The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!
Discussion
[quote=Yidwann]JZM have dropped the price of the Gentian Blue one by 10k? Now up for £99,900!
Good news can’t see any overs market for these in current market. Plenty of supply with PDK to follow and nobody knows if it’s any better than previous model which can be had at reasonable prices now.
That’s the way it should be people buying because they want to drive the car and accept it will depreciate
Good news can’t see any overs market for these in current market. Plenty of supply with PDK to follow and nobody knows if it’s any better than previous model which can be had at reasonable prices now.
That’s the way it should be people buying because they want to drive the car and accept it will depreciate
GT98 said:
OMG!! I have a 718 Spyder and M2CS allocation confirmed! What do you do buy both!?
I had a M2CS allocation as well but not taking it up. Tough decision but I think it’s a lot of money for what it offers. I had no hesitation when it was a 1M allocation. Look at prices of M4 CS and rarer M3 CS. The 4CS has taken a big hit recently. M2CS numbers low but it’s still a 2 series and some of the finish of BMW’s is a bit mass market these days. Two very different cars I’d take the Spyder
cc3 said:
I had a M2CS allocation as well but not taking it up. Tough decision but I think it’s a lot of money for what it offers. I had no hesitation when it was a 1M allocation. Look at prices of M4 CS and rarer M3 CS. The 4CS has taken a big hit recently. M2CS numbers low but it’s still a 2 series and some of the finish of BMW’s is a bit mass market these days.
Two very different cars I’d take the Spyder
Did you that’s interesting tough choice to make. I have been told only 96 UK M2CS so very low numbers, don’t you think as a manual it will be an incredible car 450bhp surly an 1M in the making as it’s the end of a 9 year cycle, however I agree it’s the Spyder that gets the vote..Shame as it would be lovely to have both.Two very different cars I’d take the Spyder
Twinfan said:
Several journos and others have driven both and can make a call. I think the new car is better, but I would say that 
I don’t think there is much doubt the new car is a step on, but if you asked me if I would be disappointed owning a 981 GT4, absolutely not, why would you? It’s still an amazing car! Yidwann said:
I don’t think there is much doubt the new car is a step on, but if you asked me if I would be disappointed owning a 981 GT4, absolutely not, why would you? It’s still an amazing car!
Indeed. They do feel quite different though and I can see why people might prefer one over the other.Yidwann said:
I don’t think there is much doubt the new car is a step on, but if you asked me if I would be disappointed owning a 981 GT4, absolutely not, why would you? It’s still an amazing car!
I was when I owned mine, it did not give me that happy face to drive, so MUCH SO I BOUGHT A CAYMAN R for fun !!! , the 718 has the same issues as the 981 so they are what they are.great value the 981 was at £64k and you can over look flaws , but the price has gone up a lot and it has the same floors and has bought in the sound issues also, they do sound crap so having a flat 6 over a 4 pot was not the result if you wanted the sound back !!! , not getting away from that over the 981 which sounded mega. better than my GT3 imo until I bypassed it.
great track cars though. funny car the GT4, it could be Porsche best car but the gear box ruins the car and now the 4.0l is so torque limited there is not really much of a performance upgrade either !! so it's just a number !
looking forward to the PDK cars, but then that takes away involvement so while a ratio win it's not really what people want either :-(
very frustrating Porsche obbsession with daft long ratio's which sap the life out of the car and remove the need to ever change gear !! people do it on reviews because they can, but when I had mine you really just leave it in 3rd and the same on track.....
Cayman R is a much more fun car to drive on the road for 1/2 the price, that just a fact :-)
And the 987.2 Spyder is one of Porsche best ever cars.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 13th February 08:59
Twinfan said:
cc3]idwann said:
nobody knows if it’s any better than previous model which can be had at reasonable prices now.
Several journos and others have driven both and can make a call. I think the new car is better, but I would say that Porsche have moved the game on as in slightly softer ride in standard mode but brittle in sport mode on our crappy roads
Steering imo lighter but that was about it I preferred the weight in my version
Clutch considerably lighter which was nice when we hit some traffic but no advantage when not in traffic jams
Gear change felt no shorter shifting to me probably journalist waffle
Torque felt greater despite hardly making much of a dent in official figures I have seen so could this be down to GT cars throttle settings always in equivalent to sport mode on 981 version!
With stop start "on" (my daily driver that is my chosen mode) and a trailing throttle the engine switches from 6 to 3 cylinders which can be easily "felt & heard" it was annoying but fortunately can be switched off by killing the stop / start function so no fuel or CO2 saving in real world driving if you do that
Sound track roof off below 5k rpm PSE on or off barely any difference then if you can get up the rev range to red line without losing your licence its a muted bass sounding howl unlike the 981 which start singing from 1k rpm to screaming once past 4500 rpm personally I can't get enough of that old skool now illegal decibel levels of music and the theatre on the auto blip downshifts pops & crackles have been totally eradicated on the 718
which I know pleases as many as it will disappoint My Porsche Centre confirmed warranty would be null & voided plus not extendable if I was to replace the sound killing factory end box
In summary as a road user average driver and not a fully paid up journalist or track day hero
Yes Porsche have moved the game on in certain areas whilst managing to kill off a shed load of character that the 3.8 has in bucket fulls imo Factor in the small improvements and massive price hike even before the flippers premiums and that makes the 981 versions imo excellent value for money today and the majority are still way below average mileage for age
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so won;t go there on which is the better looker
Yesterday was my final chance to order but "No PTS or CXX Exclusive options" which I have on my current Spyder so I decided to pass on my option and happily stick with my 1/1 example
I was talking GT4, I think the Spyders are a different kettle of fish. I've said on here before that personally I'd take a 981 Spyder over a 718 version. The 3.8 works much better in the Spyder than the GT4, and the exhaust noise is more import with a convertible.
I'd take the 718 GT4 over the 981 though. The engine and chassis improvements are worth it IMHO.
I'd take the 718 GT4 over the 981 though. The engine and chassis improvements are worth it IMHO.
Twinfan said:
I was talking GT4, I think the Spyders are a different kettle of fish. I've said on here before that personally I'd take a 981 Spyder over a 718 version. The 3.8 works much better in the Spyder than the GT4, and the exhaust noise is more import with a convertible.
I'd take the 718 GT4 over the 981 though. The engine and chassis improvements are worth it IMHO.
I would be the other way round, the chassis improvements on the 718 are moot as the 981 GT4 has a great chassis, so that's just owner **** talk, you would never notice and the 981 sounds leagues ahead of the 718. As for the engine it's torque limited so just a number !! the race cars use the 3.8 it's a great engine.I'd take the 718 GT4 over the 981 though. The engine and chassis improvements are worth it IMHO.
where the 718 Spyder is a massive step up over the 981 as it has GT3 front end and massive brakes and GT EPS the 981 Spyder EPS was not good. Also the 981 Spyder felt under tyred to me for a 3.8 on poxy 265's mated with the standard PSM off the GTS it was rubbish as a drivers car PSM light flashing in 3rd on oem Pzero's is a joke.
the 718 Spyder is really the 718 to go for now from the line up, it will be faster then the GT4 and handle better due to the low CofG.
the gearing lets all 4 models down so that's that anyway, you live with it but it means keeping the car in 3rd gear for ever, but the 718 Spyder would be the more fun car to own and drive and just change the back box any way.
Twinfan said:
Have you driven a 4.0 car yet 911R?
If not, your opinion is worth naff all.
I doubt my opinion would change much because it's based on experience and owning 10 or so Porkers inc all the models we are talking about and past GT cars and new GT cars.If not, your opinion is worth naff all.
981 GT4 has a great chassis. to say things have moved on for road use only is daft, they will have in the 718 SPyder though.
the 4.0l engine is torque limited, again that's a fact
and the gear ratios are again the same so it will do >85 mph in 2nd that's a fact !
the exhaust sounds pretty s
t in the 718 for a GT car , FACT :-pthe 981 Spyder is over rated by owners way way too much, so the 718 Spyder is a MASSIVE upgrade over the 981 in all the area's I list in my other post if you get a slot take it is my advice to 981 Spyder owners and enjoy the fact you had a 981 for free for 4 years.
they are great cars don't get me wrong, but the flaws are there, you need to be open minded and honest, some thing you struggle with.
you have bought an amazing car, better than all the other manufacturers really at this price point, but it's not perfect and once you can admit that we will get on.
what I will say is both the new models look amazing and both will monster other faster cars on track. It's a massive step up in a lot of area's for you after your GTS so the cars going to be mega. you will love it :-) steering, brakes torque etc will really shove you down the road after the GTS.
Look I point out the flaws but still want a 718 Spyder :-) and will keep asking my OPC for one. while it's flawed it's better than other cars by miles.
Twinfan said:
I don't struggle with honesty, I just have different opinions to you. Fact.
that's clear and you have done a 180 u turn with your opinions while mine are the same as they always have been ;-)I also doubt you have driven a 981 GT4 on the road for any amount of time and on track it's pretty moot at PEC as YOU WONT TRACK IT.
the 718's got the same setup as the 981 they have just used more of the PASM % a bit like the DSC does if you fit that unit to a 981.
the chassis is the same !
Enjoy the car.
Twinfan said:
It must get really tiring waving your willy around on here all day. You should really put your feet up and take a break
most people like an honest review of a car over owners bullst I find.it's pretty clear here you have done a full 180 U turn because of the car you are about to get.
lets leave it at that as the GTS b
ks was dire the last 4 years, I think we will see the same GT4 bks in the next 4 years sadly.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff