Discussion
chrisABP said:
Whilst we all might have opinions on this and the way it was dealt with I agree that we should move on and get back to CR talk.
I wish I could but mines sold :-( if I only had one car the R would be it, but in a fleet of cars I have to say goodbye to allow me to keep the GT3.So in 3 weeks gone from 4 Porkers to 2 and sold the GT4 last year, but the 2 match each other as a nice pair, so sad but happy with what's left.
I can say this was the pinnacle of my life car collection while it lasted and I have done over 5 + years in R's and loved every minute.
Would people have made the same choice ? inc. selling the GT4. been a crazy but fun 2 years of madness, to A: try these cars and B get the GT3 in the 1st place, which I love to bits btw, it's pretty much perfect bar the cost. so from 5 to 2 with 4 at the same time.
To sum up all 5:
For me the GT4 is the best looking and even the best sounding car, the engine just needed the x51 and 430 bhp tune and the gearing needed to be shorter, high hopes for the next GT4, The 981 Spyder, well that divides opinion mainly by people who don't like the older stuff, but it's the least fun out of the 5 and the worst drive, (still a great car, just my own take on it, but 50% agree and have sold up) made a nice life style car and my other half liked it the best and it was great for week end trips away together over summer. So I can see why people like it, it's just comes 5th from the 5 as a fun drivers car. The R as I have said is a true classic, the future 964RS imo, it just works and now has a nice cult following and people who know and keep these cars just know how great a car it is.
Which leaves my 987.2 Spyder again a future classic, and honed to my driving style with 8k investment in trick bits and the PCCB's ! in the end it makes the perfect match to my latest Manual CS GT3, which fixes all the things I disliked about my GT4 and while it's even faster then the GT4, it's more exciting and involving at the same speeds. Sadly the GT4 never excited me(but I always turned my head and looked at it when I walked away), but they make a great track car and was amazing value, I wish it was the right car for me as I do like mid engine cars and the price was right at list, maybe the next one will be if I get a chance at one. But I would never say never about buying a 2nd hand one at £60k and doing the x51 engine upgrade on one.
I don't thing just the 430bhp tune would do it for me, it would have to be the x51 intake manifold to get the top end from the engine so it keeps making power to red line.
Sad but happy times to say good bye to 3 great cars.
Porsche911R said:
I wish I could but mines sold :-( if I only had one car the R would be it, but in a fleet of cars I have to say goodbye to allow me to keep the GT3.
So in 3 weeks gone from 4 Porkers to 2 and sold the GT4 last year, but the 2 match each other as a nice pair, so sad but happy with what's left.
I can say this was the pinnacle of my life car collection while it lasted and I have done over 5 + years in R's and loved every minute.
Would people have made the same choice ? inc. selling the GT4. been a crazy but fun 2 years of madness, to A: try these cars and B get the GT3 in the 1st place, which I love to bits btw, it's pretty much perfect bar the cost. so from 5 to 2 with 4 at the same time.
To sum up all 5:
For me the GT4 is the best looking and even the best sounding car, the engine just needed the x51 and 430 bhp tune and the gearing needed to be shorter, high hopes for the next GT4, The 981 Spyder, well that divides opinion mainly by people who don't like the older stuff, but it's the least fun out of the 5 and the worst drive, (still a great car, just my own take on it, but 50% agree and have sold up) made a nice life style car and my other half liked it the best and it was great for week end trips away together over summer. So I can see why people like it, it's just comes 5th from the 5 as a fun drivers car. The R as I have said is a true classic, the future 964RS imo, it just works and now has a nice cult following and people who know and keep these cars just know how great a car it is.
Which leaves my 987.2 Spyder again a future classic, and honed to my driving style with 8k investment in trick bits and the PCCB's ! in the end it makes the perfect match to my latest Manual CS GT3, which fixes all the things I disliked about my GT4 and while it's even faster then the GT4, it's more exciting and involving at the same speeds. Sadly the GT4 never excited me(but I always turned my head and looked at it when I walked away), but they make a great track car and was amazing value, I wish it was the right car for me as I do like mid engine cars and the price was right at list, maybe the next one will be if I get a chance at one. But I would never say never about buying a 2nd hand one at £60k and doing the x51 engine upgrade on one.
I don't thing just the 430bhp tune would do it for me, it would have to be the x51 intake manifold to get the top end from the engine so it keeps making power to red line.
Sad but happy times to say good bye to 3 great cars.
An interesting read that. So in 3 weeks gone from 4 Porkers to 2 and sold the GT4 last year, but the 2 match each other as a nice pair, so sad but happy with what's left.
I can say this was the pinnacle of my life car collection while it lasted and I have done over 5 + years in R's and loved every minute.
Would people have made the same choice ? inc. selling the GT4. been a crazy but fun 2 years of madness, to A: try these cars and B get the GT3 in the 1st place, which I love to bits btw, it's pretty much perfect bar the cost. so from 5 to 2 with 4 at the same time.
To sum up all 5:
For me the GT4 is the best looking and even the best sounding car, the engine just needed the x51 and 430 bhp tune and the gearing needed to be shorter, high hopes for the next GT4, The 981 Spyder, well that divides opinion mainly by people who don't like the older stuff, but it's the least fun out of the 5 and the worst drive, (still a great car, just my own take on it, but 50% agree and have sold up) made a nice life style car and my other half liked it the best and it was great for week end trips away together over summer. So I can see why people like it, it's just comes 5th from the 5 as a fun drivers car. The R as I have said is a true classic, the future 964RS imo, it just works and now has a nice cult following and people who know and keep these cars just know how great a car it is.
Which leaves my 987.2 Spyder again a future classic, and honed to my driving style with 8k investment in trick bits and the PCCB's ! in the end it makes the perfect match to my latest Manual CS GT3, which fixes all the things I disliked about my GT4 and while it's even faster then the GT4, it's more exciting and involving at the same speeds. Sadly the GT4 never excited me(but I always turned my head and looked at it when I walked away), but they make a great track car and was amazing value, I wish it was the right car for me as I do like mid engine cars and the price was right at list, maybe the next one will be if I get a chance at one. But I would never say never about buying a 2nd hand one at £60k and doing the x51 engine upgrade on one.
I don't thing just the 430bhp tune would do it for me, it would have to be the x51 intake manifold to get the top end from the engine so it keeps making power to red line.
Sad but happy times to say good bye to 3 great cars.
I took the R for a play on Sunday over some of the best roads the UK has to offer and it was utterly fantastic. I've driven cars better in many individual areas, but as a package I think the R is superb. I just hope I don't ever get forced to sell it. A very satisfying car when you get it right!
gunner said:
Tracydeedance, Charles at Top 555 has just this minute advertised a very nice looking PDK Cayman R...no excuses now, you snooze you loose
PS I have no affiliation at all to car or dealer other than to say in my experience Charles and Top 555 are excellent!
One that note, the PDK car RPM have is lovely and has all the right options.....PS I have no affiliation at all to car or dealer other than to say in my experience Charles and Top 555 are excellent!
Sorry to say I would buy a 981 Cayman GTS in PDK over a R in PDK.
you buy the R because of the analogue nature of the whole car and the involvement you get from it.
Once you loose that aspect, one may as well have the 981 GTS as the PDK is light years ahead and would reward more imo.
only imo of course, but I cannot see the point in spending >£40k on a PDK R, plus VERY hard to shift on now days.
you buy the R because of the analogue nature of the whole car and the involvement you get from it.
Once you loose that aspect, one may as well have the 981 GTS as the PDK is light years ahead and would reward more imo.
only imo of course, but I cannot see the point in spending >£40k on a PDK R, plus VERY hard to shift on now days.
Porsche911R said:
Sorry to say I would buy a 981 Cayman GTS in PDK over a R in PDK.
you buy the R because of the analogue nature of the whole car and the involvement you get from it.
Once you loose that aspect, one may as well have the 981 GTS as the PDK is light years ahead and would reward more imo.
only imo of course, but I cannot see the point in spending >£40k on a PDK R, plus VERY hard to shift on now days.
Didn't take long for mine to shift and Grant (who was at Donington with us) is loving it. He's already done 1.26 at Donny on the old PS2 tyres. That will likely come down now that he's picked up my OZ wheels with supersports on and is starting work on improving the brakes (just slotted discs and pagids to start with). I think if someone has spent time with the latest PDK they might be disappointed with the original version in the R but if like me (and Grant) if you've only had the original there's little to complain about. you buy the R because of the analogue nature of the whole car and the involvement you get from it.
Once you loose that aspect, one may as well have the 981 GTS as the PDK is light years ahead and would reward more imo.
only imo of course, but I cannot see the point in spending >£40k on a PDK R, plus VERY hard to shift on now days.
Porsche911R said:
Sorry to say I would buy a 981 Cayman GTS in PDK over a R in PDK.
you buy the R because of the analogue nature of the whole car and the involvement you get from it.
Once you loose that aspect, one may as well have the 981 GTS as the PDK is light years ahead and would reward more imo.
The point about the analogue nature really strikes a chord with me. Five months ago I abandoned my long search for a high spec R when I finally accepted the car I'd been looking for doesn't exist and bought a high spec 981S instead. you buy the R because of the analogue nature of the whole car and the involvement you get from it.
Once you loose that aspect, one may as well have the 981 GTS as the PDK is light years ahead and would reward more imo.
Trouble is, I'm just not gelling with it. The main issues are the PDK, dead steering feel and contrived pops and crackles. Jumping back into my old 987.1S Cayman now really highlights how the newer car has lost more than it has gained IMHO. Although the 981 PASM setup is more compliant on 20 inch wheels compared with the 18s on my older car and it has PTV and new MP4S tyres, it doesn't corner as sweetly as my 987 on its ancient PS2s. This may be down to the custom geo on the 987 but I very much doubt that doing similar to the 981 would do enough to offset the synthetic gearbox/steering/exhaust issues. I've even gained a new appreciation for the skinny steering wheel on my 987. I had been contemplating getting it re-done to make it thicker - just like the flappy paddle wheel in my 981- but when I drive the 987 now, I'm convinced the thinner wheel helps with being able to feel what's going on. Oh, and I must be one of the few that prefers the 987 looks too!
So I'm once again thinking about an R. I'll need to downgrade my spec requirements but my 981 experience has helped put my usual desire for toys and trimmings into perspective.
If any manual R owner is interested in changing to a 981, let me know!
DRH986 said:
The point about the analogue nature really strikes a chord with me. Five months ago I abandoned my long search for a high spec R when I finally accepted the car I'd been looking for doesn't exist and bought a high spec 981S instead.
Trouble is, I'm just not gelling with it. The main issues are the PDK, dead steering feel and contrived pops and crackles. Jumping back into my old 987.1S Cayman now really highlights how the newer car has lost more than it has gained IMHO. Although the 981 PASM setup is more compliant on 20 inch wheels compared with the 18s on my older car and it has PTV and new MP4S tyres, it doesn't corner as sweetly as my 987 on its ancient PS2s. This may be down to the custom geo on the 987 but I very much doubt that doing similar to the 981 would do enough to offset the synthetic gearbox/steering/exhaust issues. I've even gained a new appreciation for the skinny steering wheel on my 987. I had been contemplating getting it re-done to make it thicker - just like the flappy paddle wheel in my 981- but when I drive the 987 now, I'm convinced the thinner wheel helps with being able to feel what's going on. Oh, and I must be one of the few that prefers the 987 looks too!
So I'm once again thinking about an R. I'll need to downgrade my spec requirements but my 981 experience has helped put my usual desire for toys and trimmings into perspective.
If any manual R owner is interested in changing to a 981, let me know!
You're not alone - I sold my GT4 for a CR and much prefer it as a fast road car, perfect example of less offering so much more!Trouble is, I'm just not gelling with it. The main issues are the PDK, dead steering feel and contrived pops and crackles. Jumping back into my old 987.1S Cayman now really highlights how the newer car has lost more than it has gained IMHO. Although the 981 PASM setup is more compliant on 20 inch wheels compared with the 18s on my older car and it has PTV and new MP4S tyres, it doesn't corner as sweetly as my 987 on its ancient PS2s. This may be down to the custom geo on the 987 but I very much doubt that doing similar to the 981 would do enough to offset the synthetic gearbox/steering/exhaust issues. I've even gained a new appreciation for the skinny steering wheel on my 987. I had been contemplating getting it re-done to make it thicker - just like the flappy paddle wheel in my 981- but when I drive the 987 now, I'm convinced the thinner wheel helps with being able to feel what's going on. Oh, and I must be one of the few that prefers the 987 looks too!
So I'm once again thinking about an R. I'll need to downgrade my spec requirements but my 981 experience has helped put my usual desire for toys and trimmings into perspective.
If any manual R owner is interested in changing to a 981, let me know!
DRH986 said:
The point about the analogue nature really strikes a chord with me. Five months ago I abandoned my long search for a high spec R when I finally accepted the car I'd been looking for doesn't exist and bought a high spec 981S instead.
Trouble is, I'm just not gelling with it. The main issues are the PDK, dead steering feel and contrived pops and crackles. Jumping back into my old 987.1S Cayman now really highlights how the newer car has lost more than it has gained IMHO. Although the 981 PASM setup is more compliant on 20 inch wheels compared with the 18s on my older car and it has PTV and new MP4S tyres, it doesn't corner as sweetly as my 987 on its ancient PS2s. This may be down to the custom geo on the 987 but I very much doubt that doing similar to the 981 would do enough to offset the synthetic gearbox/steering/exhaust issues. I've even gained a new appreciation for the skinny steering wheel on my 987. I had been contemplating getting it re-done to make it thicker - just like the flappy paddle wheel in my 981- but when I drive the 987 now, I'm convinced the thinner wheel helps with being able to feel what's going on. Oh, and I must be one of the few that prefers the 987 looks too!
So I'm once again thinking about an R. I'll need to downgrade my spec requirements but my 981 experience has helped put my usual desire for toys and trimmings into perspective.
If any manual R owner is interested in changing to a 981, let me know!
Which begs the question, if you were looking for an analogue car, why did you buy a 981 with PDK, but not only that, a 981 period, with its EPS ? Trouble is, I'm just not gelling with it. The main issues are the PDK, dead steering feel and contrived pops and crackles. Jumping back into my old 987.1S Cayman now really highlights how the newer car has lost more than it has gained IMHO. Although the 981 PASM setup is more compliant on 20 inch wheels compared with the 18s on my older car and it has PTV and new MP4S tyres, it doesn't corner as sweetly as my 987 on its ancient PS2s. This may be down to the custom geo on the 987 but I very much doubt that doing similar to the 981 would do enough to offset the synthetic gearbox/steering/exhaust issues. I've even gained a new appreciation for the skinny steering wheel on my 987. I had been contemplating getting it re-done to make it thicker - just like the flappy paddle wheel in my 981- but when I drive the 987 now, I'm convinced the thinner wheel helps with being able to feel what's going on. Oh, and I must be one of the few that prefers the 987 looks too!
So I'm once again thinking about an R. I'll need to downgrade my spec requirements but my 981 experience has helped put my usual desire for toys and trimmings into perspective.
If any manual R owner is interested in changing to a 981, let me know!
(genuine question btw)I ask as I test drove two beautifully specced 981 S's (buckets, PCCB's, sports exhaust etc etc) and realised immediately that they'd never tick the boxes required for an analogue car (and anyone that thinks otherwise should probably try something aircooled to appreciate just what analogue REALLY means)
Edit. Good as the R is, I think you could build something superior based on a nicely specced Gen 2 987 S, AND for a lot less money (you've got 911R to thank for the current prices being asked btw... )
Never in the history of mankind has one individual done so much to talk up prices of their chosen car for their own financial benefit eh David ....
Granted you'll not get back what you spend on upgrading it, but if 911R (who's sold his R to buy a GT3, and to think he took the p*ss at me buying an R... jeez you couldn't make this stuff up could you ?)
and others keep talking their own books up, soon R prices will be waaaay beyond what they're really worth.Which will make modding a Gen 2 S look cheap and a better option (unless you're a badge jockey/polisher who's only interested in what you can make financially) not that I'm suggesting you are, 'cause you sound like you appreciate the finer points of tactility and engagement.
Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 6th September 17:38
boxsey said:
Didn't take long for mine to shift and Grant (who was at Donington with us) is loving it. He's already done 1.26 at Donny on the old PS2 tyres. That will likely come down now that he's picked up my OZ wheels with supersports on and is starting work on improving the brakes (just slotted discs and pagids to start with). I think if someone has spent time with the latest PDK they might be disappointed with the original version in the R but if like me (and Grant) if you've only had the original there's little to complain about.
The car at Swindon OPC went fairly quickly but then I've not been monitoring the market for that long....I drove a Cayman R PDK with an open mind and was pleasantly surprised. I've driven every dual clutch gearbox on the market (fortunate line of work) and sure it's no 991 GT3 RS but it suited the car well.
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