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bcr5784 said:
Are you sensibly suggesting that at 40 mph you would drop into first to overtake? Really? The problem is that the gaps between the ratios are simply too big.
I don't think overtaking a car travelling at 40mph in 2nd gear will be the challenge you imagine in a car with 400hp
Whole gearing argument is odd to me... all these cars are too fast to drive hair on fire on the road... so you have to just drive to the conditions and limits. Short shift to enjoy the mid range.. if you want to experience go somewhere that allows it legally and safely.
If you can't accept that, you're using the wrong car for the wrong purpose. Reving out a car on the road can only be done in a VW Up or Boggo Fiesta, or Sandero, whilst not putting your license at risk. For everything else... you are flirting with a choice to break the law... its up to you.
People talk like that have to use every rev to get the best out of a car or make good pace on the road...
If you can't accept that, you're using the wrong car for the wrong purpose. Reving out a car on the road can only be done in a VW Up or Boggo Fiesta, or Sandero, whilst not putting your license at risk. For everything else... you are flirting with a choice to break the law... its up to you.
People talk like that have to use every rev to get the best out of a car or make good pace on the road...
TDT said:
Whole gearing argument is odd to me... all these cars are too fast to drive hair on fire on the road... so you have to just drive to the conditions and limits. Short shift to enjoy the mid range.. if you want to experience go somewhere that allows it legally and safely.
If you can't accept that, you're using the wrong car for the wrong purpose. Reving out a car on the road can only be done in a VW Up or Boggo Fiesta, or Sandero, whilst not putting your license at risk. For everything else... you are flirting with a choice to break the law... its up to you.
People talk like that have to use every rev to get the best out of a car or make good pace on the road...
+1If you can't accept that, you're using the wrong car for the wrong purpose. Reving out a car on the road can only be done in a VW Up or Boggo Fiesta, or Sandero, whilst not putting your license at risk. For everything else... you are flirting with a choice to break the law... its up to you.
People talk like that have to use every rev to get the best out of a car or make good pace on the road...
I totally agree, in the manual you get the joy of the mechanical shift every time you change which is worth its weight in gold
130R said:
don't think overtaking a car travelling at 40mph in 2nd gear will be the challenge you imagine in a car with 400hp
Torque at those speeds is the issue. I see no reason why a 4.0 manual should be any more responsive at the speeds I am talking about than my 981S PDK was - the extra capacity simply being nullified by the higher gearing. I found the 981S to be very frustrating at that sort of speed on a B road.anonymous said:
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Not sure what point you are trying to make - but see http://www.zeperfs.com/duel5624-6621.htm. Sorry to mention the "A" word but the A110 - which is MUCH slower than a GT4 Cayman through the gears is much faster in gear in the region up to 100mph. Why? Mainly because it has much more sensible ratios. Porsche manual gearbox ratios only make any sort of sense on track (and even then they are needlessly wide). I am at a complete loss to understand that those who (quite understandably) enjoy the interaction with a manual box, defend ratios that SERIOUSLY detract from the opportunities to use the bloody thing!Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 15th July 19:41
bcr5784 said:
Not sure what point you are trying to make - but see http://www.zeperfs.com/duel5624-6621.htm. Sorry to mention the "A" word but the A110 - which is MUCH slower than a GT4 Cayman through the gears is much faster in gear in the region up to 100mph. Why? Mainly because it has much more sensible ratios. Porsche manual gearbox ratios only make any sort of sense on track (and even then they are needlessly wide). I am at a complete loss to understand that those who (quite understandably) enjoy the interaction with a manual box, defend ratios that SERIOUSLY detract from the opportunities to use the bloody thing!
The link you posted doesn't show that the A110 is faster in any increment. When the GT4 is in the wrong gear the A110 is faster but look at the minimum times (when the GT4 is in the right gear) and it's faster in every increment. That's the 981 as well, the gap with the 718 would be even bigger.Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 15th July 19:41
130R said:
he link you posted doesn't show that the A110 is faster in any increment. When the GT4 is in the wrong gear the A110 is faster but look at the minimum times (when the GT4 is in the right gear) and it's faster in every increment. That's the 981 as well, the gap with the 718 would be even bigger.
If you go through the gears - as I SAY the GT4 is faster. Use the gear you actually would on the road the A110 has the advantage. Trust me having had a 981S and an A110 the A110 feels a MUCH faster car on the road even though the 0-100mph times are similar. And it's mostly down to gear ratios. 
Gearing issue is overblown IMHO. It hasn’t negatively impacted my enjoyment of the car. It is a brilliant car. Before receiving the car I thought I would need to regear. After a few weeks with the car, no desire to do it now. I can see why Catchpole ranked it his favourite car that he drove in 2019 and if you look at some of those cars in 2019, impressive indeed.
Twinfan said:
I know madness isn't it?
I think the people criticising them are maybe those imagining or trying to drive the car with the gearing they think it should have rather than using the gearing it actually has effectively...
Why do you think that almost every road tester mentions it? They have almost certainly driven more cars than you or I have.I think the people criticising them are maybe those imagining or trying to drive the car with the gearing they think it should have rather than using the gearing it actually has effectively...
bcr5784 said:
Twinfan said:
I know madness isn't it?
I think the people criticising them are maybe those imagining or trying to drive the car with the gearing they think it should have rather than using the gearing it actually has effectively...
Why do you think that almost every road tester mentions it? They have almost certainly driven more cars than you or I have.I think the people criticising them are maybe those imagining or trying to drive the car with the gearing they think it should have rather than using the gearing it actually has effectively...
Keep on it bcrs, we're all dying to hear another 100 posts building towards how much better your car is. You've only just finished making a mess of the Lotus Evora thread. It was only a matter of time before you would turn up here to do another Johnny Depp. The disparity between your car and a GTS is the equivalent of a GTS owner jumping into every McLaren thread and declaring the McL to be inferior.
Your carry on interminably about Porsche gearing, amongst other things. You claim to be more analytical than anyone else. Well there are
tens of thousands of owners who appear to disagree with you, alongside the world's most successful sports car manufacturer.
Your carry on interminably about Porsche gearing, amongst other things. You claim to be more analytical than anyone else. Well there are
tens of thousands of owners who appear to disagree with you, alongside the world's most successful sports car manufacturer.
Neural said:
That was my second choice colour. Mine won’t be ready till later in the week due to ppf.
I will send you a photo. Mine is off to SL Restoration for detail and then front end ppf at Wombat in Matfield - Paragon and Tonbridge use them and they are very good - have done my GT3RS and 993 4S. rockin said:
Keep on it bcrs, we're all dying to hear another 100 posts building towards how much better your car is. You've only just finished making a mess of the Lotus Evora thread. It was only a matter of time before you would turn up here to do another Johnny Depp. The disparity between your car and a GTS is the equivalent of a GTS owner jumping into every McLaren thread and declaring the McL to be inferior.
Your carry on interminably about Porsche gearing, amongst other things. You claim to be more analytical than anyone else. Well there are
tens of thousands of owners who appear to disagree with you, alongside the world's most successful sports car manufacturer.
I'm not saying anything that a hundred road testers or more have been saying for years. It seems that Porsche owners are in denial. And I have NEVER said my car is better than a GTS 4.0. But the gear ratios are VASTLY better. If you actually read what I say about the Evora too you will find that I've not said that my car is better than it either - indeed I pointed out that Harry Metcalf prefers the Evora - which I perfectly understand - I even point out that the Evora has "much better steering and sounds vastly better". Your carry on interminably about Porsche gearing, amongst other things. You claim to be more analytical than anyone else. Well there are
tens of thousands of owners who appear to disagree with you, alongside the world's most successful sports car manufacturer.
You must find concentration difficult - you seem quite unable to take the contents of a whole paragraph in at once - and you certainly seem unable to take a balanced view on anything and contribute absolutely nothing of value to any thread you infect.
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