Best value for money Porsche GT car

Best value for money Porsche GT car

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TDT

4,957 posts

121 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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woollyjoe said:
Yes. That was easy.

Someone can come along and clarify, but the 991.1 GT3 engine was never used in motorsport?
No.. it wasn't officially in a race series or category.

GT4 wa though...(so which car has the non motorsport engine? I'm confused tongue out)

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

267 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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TDT said:
No.. it wasn't officially in a race series or category.

GT4 was though...(so which car has the non motorsport engine? I'm confused tongue out)
winner ;-)

Twinfan

10,125 posts

106 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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GT4 is a road engine taken to motorsport, rather than the Mezger which went the vice versa route. Claiming the GT4 engine as a motorsport engine is technically correct I guess, but seems wrong wink

Best value GT car? I agree with the other posts that say any new one at list.

TDT

4,957 posts

121 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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Twinfan said:
GT4 is a road engine taken to motorsport, rather than the Mezger which went the vice versa route. Claiming the GT4 engine as a motorsport engine is correct wink

Best value GT car? I agree with the other posts that say any new one at list.
Fixed that for you. lol, also what was raced before Mezgers? Mezgers don't have a monopoly on Porsche Motorsport.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

106 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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TDT said:
Fixed that for you. lol
laugh

I'll take place of birth over place of residence wink

I just used Mezger as an example.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

173 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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‘Value’ means different things to different people

For some ‘value’ is something cheap in which case the 996 gen 1 is the best value as it gives you a gt3 for the least cash

For others ‘value’ is about maximising the experience with only a cursory not to cost, or comparing it against other more expensive items. So a cgt that gives the full exotic supercar experience and similar exclusivity for half the price of an f40 could be seen as value

Our house was good value as it backs into a train track, but I doubt someone buying a 1 bed flat in North Allerton would think it was good value

FWIW I don’t see the cgt as a gt car, despite the name. It was not raced in the same way as the 911 variants that have their own classes despite its tenuous link to motorsport.

(It is probably the 2nd car I would buy with a lottery win however after an F12)

GT4RS

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4,466 posts

199 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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GT4RS said:
What are everyone’s thoughts on what is the best value for money Porsche GT car for sale today.

My thoughts are it’s either a 996gt3 gen 2 or the current GT4. Both look excellent value compared to others.
Seen as we have had very mixed replies please let me rephrase my question.

What GT car offers best value for money at current used prices?

TDT

4,957 posts

121 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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GT4RS said:
Seen as we have had very mixed replies please let me rephrase my question.

What GT car offers best value for money at current used prices?
As someone replied earlier... GT4 is probably the 'cheapest' GT car package at present as it offers great performance, prices are reasonably realistic and you can factor 'cheap' running costs in to the purchase price for the next 4 years min.

And older GT3 maybe cheaper or just as expensive to buy - but you will probably have additional maintenance costs to factor in as a result of the age of the car vs say a GT4, the earliest of which will have only just turned 3.

Then its just down to what kind of drive do you want. That is personal choice.

Cheib

23,345 posts

177 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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I think the GT4 is probably the best value because

- If the next GT4 is a Turbo Flat 4 the current car will become very desirable as the only naturally aspirated GT4 Porsche will ever make

- If the next GT4 is a naturally aspirated Flat 6 it will likely make the car significantly more expensive than the current car as this engine will effectively be bespoke to this car in whatever tune it's in. So current cars will look decent value either way to me.


Caveat to that is that they make a lot more GT4's than they did of the current model. I think there's a significant chance of this because there are no other GT cars in the pipeline, they now know they've got a winner and the car it's based is a volume product for Porsche so they don't have the constraints in terms of build volumes that the 911 has.

If you're looking at value I suppose one fo the things you need to look at where is a safe place for your money...which in Porsche land means low build volumes...which makes these three interesting

996.2 GT3 RS 119 UK cars
997.2 GT3 169 UK cars
997.2 GT3 RS 139 UK cars

Numbers lifted from this 911 UK thread http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=127292

I reckon a decent place for your money is a well specced 997.2 GT3 in CS trim...they've definitely come off in price.

This one is"high mileage" at 35k miles but £105k for an OPC car isn't bad value https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Or even this Hexagon car which is low miles and really well specced for £125k https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

I reckon Hexagon are feeling the squeeze at the moment....there cars are definitely more sensibly priced than normal. That car is only £8k more than this Comfort Spec that JZM have https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...





TDT

4,957 posts

121 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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Cheib said:
I think the GT4 is probably the best value because

- If the next GT4 is a Turbo Flat 4 the current car will become very desirable as the only naturally aspirated GT4 Porsche will ever make

- If the next GT4 is a naturally aspirated Flat 6 it will likely make the car significantly more expensive than the current car as this engine will effectively be bespoke to this car in whatever tune it's in. So current cars will look decent value either way to me.


Caveat to that is that they make a lot more GT4's than they did of the current model. I think there's a significant chance of this because there are no other GT cars in the pipeline, they now know they've got a winner and the car it's based is a volume product for Porsche so they don't have the constraints in terms of build volumes that the 911 has.

If you're looking at value I suppose one fo the things you need to look at where is a safe place for your money...which in Porsche land means low build volumes...which makes these three interesting

996.2 GT3 RS 119 UK cars
997.2 GT3 169 UK cars
997.2 GT3 RS 139 UK cars

Numbers lifted from this 911 UK thread http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=127292

I reckon a decent place for your money is a well specced 997.2 GT3 in CS trim...they've definitely come off in price.

This one is"high mileage" at 35k miles but £105k for an OPC car isn't bad value https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Or even this Hexagon car which is low miles and really well specced for £125k https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

I reckon Hexagon are feeling the squeeze at the moment....there cars are definitely more sensibly priced than normal. That car is only £8k more than this Comfort Spec that JZM have https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
The issue with the models you listed is that you cannot drive them if you only care about retaining monetary value in your hedge fund, i mean, car.
Which is a travesty.

So youre then better off buying a ‘high miler’ in the first place...hopefully cheaper, and then you can actually use the thing

Edited by TDT on Tuesday 31st July 20:39

Twinfan

10,125 posts

106 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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Cheib said:
Caveat to that is that they make a lot more GT4's than they did of the current model. I think there's a significant chance of this because there are no other GT cars in the pipeline, they now know they've got a winner and the car it's based is a volume product for Porsche so they don't have the constraints in terms of build volumes that the 911 has.
Pretty sure the Cayster has no more constraints in terms of build volumes than 911s do. GT products are built on the regular production lines, the only bit the GT department do is development.

I agree that Porsche will build as many GT4s and Spyders add they can though.

GT4RS

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4,466 posts

199 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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Cheib said:
I think the GT4 is probably the best value because

- If the next GT4 is a Turbo Flat 4 the current car will become very desirable as the only naturally aspirated GT4 Porsche will ever make

- If the next GT4 is a naturally aspirated Flat 6 it will likely make the car significantly more expensive than the current car as this engine will effectively be bespoke to this car in whatever tune it's in. So current cars will look decent value either way to me.


Caveat to that is that they make a lot more GT4's than they did of the current model. I think there's a significant chance of this because there are no other GT cars in the pipeline, they now know they've got a winner and the car it's based is a volume product for Porsche so they don't have the constraints in terms of build volumes that the 911 has.

If you're looking at value I suppose one fo the things you need to look at where is a safe place for your money...which in Porsche land means low build volumes...which makes these three interesting

996.2 GT3 RS 119 UK cars
997.2 GT3 169 UK cars
997.2 GT3 RS 139 UK cars

Numbers lifted from this 911 UK thread http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=127292

I reckon a decent place for your money is a well specced 997.2 GT3 in CS trim...they've definitely come off in price.

This one is"high mileage" at 35k miles but £105k for an OPC car isn't bad value https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Or even this Hexagon car which is low miles and really well specced for £125k https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

I reckon Hexagon are feeling the squeeze at the moment....there cars are definitely more sensibly priced than normal. That car is only £8k more than this Comfort Spec that JZM have https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Thank you for this reply, looking at the number you have quoted it does seem 997.2 gt3 cars look best value at the moment. I wasn’t aware so little existed in the UK. If the new gt4 is 4.0 NA as expected I think this will also prove to be very popular and there will definitely be a mad rush to get hold of one. A good used GT4 for 80k is starting to look excellent value compared to a 991.1 gt3 for 120k. Is it really 40k better?

TDT

4,957 posts

121 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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GT4RS said:
Thank you for this reply, looking at the number you have quoted it does seem 997.2 gt3 cars look best value at the moment. I wasn’t aware so little existed in the UK. If the new gt4 is 4.0 NA as expected I think this will also prove to be very popular and there will definitely be a mad rush to get hold of one. A good used GT4 for 80k is starting to look excellent value compared to a 991.1 gt3 for 120k. Is it really 40k better?
Most people will buy this on finance, so it’s really a question of is it £200, £400 or £600 extra a month better than a GT4 for 6months or a year and then they’ll move on anyway. Factor in the servicing costs and depreciation.... might not turn out to be quite £40k.
But that’s they kind of maths many people apply for a purchase like this. They’re toys.

GT4RS

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4,466 posts

199 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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TDT said:
GT4RS said:
Thank you for this reply, looking at the number you have quoted it does seem 997.2 gt3 cars look best value at the moment. I wasn’t aware so little existed in the UK. If the new gt4 is 4.0 NA as expected I think this will also prove to be very popular and there will definitely be a mad rush to get hold of one. A good used GT4 for 80k is starting to look excellent value compared to a 991.1 gt3 for 120k. Is it really 40k better?
Most people will buy this on finance, so it’s really a question of is it £200, £400 or £600 extra a month better than a GT4 for 6months or a year and then they’ll move on anyway. Factor in the servicing costs and depreciation.... might not turn out to be quite £40k.
But that’s they kind of maths many people apply for a purchase like this. They’re toys.
Wouldn’t of thought many bought these type of cars on finance due to them being mostly second cars.

Cheib

23,345 posts

177 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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Twinfan said:
Cheib said:
Caveat to that is that they make a lot more GT4's than they did of the current model. I think there's a significant chance of this because there are no other GT cars in the pipeline, they now know they've got a winner and the car it's based is a volume product for Porsche so they don't have the constraints in terms of build volumes that the 911 has.
Pretty sure the Cayster has no more constraints in terms of build volumes than 911s do. GT products are built on the regular production lines, the only bit the GT department do is development.

I agree that Porsche will build as many GT4s and Spyders add they can though.
I was totally wrong about this. I thought Porsche made significantly more Cayster's than 911's....certainly that's the impression from most OPC showrooms! Looking at Porsche AG's production they make less! They made 32k 911's and 25k Cayster's. That's amazed me!

Cheib

23,345 posts

177 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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TDT said:
The issue with the models you listed is that you cannot drive them if you only care about retaining monetary value in your hedge fund, i mean, car.
Which is a travesty.

So youre then better off buying a ‘high miler’ in the first place...hopefully cheaper, and then you can actually use the thing

Edited by TDT on Tuesday 31st July 20:39
I think that 35k mile OPC car can be driven without you losing your arse on it. It's the cheapest CS car there is.

TDT

4,957 posts

121 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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GT4RS said:
Wouldn’t of thought many bought these type of cars on finance due to them being mostly second cars.
You’d be surprised I reckon... but anyway... don’t want to derail.

arcamalpha

1,076 posts

166 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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I think there are deals to be had on these cars too - esp 997 GT3s. When I sold mine last year they were advertising at £110k and were offering me £80k trade.

With the market slow as it is now I reckon you’d be in a great buying position. I’d be offering £10k under at end of month and waiting for them to bite.

GT4RS

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Tuesday 31st July 2018
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arcamalpha said:
I think there are deals to be had on these cars too - esp 997 GT3s. When I sold mine last year they were advertising at £110k and were offering me £80k trade.

With the market slow as it is now I reckon you’d be in a great buying position. I’d be offering £10k under at end of month and waiting for them to bite.
That’s some spread between trade and retail!

If that’s what they would offer trade it wouldn’t make it good value considering you can expect to take a 30k bath the second you drive off in it.

DJMC

3,449 posts

105 months

Tuesday 31st July 2018
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Apparently the Cayman is a sports car, not a GT. That title belongs to the 911...

https://www.evo.co.uk/features/20601/best-gt-cars-...

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