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Klippie said:
It does appear that Porsche have made the 718 sports exhaust (maybe the normal one too) deliberately loud. The turbo Carrera S I drove was also similarly noisy (and my only real criticism of that engine). Personally I only really want to hear the exhaust when accelerating briskly or blipping the throttle on a downchange, I don't want it droning away on the motorway, or marking me out as a boy racer when I'm going down to the shops. Porsche911R said:
the GY F1 A are a nice tyre have them on my new R as it happens was a nice surprise as I would have thrown the P zeros away the same day !!! really enjoying how the F1 are working
Good to get some feedback you on the GY F1 a's. I have to have N rated as I'm in warranty and currently have PS2's. Nothing wrong with them but the GY are quite a bit cheaper and also lighter so I was thinking of swapping once the front or tears get to 3mm.Sorry OP, off topic.
Porsche911R said:
I want to like it as I wanted a Boxster 981 for a daily, and borrowed yet another one for 1/2 a day,(must be my 10th drive now) I could not live with the steering and I really wanted to think it was just a bad memory, but it's unforgivable lol.
the GY F1 A are a nice tyre have them on my new R as it happens was a nice surprise as I would have thrown the P zeros away the same day !!! really enjoying how the F1 are working.
every one knows what they like and if I bought a normal 981 it would last 3 months at best before it board me to death !
As others have said, the 718 is now a bigger car than the 987.2, it has electric steering and now a 4 pot, it's hold zero interest to me at the new price point.
When I bought my TTS the steering WAS shocking. When I bought my E46 330ci ten years ago the steering WAS shocking.the GY F1 A are a nice tyre have them on my new R as it happens was a nice surprise as I would have thrown the P zeros away the same day !!! really enjoying how the F1 are working.
every one knows what they like and if I bought a normal 981 it would last 3 months at best before it board me to death !
As others have said, the 718 is now a bigger car than the 987.2, it has electric steering and now a 4 pot, it's hold zero interest to me at the new price point.
But... when I changed the TTS tyres from the original Toyo Proxes to GY F1 A2s it improved no end, as did the ride comfort.
Same with the BMW - the Bridgestones it came with tried to throw me into every ditch, but switching to Conti SC3s solved the issue immediately.
I wonder how much of "poor ride" or "poor steering" is down to the manufacturer's choice of whatever tyre happens to be around at the time? When you borrowed the Boxster, did you take note of what tyres it was wearing? P Zeros do seem to be prevalent, and... crap! My fronts went back to Pirelli as they were cracking up in the treads at 50% wear (19k miles) and they kindly sent me a cheque for the full price of the Goodyear replacements, £298. Great customer service, but rubbish tyres.
It's odd you dislike the 981 so much as all the reviews mention the steering, saying it's not quite as direct, but still say it's a great car.
You must really love your 987 and being an R would make it an unfair comparison to a base 981. Have you compared it to the GT4?
Was the 987R ever a winner of ECOTY?
Edited by DJMC on Thursday 7th April 11:59
Porsche911R said:
I want to like it as I wanted a Boxster 981 for a daily, and borrowed yet another one for 1/2 a day,(must be my 10th drive now) I could not live with the steering and I really wanted to think it was just a bad memory, but it's unforgivable lol.
the GY F1 A are a nice tyre have them on my new R as it happens was a nice surprise as I would have thrown the P zeros away the same day !!! really enjoying how the F1 are working.
every one knows what they like and if I bought a normal 981 it would last 3 months at best before it board me to death !
As others have said, the 718 is now a bigger car than the 987.2, it has electric steering and now a 4 pot, it's hold zero interest to me at the new price point.
Had you a TT as a daily? As comprimised as the 981 steering is, is it not better than the TT? Maybe different price points I know. the GY F1 A are a nice tyre have them on my new R as it happens was a nice surprise as I would have thrown the P zeros away the same day !!! really enjoying how the F1 are working.
every one knows what they like and if I bought a normal 981 it would last 3 months at best before it board me to death !
As others have said, the 718 is now a bigger car than the 987.2, it has electric steering and now a 4 pot, it's hold zero interest to me at the new price point.
Thats a genuine question & not a "dig" by the way!
ags11 said:
Had you a TT as a daily? As comprimised as the 981 steering is, is it not better than the TT? Maybe different price points I know.
Thats a genuine question & not a "dig" by the way!
My TTS was a DD, and the 981 is too. I think there are many other reasons to prefer the 981 to the 987 as a daily. That's why I didn't buy a 987. Mainly due to the "old" interior and that, at 6' 1" I didn't really fit in it comfortably.Thats a genuine question & not a "dig" by the way!
Buying an R suggests a more performance oriented attitude which would lean toward having to have prefect steering feel, whereas I'm perhaps older and mostly like to cruise around, with my PASM and comfy 14 way seats? ;-)
ras62 said:
When was the last time a new Porsche was so poorly received? I've not seen 5 stars awarded in any test so far. Can the Porsche badge justify a little four pot costing over £60k with a few options? A 4* car with 5* pricing.
I wonder whether they thought that by pricing it higher than the last one that they could steer their customers into thinking, "it costs more so it must be a lot better"? And I also wonder if they couldn't face reducing the price of the forthcoming 718 Cayman in order to place it below the rag top, so ended up raising the price of the boxster much more than they normally would when introducing the replacement model. They seem to have scored a few home goals this time!boxsey said:
Oh, and this is the first time I've received a reminder that I haven't taken up the offer to go to the local launch of the 718. I might decide to go now because I've got a feeling that there will be a lot of free food because no one is going to it! 
That's why I'm going on the 22nd! Maybe a free pen too!?
ags11 said:
Had you a TT as a daily? As comprimised as the 981 steering is, is it not better than the TT? Maybe different price points I know.
Thats a genuine question & not a "dig" by the way!
I bought a TTS as a winter sThats a genuine question & not a "dig" by the way!
tter yes, it did it's job over winter and has now gone, it was also DSG, it was what it was and saved 6k miles on the GT4 in crap weather.I was never going to run the GT4 though the winter as a daily so for £20k wanted a fast 4WD car with heated seats and being a turbo went DSG also to stop the lag.
It was nothing to me, just a s
tter and I never washed it once.I act like TT's it's my 3rd one and they make great a daily imo will prob get the mk3 TTRS
finestjammy said:
Good to get some feedback you on the GY F1 a's. I have to have N rated as I'm in warranty and currently have PS2's. Nothing wrong with them but the GY are quite a bit cheaper and also lighter so I was thinking of swapping once the front or tears get to 3mm.
Sorry OP, off topic.
Henry likes them too, on the GTS: https://youtu.be/2MkpTyMNV8E?t=159Sorry OP, off topic.
Porsche911R said:
I bought a TTS as a winter stter yes, it did it's job over winter and has now gone, it was also DSG, it was what it was and saved 6k miles on the GT4 in crap weather.
I was never going to run the GT4 though the winter as a daily so for £20k wanted a fast 4WD car with heated seats and being a turbo went DSG also to stop the lag.
It was nothing to me, just a stter and I never washed it once.
I act like TT's it's my 3rd one and they make great a daily imo will prob get the mk3 TTRS
So, as a fairer comparison, you decide to go out for a blast on a lovely sunny, dry, day. Do you take the 987R or the GT4?tter yes, it did it's job over winter and has now gone, it was also DSG, it was what it was and saved 6k miles on the GT4 in crap weather.I was never going to run the GT4 though the winter as a daily so for £20k wanted a fast 4WD car with heated seats and being a turbo went DSG also to stop the lag.
It was nothing to me, just a s
tter and I never washed it once.I act like TT's it's my 3rd one and they make great a daily imo will prob get the mk3 TTRS
My TTS was also DSG. Still noticed the lag. I guess it was an OK DD but I wanted to get back to combining DD and fun car into one.
The 981 ticks all the boxes for me here. Another turbo car would be OK for a DD, but no fun based on the TTS experience. 4WD was also partly to blame there. Not right on a "sporty" car.
bcr5784 said:
It does appear that Porsche have made the 718 sports exhaust (maybe the normal one too) deliberately loud. The turbo Carrera S I drove was also similarly noisy (and my only real criticism of that engine). Personally I only really want to hear the exhaust when accelerating briskly or blipping the throttle on a downchange, I don't want it droning away on the motorway, or marking me out as a boy racer when I'm going down to the shops.
Mate, I think you may be a bit exhaust noise sensitive 
I drove the 991.2S with sports exhaust and it was dead quiet IMO 
actually from memory I think you've mentioned you tend to prefer quieter zorsts in other threads, so makes sense 
finestjammy said:
I have a 987.2 S and have driven a 981 for a few days whilst some warranty work was being completed. I agree, the 981 steering is far from 'shocking'. It's nicely weighted and very responsive. You don't get the feedback of the 987.2 though. Some people will prefer the 981 steering though as it irons out the bumps more and won't writhe in your hand as much as the 987.2. I love the steering on mine, but the 981 setup wouldn't put me off buying one. A four pot turbo, now that's an entirely different thread 
Me too. 981 steering could be improved, and it's a world away from the steering on my old 7GT3, but having test driven a box and Cayman before ordering my BGTS, I decided it wasn't the end of the world given the rest of the package on offer. 4 pot turbo on the other hand is likely a complete deal breaker for me for a 718. Although I will reserve final judgment until I try one. Not looking good though considering I wasn't enamoured with the 991.2's 6 pot turbo Mario149 said:
Mate, I think you may be a bit exhaust noise sensitive I drove the 991.2S with sports exhaust and it was dead quiet IMO actually from memory I think you've mentioned you tend to prefer quieter zorsts in other threads, so makes sense
True - but the 991S is MUCH noisier than my 981S - my wife thought it dreadfully noisy (she does overstate things a bit..) but fact is that the 991.2 S is much noisier than the NA 991.1S - which I've also driven - and from what the road tests say the 981.2 is noisier than the 981.1. I doubt it's a coincidence. I drove the 991.2S with sports exhaust and it was dead quiet IMO actually from memory I think you've mentioned you tend to prefer quieter zorsts in other threads, so makes sense Hmmm, that doesn't fit with my experience. I got out of the 991.2 S with PSE and drove straight home in my 981 BGTS with PSE, the latter sounded like satan gargling compared to the muted noise from the 911 inside the cabin. I get the feeling that the 991.2 and 718 sound a lot louder from the outside than from the inside. I think that the the turbo lumps are also a bit louder at low revs, but not at high revs
DJMC said:
When I bought my TTS the steering WAS shocking. When I bought my E46 330ci ten years ago the steering WAS shocking.
But... when I changed the TTS tyres from the original Toyo Proxes to GY F1 A2s it improved no end, as did the ride comfort.
Same with the BMW - the Bridgestones it came with tried to throw me into every ditch, but switching to Conti SC3s solved the issue immediately.
I wonder how much of "poor ride" or "poor steering" is down to the manufacturer's choice of whatever tyre happens to be around at the time? When you borrowed the Boxster, did you take note of what tyres it was wearing? P Zeros do seem to be prevalent, and... crap! My fronts went back to Pirelli as they were cracking up in the treads at 50% wear (19k miles) and they kindly sent me a cheque for the full price of the Goodyear replacements, £298. Great customer service, but rubbish tyres.
It's odd you dislike the 981 so much as all the reviews mention the steering, saying it's not quite as direct, but still say it's a great car.
You must really love your 987 and being an R would make it an unfair comparison to a base 981. Have you compared it to the GT4?
Was the 987R ever a winner of ECOTY?
I don't think anyone would argue that the 981 is a better performer than the 987, but it lost much of the feel and "go kart-yness" of the 987, and that makes the 987 more fun for me to drive, slower or not. You can't remove the mechanical connections between the steering wheel and wheels and expect it to have the same feel. Interestingly, the 718 seems to be taking an even larger step in that direction by killing it in the performance department at the expense of fun.But... when I changed the TTS tyres from the original Toyo Proxes to GY F1 A2s it improved no end, as did the ride comfort.
Same with the BMW - the Bridgestones it came with tried to throw me into every ditch, but switching to Conti SC3s solved the issue immediately.
I wonder how much of "poor ride" or "poor steering" is down to the manufacturer's choice of whatever tyre happens to be around at the time? When you borrowed the Boxster, did you take note of what tyres it was wearing? P Zeros do seem to be prevalent, and... crap! My fronts went back to Pirelli as they were cracking up in the treads at 50% wear (19k miles) and they kindly sent me a cheque for the full price of the Goodyear replacements, £298. Great customer service, but rubbish tyres.
It's odd you dislike the 981 so much as all the reviews mention the steering, saying it's not quite as direct, but still say it's a great car.
You must really love your 987 and being an R would make it an unfair comparison to a base 981. Have you compared it to the GT4?
Was the 987R ever a winner of ECOTY?
Edited by DJMC on Thursday 7th April 11:59
Ultimately, I just think it's a kick for some of us 987 drivers to so many 981 drivers complaining about the 718, when many of us have been saying the same about the 981, albeit to a lesser degree.
bcr5784 said:
Just to complete the info. Both the 991s I drove were cabs with PSE - and I'm referring to the noise with the roof UP and PSE OFF. PSE on the 991.2 seemed to make surprisingly little difference, but I only put it on briefly. My 981S doesn't have PSE.
My loan car today was a Boxster 981 2.7 with PSE. What a constant drone at 1600 - 3000 RPM! Gave me a headache after some dual carriageway/motorway driving. Roof up all the time. And pressing the PSE button while at a steady speed made no difference to the droning, either way it's monotonous.
Blasting away from the lights with the windows open gave a momentary spurt of fun loudness, but I think I'd soon tire of it.
Boys' toys I guess, and I'm no longer one.
Edited by DJMC on Friday 8th April 22:22
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