986 or mk3 mx5

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kurokawa

589 posts

110 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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never have a boxer,
use to own NC 3.75 and S2000 AP2
MX-5 and S2000 is very different car despite they are both 2 seat soft top roadster

the good about NC MX-5:
It is cheap to run, and cheap to mod and cheap to find parts.
great fun to drive, you can feel the car is communicating with you, and the steering feedback is awesome, and it is a great daily drive
the Roadster coupe in my opinion is so much better than the soft top, it is stylish, good insulation, and not over engineer (unlike my E93 which leak after 3 years of ownership)

the bad about NC MX-5:
it is not fast,
rust is still an issue for NC
the interior might look old, it is the first generation of Zoom Zoom, it look old 10 years ago, and it wasnt at top quality either
the hydraulic steering is a little bit "slow" in vigorous driving

the S2000 is a totally different machine, and what good about it:
vtec, you can feel and hear the change, and it is amazing
it got a sharper steering than NC, FD3S is the only thing I have ever driven that would beat S2000 in this category
it have an fan culture, the value stay strong, i bought mine for 9K and sold it for 10k in the same year
2.0L NA producing over 200HP

the bad things about S2000:
there are literally no usable power at low rev, making it very painful in traffic,
seized bushes due to rust is an issue have to aware of when looking for used
the insulation is as poor as soft top NC
and it suffer from the same issue as other electric steering, the feedback is relatively numb

Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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Am I the only one that suffers from petrol head undecideness? This is getting tough.

Thanks everyone so far for the brilliant feedback. And just to add a bit of info to what context im buying a car in, it's to use in france as a daily driver. So I think, I wouldn't have any problems with Euro 4 legislations, and if that were to ever come up I could easily sell it again for a small loss, as there's a bit of an appetite for the cheaper rhd interesting cars. PS the 986 im interested in is a non s LHD, so hence why I'm more interested in it than an S.

Now, thank you to the person that had the brilliant idea of showing me that v220- I'm a sucker for the looks, and I'm tempted for an example I found within budget (barely). Still wondering whether it's a good idea as my only car, but I'm 26 so I might as well have a crazy ish car now. Seems light on consummables and fuel too! Wonder if it's too edgy handling wise.

Porsche 944- interesting car, especially me being a Porsche fan. Practical, and heard it drives well, I even like the looks of it, just think that the price I'd pay for one in a ready to go condition would be better spent on something more recent. Could be wrong though!

Cmoose, thanks as well for the suggestions, gives me a better picture as to what I should expect from the 986s. As much as I want one, I think I've decided that it's not worth me playing the lottery by buying a 986 that may or may not have been looked after. Another time perhaps frown Z4 is seriously tempting because its incredibly sexy in coupe form, and that engine..Oh God. Reckon it'd be hard on consummables?

Seems like its s2000, mx5 mk3, vx220 or Z4.

Dammit.

I'll try and drive a few cars before buying, seems like it's the only way.

Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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kurokawa said:
never have a boxer,
use to own NC 3.75 and S2000 AP2
MX-5 and S2000 is very different car despite they are both 2 seat soft top roadster

the good about NC MX-5:
It is cheap to run, and cheap to mod and cheap to find parts.
great fun to drive, you can feel the car is communicating with you, and the steering feedback is awesome, and it is a great daily drive
the Roadster coupe in my opinion is so much better than the soft top, it is stylish, good insulation, and not over engineer (unlike my E93 which leak after 3 years of ownership)

the bad about NC MX-5:
it is not fast,
rust is still an issue for NC
the interior might look old, it is the first generation of Zoom Zoom, it look old 10 years ago, and it wasnt at top quality either
the hydraulic steering is a little bit "slow" in vigorous driving

the S2000 is a totally different machine, and what good about it:
vtec, you can feel and hear the change, and it is amazing
it got a sharper steering than NC, FD3S is the only thing I have ever driven that would beat S2000 in this category
it have an fan culture, the value stay strong, i bought mine for 9K and sold it for 10k in the same year
2.0L NA producing over 200HP

the bad things about S2000:
there are literally no usable power at low rev, making it very painful in traffic,
seized bushes due to rust is an issue have to aware of when looking for used
the insulation is as poor as soft top NC
and it suffer from the same issue as other electric steering, the feedback is relatively numb
So would you still think of the s2000 as a quality car, because it lacks steering feedback? It seems quite important when you're hustling down some b roads and on track, or not really?
I dont mind if a car is not that fast, it's mostly to have fun and enjoy (speed is an added bonus of course, or else I'd just get a Suzuki cappucino)



Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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anonymous said:
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I'm close to Lyon, and even then from what I've read it's not nearly as stringent as in Paris. Lyon, if I read it right, only limits cars is case of excess pollution levels, unlike Paris that no longer allows pre 96 petrol cars and pre 2005 diesel cars. Should be ok.
http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/countries-mainmen...

kurokawa

589 posts

110 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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Loafers92 said:
So would you still think of the s2000 as a quality car, because it lacks steering feedback? It seems quite important when you're hustling down some b roads and on track, or not really?
I dont mind if a car is not that fast, it's mostly to have fun and enjoy (speed is an added bonus of course, or else I'd just get a Suzuki cappucino)
The best would really go test it yourself, for some twisty B road I would prefer a NC, it is not fast and significant more body roll than S2000 but those low-mod speed corner with the steering feel of NC is really amazing

The steering on NC is like running on your bare foot, you can feel every stone every detail of the road, while S2000 would be like in s shoe in comparison. It is still better than many electric steering, just not as "unfiltered" as the hydraulic you found on NC, and this is also one of the reason I found the rest MX-5 a bit disappointing

chilistrucker

4,541 posts

153 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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Loafers92 said:
Am I the only one that suffers from petrol head undecideness? This is getting tough.

Thanks everyone so far for the brilliant feedback. And just to add a bit of info to what context im buying a car in, it's to use in france as a daily driver. So I think, I wouldn't have any problems with Euro 4 legislations, and if that were to ever come up I could easily sell it again for a small loss, as there's a bit of an appetite for the cheaper rhd interesting cars. PS the 986 im interested in is a non s LHD, so hence why I'm more interested in it than an S.

Now, thank you to the person that had the brilliant idea of showing me that v220- I'm a sucker for the looks, and I'm tempted for an example I found within budget (barely). Still wondering whether it's a good idea as my only car, but I'm 26 so I might as well have a crazy ish car now. Seems light on consummables and fuel too! Wonder if it's too edgy handling wise.

Porsche 944- interesting car, especially me being a Porsche fan. Practical, and heard it drives well, I even like the looks of it, just think that the price I'd pay for one in a ready to go condition would be better spent on something more recent. Could be wrong though!

Cmoose, thanks as well for the suggestions, gives me a better picture as to what I should expect from the 986s. As much as I want one, I think I've decided that it's not worth me playing the lottery by buying a 986 that may or may not have been looked after. Another time perhaps frown Z4 is seriously tempting because its incredibly sexy in coupe form, and that engine..Oh God. Reckon it'd be hard on consummables?

Seems like its s2000, mx5 mk3, vx220 or Z4.

Dammit.

I'll try and drive a few cars before buying, seems like it's the only way.
You are not alone cool I'm in a similar boat myself so have just read the last couple of pages with interest. My budget is 8k tops for a weekend car and have also thought of x amount away per month for just in case moments. I've never had a convertible so would like to scratch the itch. I'm not worried about big top speeds as I fancy more of a country roads type car, although would be up for the odd track day if the car I end up with is suitable.


My list is MK3 MX5, 986/987 Boxster, either engine size, and a Z4 although not done enough research on these just yet, reading posts here it seems the 3.0 may be the 1 to get?


Went to view 2 MX5's today but the better 1 had sadly sold just before I arrived and the other 1 was no where near as good as it looked online, but I'm guessing this may happen a fair bit.


Viewing a 987, 2.7 Boxster next weekend which from the photos looks very nice and seems to have been properly cared for and is a friend of a friends kind of thing, so hoping it is worth the trip.


I'm sure like yourself I will continue to scratch my head and constantly weigh up the pros and cons, the only thing I know for sure is that what ever 1 I end with, I expect lots of hairdresser/midlife crisis quotes from certain friends, people at work etc. Fortunately I couldn't give a rats arse as I'm buying this for me wink

ooid

4,147 posts

102 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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You need to go out and drive these options, than decide with driving fun + your personal budget. In my opinion (might be bias), boxster (986) is the most fun car among them.. It is a proper mid-engine, flat 6 porsche. However, it does cost a lot to maintain, many people might now argue the other way around but no fellas, I've owned one for more than 5 years..some years no expense, some years big expenses.. They are also at the age now, which can bring many hard to diagnose faults (see forums, full of mysterious mis-fire and cooling issues). Go out, drive a few and than decide.. You might even find a low-mile, well-looked after one with good price, who knows?

I would also agree with Z4 option (even z3). They are much reliable, and parts are cheaper and easy to maintain unlike boxster, flat 6 engine position is not easy to work on..

ATM

18,395 posts

221 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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I think you have to really want a Porsche to buy one of these older Boxster. I carefully chose a 996 with recent engine rebuild, recent all new suspension, recent clutch and rads etc etc and then I still spent about 6500 in a 4 month period on required servicing and stuff breaking. I even tried selling the car and got no interest at all. It seems no one wants these cars unless they're so cheap they're not worth selling. So you need to really want a Porsche and you need to be prepared to spend a lot if you dont tackle jobs yourself and you need to be prepared for the car being worth very little when you try to sell.

See my thread here

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

ATM

18,395 posts

221 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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anonymous said:
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Yeah I don't think it's typical - nothing I do ever is. I'm just telling my experience so people can make up their mind if they use that information or whatever other info they have.

Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Tuesday 8th January 2019
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chilistrucker said:
Loafers92 said:
Am I the only one that suffers from petrol head undecideness? This is getting tough.

Thanks everyone so far for the brilliant feedback. And just to add a bit of info to what context im buying a car in, it's to use in france as a daily driver. So I think, I wouldn't have any problems with Euro 4 legislations, and if that were to ever come up I could easily sell it again for a small loss, as there's a bit of an appetite for the cheaper rhd interesting cars. PS the 986 im interested in is a non s LHD, so hence why I'm more interested in it than an S.

Now, thank you to the person that had the brilliant idea of showing me that v220- I'm a sucker for the looks, and I'm tempted for an example I found within budget (barely). Still wondering whether it's a good idea as my only car, but I'm 26 so I might as well have a crazy ish car now. Seems light on consummables and fuel too! Wonder if it's too edgy handling wise.

Porsche 944- interesting car, especially me being a Porsche fan. Practical, and heard it drives well, I even like the looks of it, just think that the price I'd pay for one in a ready to go condition would be better spent on something more recent. Could be wrong though!

Cmoose, thanks as well for the suggestions, gives me a better picture as to what I should expect from the 986s. As much as I want one, I think I've decided that it's not worth me playing the lottery by buying a 986 that may or may not have been looked after. Another time perhaps frown Z4 is seriously tempting because its incredibly sexy in coupe form, and that engine..Oh God. Reckon it'd be hard on consummables?

Seems like its s2000, mx5 mk3, vx220 or Z4.

Dammit.

I'll try and drive a few cars before buying, seems like it's the only way.
You are not alone cool I'm in a similar boat myself so have just read the last couple of pages with interest. My budget is 8k tops for a weekend car and have also thought of x amount away per month for just in case moments. I've never had a convertible so would like to scratch the itch. I'm not worried about big top speeds as I fancy more of a country roads type car, although would be up for the odd track day if the car I end up with is suitable.


My list is MK3 MX5, 986/987 Boxster, either engine size, and a Z4 although not done enough research on these just yet, reading posts here it seems the 3.0 may be the 1 to get?


Went to view 2 MX5's today but the better 1 had sadly sold just before I arrived and the other 1 was no where near as good as it looked online, but I'm guessing this may happen a fair bit.


Viewing a 987, 2.7 Boxster next weekend which from the photos looks very nice and seems to have been properly cared for and is a friend of a friends kind of thing, so hoping it is worth the trip.


I'm sure like yourself I will continue to scratch my head and constantly weigh up the pros and cons, the only thing I know for sure is that what ever 1 I end with, I expect lots of hairdresser/midlife crisis quotes from certain friends, people at work etc. Fortunately I couldn't give a rats arse as I'm buying this for me wink
Exactly what Ive been going through!
How did the viewing go? smile

Ps. Those people are just envious that you are able to do something fun and enjoyable smile

Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Tuesday 8th January 2019
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ATM, thanks for the input. Even putting aside a fund per month, I’m genuinely scared of ending up with a paperweight if something goes wrong and not being able to sell it.

..that said however, If anyone in London knows their flat 6 stuff, and wants to check out a car for me (I’m in France so I can’t unfortunately fly down to see one car on the basis of a phone call with the dealer and photos), I’d much much much appreciate it. I wanted to get a PPI done but only found a service asking 400 pounds, it’s a bit too much for me.


As of test drives, I did 4 hours on a bus/train today to view a mk3 mx5: a 2.0 with the 5 speed, 55k miles, and a soft top in a bit of a sorry state (purely cosmetical though. Will try to post pictures)

And it was...

...ok? Only managed to drive it on the highway for a bit, and 5 Mins down a bumpy broad with some traffic, so I couldn’t really get much of a picture. It had some sort of “cobalt” back box, which to me is just a waste of money, made it loud at WOT and not much else. Michelin pilot sport 3 tires though, and a new clutch around 7k miles ago.

The 5 speed was a bit notchy even while warm, and brakes were ok, nothing amazing, it will probably need pads in the next 5k miles. Power wasn’t amazing, It feels like it needs to be properly thrashed on to get some acceleration out of it, not bad of
Course! Just expected a bit more of 160hp in a 1100 kg car. Steering was ok, even if at crawling speeds it made a small grinding noise, owner said it’s normal but it could be something playing up in steering rack? It was a bit crashy, it didn’t have the factory bilsteins but it was optioned from the Factory with the lowering springs (purple coloured).

Good amount of service history though.

I have been looking at s2000s in the uk though, and all of the ones I’m interested in are suffering from “5p coin sized area of rust “ in the sills/wheel arch. They look mint (from pictures ).

Might start seriously thinking about z4s, is it safe to go for the 3.0 liter, as I’ve heard it’s a different engine to then z4 coupe and not as reliable?

Thank you everyone for the input so far smile

Edited by Loafers92 on Tuesday 8th January 19:51

evojam

584 posts

162 months

Thursday 10th January 2019
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Coming from a few MX5's and then nearly into a Z4 I'm glad I ended up in a 987 Boxster,the BMW was competent but the way Boxster drove and made you feel was in another league.

ATM

18,395 posts

221 months

Thursday 10th January 2019
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evojam said:
Coming from a few MX5's and then nearly into a Z4 I'm glad I ended up in a 987 Boxster,the BMW was competent but the way Boxster drove and made you feel was in another league.
I'll agree with this. There is something difficult to explain about the feel of these earlier cars. I was commuting in my 996 this week and I discovered a whole new delicacy to the throttle pedal and brakes because I was wearing stiffer soled shoes. Normally I wear squishy pumps which damp any sensations.

Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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anonymous said:
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Well, decided to get a 986 after all. Nope, haven't driven any, but just feel that they might be the car for me, from what I've read.

Have decided to get either a 2.5 or 2.7 (insurance rules out the S) and am narrowing down a few candidates. One of them is a 2.7 with a new IMS done, not sure if the same part model as when it left the factory or an uprated part. Is it safer to get one with this replaced over a 2.5 with more than 100k miles and original IMS?

Is a 4k budget enough to get a nice one that's ready to be enjoyed out of the box?


jakesmith

9,461 posts

173 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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I’d go with one that has have the IMS changed they can let go at any mileage

I did find the 2.5 had enough power for a nice fun drive especially if you’re considering a mx5, but I went to a 2.7 and it did have a noticeable increase in torque over what the figures on paper suggest

Think the 2.7 makes more sense to me

ooid

4,147 posts

102 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Loafers92 said:
Well, decided to get a 986 after all. Nope, haven't driven any, but just feel that they might be the car for me, from what I've read.

Have decided to get either a 2.5 or 2.7 (insurance rules out the S) and am narrowing down a few candidates. One of them is a 2.7 with a new IMS done, not sure if the same part model as when it left the factory or an uprated part. Is it safer to get one with this replaced over a 2.5 with more than 100k miles and original IMS?

Is a 4k budget enough to get a nice one that's ready to be enjoyed out of the box?
Depends on the car really. I would just double check both, in terms of service history and condition. I would prefer 2.5 if it has better condition, they are put together in stuttgart, 2.7 would most probably be Finland model. After 100k, expect anything though, and be prepared for the wallet-rape! laugh

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

105 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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JayK12 said:
Can believe these are holding there money so well. I have had 2 NA and 1 Turbo's, never lasted with me as I found the engines pretty dull. Still great fun car once you change the fronts to 16's and go wider tyre, and change the GEO as stock is pretty pants.
Reduced: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vaxuhall-vx220/33302203...

80sMatchbox

3,891 posts

178 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Loafers92 said:
Well, decided to get a 986 after all. Nope, haven't driven any, but just feel that they might be the car for me, from what I've read.

Have decided to get either a 2.5 or 2.7 (insurance rules out the S) and am narrowing down a few candidates. One of them is a 2.7 with a new IMS done, not sure if the same part model as when it left the factory or an uprated part. Is it safer to get one with this replaced over a 2.5 with more than 100k miles and original IMS?

Is a 4k budget enough to get a nice one that's ready to be enjoyed out of the box?
If they are UK cars it's worth checking their MOT history online for a good reflection of how it's been maintained.

https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history


Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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jakesmith said:
I’d go with one that has have the IMS changed they can let go at any mileage

I did find the 2.5 had enough power for a nice fun drive especially if you’re considering a mx5, but I went to a 2.7 and it did have a noticeable increase in torque over what the figures on paper suggest

Think the 2.7 makes more sense to me
I think so too, it does make me more confortable knowing it's been changed. People have been saying the 2.5 is the sweatest but I'll probably still love the car regardless of engine size

Loafers92

Original Poster:

98 posts

66 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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ooid said:
Depends on the car really. I would just double check both, in terms of service history and condition. I would prefer 2.5 if it has better condition, they are put together in stuttgart, 2.7 would most probably be Finland model. After 100k, expect anything though, and be prepared for the wallet-rape! laugh
I've found decent examples of both, so I'm more tempted for the 2.7. And would the said wallet raping still happen regardless of the IMS been done? I honestly don't mind budgeting for suspension stuff after, really just want to make sure I have the engine taken care of!

Really it'll be worth it!