GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
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av185 said:
GT4RS said:
AV185 have finalised your gt4rs spec, you still going none Wes pack?
Silver does look great on s gt4rs
Probably the most popular specced colour but a little flat for me I think.Silver does look great on s gt4rs
As with GT3 I still like freebie white....provides a nice contrast with all the blacks and greys. Freebie red a close second. Going WP for now steels no mags but final spec yet to be submitted.
finmac said:
Sounds excellent, out of interest, did they make you also purchase the obligatory RS watch at £10K ish?
Ha no I've never been ripped off by any OPC anyway wouldn't deal with them if they insisted on me effectively paying £10k overs for an effectively worthless junk grade watch especially in the current market.av185 said:
finmac said:
Sounds excellent, out of interest, did they make you also purchase the obligatory RS watch at £10K ish?
Ha no I've never been ripped off by any OPC anyway wouldn't deal with them if they insisted on me effectively paying £10k overs for an effectively worthless junk grade watch especially in the current market.
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
AV185 have finalised your gt4rs spec, you still going none Wes pack?
Silver does look great on s gt4rs
Probably the most popular specced colour but a little flat for me I think.Silver does look great on s gt4rs
As with GT3 I still like freebie white....provides a nice contrast with all the blacks and greys. Freebie red a close second. Going WP for now steels no mags but final spec yet to be submitted.
finmac said:
Any fresh UK allocations popping up please guys or any word when the next batch will appear please?
I contacted every England dealership earlier this week enquiring after an allocation, zero available and unless you're a long standing customer at any specific dealer you wouldn't be in line for a cancellation was the message pretty much across the board.27 on autotrader as of today, and I believe the GT4RS will run for around another 12 months, so there should in theory be a healthy 2nd hand market.
Also, the green one at South Lakes has done a lot of track miles apparently, a good friend knows the previous owner. Not that it should matter given what it is but worth noting.
Edited by Freakuk on Friday 9th February 10:01
Freakuk said:
finmac said:
Any fresh UK allocations popping up please guys or any word when the next batch will appear please?
I contacted every England dealership earlier this week enquiring after an allocation, zero available and unless you're a long standing customer at any specific dealer you wouldn't be in line for a cancellation was the message pretty much across the board.27 on autotrader as of today, and I believe the GT4RS will run for around another 12 months, so there should in theory be a healthy 2nd hand market.
Also, the green one at South Lakes has done a lot of track miles apparently, a good friend knows the previous owner. Not that it should matter given what it is but worth noting.
Edited by Freakuk on Friday 9th February 10:01
Another question I’d be very interested in peoples views on please:
Weissach Pack, looking at the second hand GT4RS for sale in OPC centres UK, 1 car out of 25 is Non WP, so approx 96% have WP. I kind of fancy a “stripper spec” i.e. non WP but would have all the key “track” and creature comforts like CS. PDLS, Bose etc. but I’m just a wee bit wary of inadvertently ordering what will be maybe perceived as an orphan down the line? Also whether a down the line I’d maybe regret not having pushed the boat out and gone WP.
Weissach Pack, looking at the second hand GT4RS for sale in OPC centres UK, 1 car out of 25 is Non WP, so approx 96% have WP. I kind of fancy a “stripper spec” i.e. non WP but would have all the key “track” and creature comforts like CS. PDLS, Bose etc. but I’m just a wee bit wary of inadvertently ordering what will be maybe perceived as an orphan down the line? Also whether a down the line I’d maybe regret not having pushed the boat out and gone WP.
finmac said:
Another question I’d be very interested in peoples views on please:
Weissach Pack, looking at the second hand GT4RS for sale in OPC centres UK, 1 car out of 25 is Non WP, so approx 96% have WP. I kind of fancy a “stripper spec” i.e. non WP but would have all the key “track” and creature comforts like CS. PDLS, Bose etc. but I’m just a wee bit wary of inadvertently ordering what will be maybe perceived as an orphan down the line? Also whether a down the line I’d maybe regret not having pushed the boat out and gone WP.
Personally I am only looking at WP spec cars, but that is just me.Weissach Pack, looking at the second hand GT4RS for sale in OPC centres UK, 1 car out of 25 is Non WP, so approx 96% have WP. I kind of fancy a “stripper spec” i.e. non WP but would have all the key “track” and creature comforts like CS. PDLS, Bose etc. but I’m just a wee bit wary of inadvertently ordering what will be maybe perceived as an orphan down the line? Also whether a down the line I’d maybe regret not having pushed the boat out and gone WP.
I was also looking at standard wheels and steel brakes which lets be honest will be more than adequate for 99% of people tracked or road use. But a good friend of my who has a GT3RS commented he wouldn't buy an RS without PCCB's, and upon reflection I kind of understand where he is coming from.
finmac said:
Another question I’d be very interested in peoples views on please:
Weissach Pack, looking at the second hand GT4RS for sale in OPC centres UK, 1 car out of 25 is Non WP, so approx 96% have WP. I kind of fancy a “stripper spec” i.e. non WP but would have all the key “track” and creature comforts like CS. PDLS, Bose etc. but I’m just a wee bit wary of inadvertently ordering what will be maybe perceived as an orphan down the line? Also whether a down the line I’d maybe regret not having pushed the boat out and gone WP.
Yes I tend to think the WP is quite expensive for what you get unless you are a fan of exposed carbon and whilst I personally prefer a painted non WP bonnet the side black plastic air scoops on the non WP do look rather cheap but they are inexpensive to carbon wrap but of course the car will then be 'modified'.Weissach Pack, looking at the second hand GT4RS for sale in OPC centres UK, 1 car out of 25 is Non WP, so approx 96% have WP. I kind of fancy a “stripper spec” i.e. non WP but would have all the key “track” and creature comforts like CS. PDLS, Bose etc. but I’m just a wee bit wary of inadvertently ordering what will be maybe perceived as an orphan down the line? Also whether a down the line I’d maybe regret not having pushed the boat out and gone WP.
Whilst the WP cars will always command a premium merely because they are WP model over non WP as you say there are very few non WP cars around which appear to be struggling to sell atm but this is currently market indicative and may well change say 3 to 4 years down the line simply due to rarity of non WP.
Difficult to guage but in terms of OPC cars it looks like 8 cars sold in November and December (18 and 23 cars respectively for sale) and 3 mid January but the only recent sale was the pts mint green 44 mile 6.23 car at Sheffield OPC which was reduced from a Nov high of £189900 to £169900....basic list price of £151600.
The Norwich Mint green car was removed c mid Jan may have sold may not.
Reckon on the true test of the market will be over the next few weeks approaching Spring.
Edited by av185 on Friday 9th February 12:42
Ref WP. I think it was identified early on that it is poor value on this car, that said… as most of the market is WP, the non-WP cars standout, as ‘missing spec’
Fortunately if you don’t like visible CF bonnet of WP it’s pretty easy and cheap to get it wrapped or ‘peelable-painted’ in whatever colour you desire. Totally reversible.
As has been said, we are about to witness what happens to the market on these cars as trackday season opens, and the impact of BoE rate holds trickles into marginal relief on finance rates.
Fortunately if you don’t like visible CF bonnet of WP it’s pretty easy and cheap to get it wrapped or ‘peelable-painted’ in whatever colour you desire. Totally reversible.
As has been said, we are about to witness what happens to the market on these cars as trackday season opens, and the impact of BoE rate holds trickles into marginal relief on finance rates.
Edited by TDT on Friday 9th February 12:49
TDT said:
Ref WP. I think it was identified early on that it is poor value on this car, that said… as most of the market is WP, the non-WP cars standout, as ‘missing spec’
Fortunately if you don’t like visible CF bonnet of WP it’s pretty easy and cheap to get it wrapped or ‘peelable-painted’ in whatever colour you desire. Totally reversible.
As has been said, we are about to witness what happens to the market on these cars as trackday season opens, and the impact of BoE rate holds trickles into marginal relief on finance rates.
Suspect the fact almost every car had WP is initially the OPCs insisting the cars be specd up in order to get the allocation. Then, once all these cars come back into the market everyone looks on and goes with hers in “having to spec WP so my cars not an orphan”, very clever marketing.Fortunately if you don’t like visible CF bonnet of WP it’s pretty easy and cheap to get it wrapped or ‘peelable-painted’ in whatever colour you desire. Totally reversible.
As has been said, we are about to witness what happens to the market on these cars as trackday season opens, and the impact of BoE rate holds trickles into marginal relief on finance rates.
Edited by TDT on Friday 9th February 12:49
Re track day season getting close, I suspect a fair few second hand cars will be sold soon and accordingly prices may firm up somewhat.
finmac said:
TDT said:
Ref WP. I think it was identified early on that it is poor value on this car, that said… as most of the market is WP, the non-WP cars standout, as ‘missing spec’
Fortunately if you don’t like visible CF bonnet of WP it’s pretty easy and cheap to get it wrapped or ‘peelable-painted’ in whatever colour you desire. Totally reversible.
As has been said, we are about to witness what happens to the market on these cars as trackday season opens, and the impact of BoE rate holds trickles into marginal relief on finance rates.
Suspect the fact almost every car had WP is initially the OPCs insisting the cars be specd up in order to get the allocation. Then, once all these cars come back into the market everyone looks on and goes with hers in “having to spec WP so my cars not an orphan”, very clever marketing. Fortunately if you don’t like visible CF bonnet of WP it’s pretty easy and cheap to get it wrapped or ‘peelable-painted’ in whatever colour you desire. Totally reversible.
As has been said, we are about to witness what happens to the market on these cars as trackday season opens, and the impact of BoE rate holds trickles into marginal relief on finance rates.
Edited by TDT on Friday 9th February 12:49
As a used purchase - WP is not a question, based on the current market - guess we'll see if that evolves over time and we see significant market bifurcation.
In terms of WP ... I think it's a liability for many in use.
It's not a Manthey modification that makes a real performance difference ... in terms of practicality, do you really want carbon fibre structural suspension components when in the handbook it says that they should be regularly inspected for any stone chip damage ... for minimal weight savings (and not unsprung) ?
Weissach only became available from the later 991.2 GT3RS which you can clearly see in the specification of the available 2018 and 2019 cars in the market. Not having Weissach didn't lose sales, it simply reduced the value of sales and access to Magnesium wheels (now available in the secondhand market for around £10k if you want them). In fact, at one stage availability of Magnesium wheels was limiting the rate of sale of the Weissach specced cars ... clever marketing adding £25k to the sale price of each car ?
In more recent years Porsche OPC's have been the gatekeepers for access to the GT cars ... and when for some speccing a matching £10k watch was part of the qualifying process, it's not difficult to see why most purchasers were encouraged to top the car up with even more expensive frippery.
Hence at least 95% of GT4RS that I have seen everywhere, have the mainly cosmetic Weissach Pack. This is great if you like bling, but it is making the OPC Approved used cars very expensive by comparison to the list price of the car that many of us would specify.
Is Weissach going to be a future investment ? What percentage of the cost of accessories did we think is retained into the secondhand value ??
In the GT4RS it would appear to me to be rather common ... and prospectively unwanted ?
It's not a Manthey modification that makes a real performance difference ... in terms of practicality, do you really want carbon fibre structural suspension components when in the handbook it says that they should be regularly inspected for any stone chip damage ... for minimal weight savings (and not unsprung) ?
Weissach only became available from the later 991.2 GT3RS which you can clearly see in the specification of the available 2018 and 2019 cars in the market. Not having Weissach didn't lose sales, it simply reduced the value of sales and access to Magnesium wheels (now available in the secondhand market for around £10k if you want them). In fact, at one stage availability of Magnesium wheels was limiting the rate of sale of the Weissach specced cars ... clever marketing adding £25k to the sale price of each car ?
In more recent years Porsche OPC's have been the gatekeepers for access to the GT cars ... and when for some speccing a matching £10k watch was part of the qualifying process, it's not difficult to see why most purchasers were encouraged to top the car up with even more expensive frippery.
Hence at least 95% of GT4RS that I have seen everywhere, have the mainly cosmetic Weissach Pack. This is great if you like bling, but it is making the OPC Approved used cars very expensive by comparison to the list price of the car that many of us would specify.
Is Weissach going to be a future investment ? What percentage of the cost of accessories did we think is retained into the secondhand value ??
In the GT4RS it would appear to me to be rather common ... and prospectively unwanted ?
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