End of 718 production-Last UK orders

[Charlie_1]

julian987R said:

James_Lafayette said:

I wonder if an electric Boxter / Cayman will sell? It doesn’t sound like an appealing prospect to me.

it will sell like hot cakes.

It really wont , it will be utterly pointless

[Greedydog]

Charlie_1 said:

julian987R said:

James_Lafayette said:

I wonder if an electric Boxter / Cayman will sell? It doesn’t sound like an appealing prospect to me.

it will sell like hot cakes.

It really wont , it will be utterly pointless

I expect it will be fast. It will probably handle well. It may even be lighter than most EVs, but the issue for me will be range as any time I’ve driven quickly/enthusiastically in an EV there is a massive range impact. Granted that is also true to a certain extent for ICE vehicles, but those are far quicker to refuel (and fast chargers will likely be rare in areas where a car like this will be used for a run). A range of 250 - 300 miles which would be manageable with a non sporting EV driven with range in mind won’t cut it.

[981Boxess]

julian987R said:

James_Lafayette said:

I wonder if an electric Boxter / Cayman will sell? It doesn’t sound like an appealing prospect to me.

it will sell like hot cakes.

Not if you like doing Eurohoons

Not if you like doing track days

Not you like the sound of an ICE.

I dare say lots of people will talk about buying one regardless, but like anything else, talk is cheap.

[reddiesel]

981Boxess said:

That is a really bad analogy (yes old enough) because Betamax was a far better product technically, VHS suceeded only because whilst inferior to Betamax it was cheaper to sell for the masses because they didn't have to pay Sony anything to sell them.

Back to cars, IMO the EV other than possibly for city car use, is fundamentally flawed and therefore an inferior product and if it wasn't for the fact manufacturers have been forced to run with it EVs would never have sold in any volume on merit.

Back to the 718, why would Porsche be in a hurry to wrap it up, they are one of the few Porsche models still selling and they are at the cheapest point in the production run and with the 2030/2035 extension why not just facelift it?

Interesting Comments and for me much to agree with . I bought a new Cayman GTS 4.0 last Saturday and its very much Business as usual down at the OPC with even some Price Reductions . Something I have noticed and was surprised about was the amount of Cayman GT4 currently for Sale certainly more available than the 4.0 GTS . Personally I found it really difficult to buy a well specced " untracked " example of the GT4 and in the end went for the GTS . Getting into a conversation with the Dealership last Saturday they tell me that they face the same issues .

[Charlie_1]

Greedydog said:

Charlie_1 said:

julian987R said:

James_Lafayette said:

I wonder if an electric Boxter / Cayman will sell? It doesn’t sound like an appealing prospect to me.

it will sell like hot cakes.

It really wont , it will be utterly pointless

I expect it will be fast. It will probably handle well. It may even be lighter than most EVs, but the issue for me will be range as any time I’ve driven quickly/enthusiastically in an EV there is a massive range impact. Granted that is also true to a certain extent for ICE vehicles, but those are far quicker to refuel (and fast chargers will likely be rare in areas where a car like this will be used for a run). A range of 250 - 300 miles which would be manageable with a non sporting EV driven with range in mind won’t cut it.

I said something very similar to this on a previous thread and the response was rather horrid I dont understand how they cant see it

[Tony B2]

reddiesel said:

Interesting Comments and for me much to agree with . I bought a new Cayman GTS 4.0 last Saturday and its very much Business as usual down at the OPC with even some Price Reductions . Something I have noticed and was surprised about was the amount of Cayman GT4 currently for Sale certainly more available than the 4.0 GTS . Personally I found it really difficult to buy a well specced " untracked " example of the GT4 and in the end went for the GTS . Getting into a conversation with the Dealership last Saturday they tell me that they face the same issues .

How are you establishing whether the cars have been tracked or not?

[BlackRumple]

981Boxess said:

Not if you like doing Eurohoons

Not if you like doing track days

Not you like the sound of an ICE.

I dare say lots of people will talk about buying one regardless, but like anything else, talk is cheap.

Let's not forget those Cayman/Boxster owners who enjoyed road trips to North Wales. Cannot see that happening very easily. It's bad enough with the lack of Petrol stations round Snowdonia National Park, let alone imagine trying to get the car charged up for the trip back home due to limited range.

Having said this, maybe this was why the Welsh implemented the 20mph speed limits. They could foresee the lines of abandoned EV's run out of charge

[981Boxess]

BlackRumple said:

981Boxess said:

Not if you like doing Eurohoons

Not if you like doing track days

Not you like the sound of an ICE.

I dare say lots of people will talk about buying one regardless, but like anything else, talk is cheap.

Let's not forget those Cayman/Boxster owners who enjoyed road trips to North Wales. Cannot see that happening very easily. It's bad enough with the lack of Petrol stations round Snowdonia National Park, let alone imagine trying to get the car charged up for the trip back home due to limited range.

Exactly - I have done road trips to Snowdonia, the Highlands and untold Eurohoons, complete non starters in an EV.

I run a car to go where I want how I want, take this random eg, how would this day have had to change for me to do it in an EV?

I won't be buying one - fact.

[jay2000]

Lots will not buy but lots will. There was uproar when cars became turbo and pdk only. Still sold. Same with Cayenne and Macan when they first came out. I think we should buy what suits us and the manufacturers will learn to go where the market is.

[T1berious]

I'm not an EV evangelist (how did this thread get to EV bashing?), far from it but my other car is an EV....

Would I replace my 718 with an EV, sure if it exceeded what I get from my current 718, if not I'll stick with it.

I'm 13k miles in on BEV, it regularly goes up to Scotland and has done a few long round trips, its the main car and for a while was the only car.

Done Wales etc and its an excellent bike transporter.

Yup, I get it, lots of people say "It can't do a 1000 miles on a single charge, I'm not interested"

I'm 2 years in so just for balance...:

• Never ran out of charge
• Had an issue charging it (even in Kilwinning)
• Never felt the need to abandon it somewhere remote
• At a rapid charger (>150kw) I'll get to 80% in the time it takes to go to the loo and grab a coffee

If you're the sort of person that wouldn't dream of booking a hotel in advance when driving abroad or doing any planning whatsoever then hey, an EV isn't for you but if you're the sort of person that looks at your road trips and where you want to stay etc it really isn't that bad.

Plus with the Tesla network opening up on their V4 chargers it's now 30% cheaper to charge up.

Looking at taking it Skiing next year once I've got some winters for it.



Just an alternate view.



On a road trip to Spain, every hotel I stopped at had EV charging

Edited by T1berious on Thursday 16th November 14:06

Edited by T1berious on Thursday 16th November 14:09

[981Boxess]

T1berious said:

If you're the sort of person that wouldn't dream of booking a hotel in advance when driving abroad or doing any planning whatsoever then hey, an EV isn't for you but if you're the sort of person that looks at your road trips and where you want to stay etc it really isn't that bad.

We have changed our minds about which country we were going to for the weekend during a 35min Eurotunnel crossing.

Sounds perfect for you though

[T1berious]

981Boxess said:

We have changed our minds about which country we were going to for the weekend during a 35min Eurotunnel crossing.

Sounds perfect for you though

Chapeau!

[andygo]

T1berious said:

I'm not an EV evangelist (how did this thread get to EV bashing?), far from it but my other car is an EV....

Would I replace my 718 with an EV, sure if it exceeded what I get from my current 718, if not I'll stick with it.

I'm 13k miles in on BEV, it regularly goes up to Scotland and has done a few long round trips, its the main car and for a while was the only car.

Done Wales etc and its an excellent bike transporter.

Yup, I get it, lots of people say "It can't do a 1000 miles on a single charge, I'm not interested"

I'm 2 years in so just for balance...:

• Never ran out of charge
• Had an issue charging it (even in Kilwinning)
• Never felt the need to abandon it somewhere remote
• At a rapid charger (>150kw) I'll get to 80% in the time it takes to go to the loo and grab a coffee

If you're the sort of person that wouldn't dream of booking a hotel in advance when driving abroad or doing any planning whatsoever then hey, an EV isn't for you but if you're the sort of person that looks at your road trips and where you want to stay etc it really isn't that bad.

Plus with the Tesla network opening up on their V4 chargers it's now 30% cheaper to charge up.

Looking at taking it Skiing next year once I've got some winters for it.



Just an alternate view.



On a road trip to Spain, every hotel I stopped at had EV charging

Edited by T1berious on Thursday 16th November 14:06

Edited by T1berious on Thursday 16th November 14:09

Bet you would have rther been in the Cayman parked next to you ...

[ChrisW.]

Charlie_1 said:

Greedydog said:

Charlie_1 said:

julian987R said:

James_Lafayette said:

I wonder if an electric Boxter / Cayman will sell? It doesn’t sound like an appealing prospect to me.

it will sell like hot cakes.

It really wont , it will be utterly pointless

I expect it will be fast. It will probably handle well. It may even be lighter than most EVs, but the issue for me will be range as any time I’ve driven quickly/enthusiastically in an EV there is a massive range impact. Granted that is also true to a certain extent for ICE vehicles, but those are far quicker to refuel (and fast chargers will likely be rare in areas where a car like this will be used for a run). A range of 250 - 300 miles which would be manageable with a non sporting EV driven with range in mind won’t cut it.

I said something very similar to this on a previous thread and the response was rather horrid I dont understand how they cant see it

Toyota are suggesting that they have a significant breakthrough with Solid State batteries which will supposedly be better in every way ... I'm sorry that you found the responses rather horrid ... I would love an electric Boxster to be a success but ? We shall have to be patient

[jay2000]

andygo said:

Bet you would have rther been in the Cayman parked next to you ...

I think that cayman is his other car.

[981Boxess]

jay2000 said:

andygo said:

Bet you would have rther been in the Cayman parked next to you ...

I think that cayman is his other car.

Let’s face it, given the choice why would he have gone in an EV

[T1berious]

jay2000 said:

andygo said:

Bet you would have rther been in the Cayman parked next to you ...

I think that cayman is his other car.

^this^ (the Red car in the pic isn't mine)

Edited by T1berious on Friday 17th November 04:30

[DJMC]

As I find myself banging on about all over... with the ability right now to make carbon zero petrol/diesel from free air, free water, and cheap electricity anywhere in the world these exist, why go to all the bother of mining lithium, transporting it, building batteries, building EVs, scrapping EVs, spending billions on chargers nationwide?

Just put the development money into E-fuel and put it in a tanker/petrol station/ICE car. An endless cycle of recycling CO2, not one which uses up the Earth's precious resources to make batteries.

Oil's running out. Oh look... so is lithium, aluminium, unobtanium, etc...

[981Boxess]

DJMC said:

As I find myself banging on about all over... with the ability right now to make carbon zero petrol/diesel from free air, free water, and cheap electricity anywhere in the world these exist, why go to all the bother of mining lithium, transporting it, building batteries, building EVs, scrapping EVs, spending billions on chargers nationwide?

…… because it has been decided and whether it makes any sense or not they are too far in to go back now.

[DJMC]

981Boxess said:

…… because it has been decided and whether it makes any sense or not they are too far in to go back now.

At least it means those of us who keep an ICE car can sleep happy that we'll be putting carbon neutral petrol/diesel in our cars in a few years time, not killing the planet, and the supply will never run out.

I'd hope the building of new production facilities, the commercial availability of Zero fuel from 2025 (proposed), and the gradual lowering of fuel price to match that we pay for fossil fuel will usurp the EV trend at some point.

The problem is the current investment in EVs will have turfed out the ICE production lines and so, as you say, it will be hard to turn it back to ICE. But a perpetual supply of free raw materials to make Zero fuel anywhere must at some point be seen as better for the planet.