WIll you still buy a GT4 if it's a 2l turbo

[MDT48]

anonymous said:

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The fact that the vast majority of Cayman R specs seem to include air con, leather and satnav kind of proves that point.

[ORD]

MDT48 said:

The fact that the vast majority of Cayman R specs seem to include air con, leather and satnav kind of proves that point.

True, but it is easy to get a bit irrational about these things. Leather is nicer and adds almost no weight, so it should be standard in even the most "basic" of sports cars. Air con is debatable but does make a car usable on hot days in traffic and at motorway speeds. Satnav is a complete waste of time, of course, but people buy the "you need it for resale" lie.

[braddo]

ORD said:

MDT48 said:

The fact that the vast majority of Cayman R specs seem to include air con, leather and satnav kind of proves that point.

True, but it is easy to get a bit irrational about these things. Leather is nicer and adds almost no weight, so it should be standard in even the most "basic" of sports cars. Air con is debatable but does make a car usable on hot days in traffic and at motorway speeds. Satnav is a complete waste of time, of course, but people buy the "you need it for resale" lie.

I disagree about the leather. Cold in winter, sticky in summer, not as grippy as cloth. Air con makes sense for any car that you're going to do long trips in and makes summer track days a lot more comfortable! A Spyder with no aircon makes sense to me, but having to drive a new Porsche on the motorway with the windows down and a sweaty back, no fking way.

Factory sat nav is apparently getting better generally (touch screens, postcode searches, live updates etc), not sure I would ever pay for it if I was buying a new car though. The sat nav in my 2007 car is just terrible.

[Trev450]

MDT48 said:

The fact that the vast majority of Cayman R specs seem to include air con, leather and satnav kind of proves that point.

Let's not forget the fact that a high number were specced by the OPC's and the more options of course raises the profit margin.

[Nurburgsingh]

FML this looks like its about to turn into the 991GT3 thread... We'll be discussing the weight of Deviated stitching next!

This is supposed to be a proper drivers car, the spiritual successor to the 968CS.

No wky extended leather.
No Spaz-nav
No rear wiper
No extended Bose sound system


Yes to Nomex fixed back seats
Yes to some additional 12V sockets
Yes to perspex rear screen

I would have said manual windows too but ever since the 996 all Porkers have been too wide to operate the passenger side without giving yourself a hernia.

[ORD]

Nurburgsingh said:

FML this looks like its about to turn into the 991GT3 thread... We'll be discussing the weight of Deviated stitching next!

This is supposed to be a proper drivers car, the spiritual successor to the 968CS.

No wky extended leather.
No Spaz-nav
No rear wiper
No extended Bose sound system


Yes to Nomex fixed back seats
Yes to some additional 12V sockets
Yes to perspex rear screen

I would have said manual windows too but ever since the 996 all Porkers have been too wide to operate the passenger side without giving yourself a hernia.

It's all about these 2kg savings in 1350kg car...

This sounds like hair shirt stuff at times - "Unless the car is made of tin foil and £7 worth of hard plastic, I am not having the full sports car experience".

This side of 1200kg, these kind of things are like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[V8KSN]

Nurburgsingh said:

FML this looks like its about to turn into the 991GT3 thread... We'll be discussing the weight of Deviated stitching next!

This is supposed to be a proper drivers car, the spiritual successor to the 968CS.

No wky extended leather.
No Spaz-nav
No rear wiper
No extended Bose sound system


Yes to Nomex fixed back seats
Yes to some additional 12V sockets
Yes to perspex rear screen

I would have said manual windows too but ever since the 996 all Porkers have been too wide to operate the passenger side without giving yourself a hernia.

While I applaud your sentiment and agree with you I dont think this will happen!

I am willing to put money on a Cayman GT4 never Ever EVER being specced like that! The world has changed, the market has moved on. There will never be a car as raw as the 996 RS from ANY mainstream manufacturer ever again......as depressing as that is, I fear its true.

[Nurburgsingh]

V8KSN said:

While I applaud your sentiment and agree with you I dont think this will happen!

I am willing to put money on a Cayman GT4 never Ever EVER being specced like that! The world has changed, the market has moved on. There will never be a car as raw as the 996 RS from ANY mainstream manufacturer ever again......as depressing as that is, I fear its true.

Yeah I know... man can dream though!... the 991GT3 has paved the way for the decline in true drivers cars. It seems everyone has forgotten the basics "To go faster - add lightness"

That said MY car will be specced as closer to a 'real' car as I can get within the confines of the Porsche Configurator.

[mollytherocker]

braddo said:

I disagree about the leather. Cold in winter, sticky in summer, not as grippy as cloth. Air con makes sense for any car that you're going to do long trips in and makes summer track days a lot more comfortable! A Spyder with no aircon makes sense to me, but having to drive a new Porsche on the motorway with the windows down and a sweaty back, no fking way.

Factory sat nav is apparently getting better generally (touch screens, postcode searches, live updates etc), not sure I would ever pay for it if I was buying a new car though. The sat nav in my 2007 car is just terrible.

I totally agree on leather. For me, it has no place in an automobile! I far prefer some nice cloth or suede.

[ORD]

mollytherocker said:

I totally agree on leather. For me, it has no place in an automobile! I far prefer some nice cloth or suede.

Suede? Are you teaching a philosophy class in it?

[mollytherocker]

ORD said:

mollytherocker said:

I totally agree on leather. For me, it has no place in an automobile! I far prefer some nice cloth or suede.

Suede? Are you teaching a philosophy class in it?

Oh yes, its called alacantra or some such nonsense these days!

[ChrisW.]

MDT48 said:

The fact that the vast majority of Cayman R specs seem to include air con, leather and satnav kind of proves that point.

Aircon is now included in many modern race cars --- the debilitation of excessive heat within a triple layer nomex suit, underwear, socks, balaclava, helmet and bare shell race car has a far more significant effect than the loss a a few BHP on the speed of most drivers.

Hence, why wear a hair shirt in a road car ?

Mine is PDK as well !!

[aelord]

ChrisW. said:

MDT48 said:

The fact that the vast majority of Cayman R specs seem to include air con, leather and satnav kind of proves that point.

Aircon is now included in many modern race cars --- the debilitation of excessive heat within a triple layer nomex suit, underwear, socks, balaclava, helmet and bare shell race car has a far more significant effect than the loss a a few BHP on the speed of most drivers.

Hence, why wear a hair shirt in a road car ?

Mine is PDK as well !!

And mine! 700 miles per week in it too.

[mrdemon]

mollytherocker said:

I totally agree on leather. For me, it has no place in an automobile! I far prefer some nice cloth .

on your dash and door cards..yuk

Leather is the only way to go for the dash and door sill tops, gives the car a quality feel to it.
If I wanted plastic I would have stayed with my Lotus

[shoestring7]

mrdemon said:

mollytherocker said:

I totally agree on leather. For me, it has no place in an automobile! I far prefer some nice cloth .

on your dash and door cards..yuk

Leather is the only way to go for the dash and door sill tops, gives the car a quality feel to it.
If I wanted plastic I would have stayed with my Lotus

I've no idea why anyone thinks you need cow-skin on the walls and floor for a quality feel. There are plenty of technical fabrics and materials that would do the job just as well. The chap sitting in the back of this didn't have leather - he left that for the hired help up front:




SS7

[franki68]

BubblesNW said:

This month's copy of Car magazine has a feature on the most wanted cars for 2015 and claims the Cayman GT4 has a turbo 3.8 producing 450bhp. Georg Kacher is normally very close to Porsche but not this time.

As the current n/a 3.8 produced over 400bhp with the power kit option adding a turbo to get 450bhp seems totally inaccurate - one would expect 550 plus if you look at other turbocharges engines. Audi claim 434bhp for the new 2.5 litre RS3 and 454bhp for the 2.5 litre TTRS. I really can't see Porsche putting more power in a GT4 than the GT3.

It just goes to show that nobody really knows what to expect for the GT4 - only time will tell.

My wish list is normally aspirated, manual or PDK option and 370 - 400bhp would be just fine. Bucket and club sport as a no cost option would be nice. Hydraulic steering and sub 1200kg are unlikely but here's hoping ...

sort of matches up to what the opc salesman told me,when i ordered it the salesman had just come back from germany for some training or something and told me he was was told by a Porsche engineer it was going to be the 3.8 engine from the carrera.

[mrdemon]

so that's the 4th insider 100% sure post !!!!

1: ecu tuned 3.4
2: 3.6 NA with 380 bhp
3: 3.8 NA from the 991
4: 4 pot turbo from any where 200bhp to 450 bhp lol at the 450bhp as the 2.5l 4 pot is said to do 380Bhp.

All these insiders need to get the story straight, as imo it's pie in the sky.

[hondansx]

Porsche must bloody love it; people frothing at the mouths about this non existent car!

[hondansx]

V8KSN said:

Nurburgsingh said:

FML this looks like its about to turn into the 991GT3 thread... We'll be discussing the weight of Deviated stitching next!

This is supposed to be a proper drivers car, the spiritual successor to the 968CS.

No wky extended leather.
No Spaz-nav
No rear wiper
No extended Bose sound system


Yes to Nomex fixed back seats
Yes to some additional 12V sockets
Yes to perspex rear screen

I would have said manual windows too but ever since the 996 all Porkers have been too wide to operate the passenger side without giving yourself a hernia.

While I applaud your sentiment and agree with you I dont think this will happen!

I am willing to put money on a Cayman GT4 never Ever EVER being specced like that! The world has changed, the market has moved on. There will never be a car as raw as the 996 RS from ANY mainstream manufacturer ever again......as depressing as that is, I fear its true.

I've tried to find an M3 CSL with no options (sans air con, radio and xenons) and failed. Starting to think one doesn't exist. Considering the CSL was built in 2003 (where's that 11 years gone!), it's not that recent a phenomenon.

Accept that people on PH are in the minority of not only drivers as a whole, but the enthusiast market too. I know plenty of people who are fans of cars without being die-hard enthusiasts. Think about the number of GT3 adverts that proudly say "never taken on track..."

The reality is a lot of the noise on PH is from people who won't buy such cars; they are idealists; dreamers. I feel sorry for Toyota/Subaru, who built the GT86 - the purist's car - believing there was a market that is much bigger than there actually is, thanks to bell ends on websites like PH.

[mrdemon]

forums are always full of "I'll buy it people"

It is a bit annoying.

IF people want a hard core Cayman though buy a Cayman R with no AC etc which can be had much cheaper, and mono ball the bugger.

you can get the car to 1250kg and 365bhp with ease and monoball sus bits, how hard core do you dreamers want it.

if they make a hard core Cayman GT4 there are about 3 buyers for it.

Again I have put my money where my mouth is and just over hauled the Spyder with solid mounts, engine mounts and Monoball toe arms etc.
it's quite a awesome drive now and you do it roof off ;-)

you don't have to buy £120k GT3's or wait for £85k (disappointing) GT4's to drive the best drivers cars available, £40k and £5k worth of tweaks will give you driving heaven.

Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 15th October 15:27