718 GT4 UK Allocations
Discussion
Twinfan said:
It depends, cars get mis-registeted quite often. This happens with GT3s too.
I'd agree with that, although I can't comment specifically on the GT4. Here's the breakdown per manual / PDK per quarter. All bar one GT4s registered in 2019 & 2020 were manual. I didn't know all the early cars were manual, but appears to correlate with GT4s for sale on Autotrader. Currently, the oldest PDK is a 2021(70)
Nuttcase said:
Twinfan said:
It depends, cars get mis-registeted quite often. This happens with GT3s too.
I'd agree with that, although I can't comment specifically on the GT4. Here's the breakdown per manual / PDK per quarter. All bar one GT4s registered in 2019 & 2020 were manual. I didn't know all the early cars were manual, but appears to correlate with GT4s for sale on Autotrader. Currently, the oldest PDK is a 2021(70)LamedonM said:
From what I have seen so far any 718 GT4 with PDK, bucket seats, leather interior and LED PDLS does command a good price.
Would they carry this into the future?
I've continued to track the PDK GT4 prices on autotrader since collecting mine and prices seem strong on good spec and they seem to be shifting quickly. Only 26 PDK available and only a handful with PCCB, buckets, Clubsport, etc. This number fluctuates but I can only see prices remaining strong as Spring / Summer approaches and the allocations and builds cease. Would they carry this into the future?
I see your point but I’m not sure. In 2022 29% took an auto only driving test, up from 13% the previous year. The market is ever decreasing and I don’t often hear people going back to a manual, certainly not in the same way as EV vs ICE.
Also, you can see PDK has been significantly more popular since it’s launch and more often than not, the used market follows the new market.
Been wrong before though.
Also, you can see PDK has been significantly more popular since it’s launch and more often than not, the used market follows the new market.
Been wrong before though.
I think the desires of new buyers are different to those of used buyers. FYI I have a PDK spec’d new by me.
Just look at last manual Ferrari’s or Lambo’s these now command a small premium over the auto’s.
There is for road driving a level of engagement you get with manuals that auto’s no matter how good and Porsche PDK is very very good just don’t offer.
As a track toy it’s hard to argue against PDK but then you’re looking at cars with buckets and clubsport.
Just look at last manual Ferrari’s or Lambo’s these now command a small premium over the auto’s.
There is for road driving a level of engagement you get with manuals that auto’s no matter how good and Porsche PDK is very very good just don’t offer.
As a track toy it’s hard to argue against PDK but then you’re looking at cars with buckets and clubsport.
There will always be some that hanker after a manual and will keep the demand there.
I think overall, there will be a larger quantum of manual GT4s produced in comparison to the PDK, especially if you add the 981 GT4 in the mix. That should mean there's more choice, which may attenuate the prices somewhat.
I test drove the manual before going PDK. I much preferred the experience in the PDK and I'm getting too old and lazy to be bothered with a manual these days.
I'm sure good specced manual and PDK will continue to do well over time.
I think overall, there will be a larger quantum of manual GT4s produced in comparison to the PDK, especially if you add the 981 GT4 in the mix. That should mean there's more choice, which may attenuate the prices somewhat.
I test drove the manual before going PDK. I much preferred the experience in the PDK and I'm getting too old and lazy to be bothered with a manual these days.
I'm sure good specced manual and PDK will continue to do well over time.
Production numbers are only part of the story, demand is the other.
There are clearly buyers for both and at the moment but PDK is definitely commanding the premium.
In the future a lot will depend on availability of fuel, where you can use the car, type of buyer etc as to which is most popular.
There are clearly buyers for both and at the moment but PDK is definitely commanding the premium.
In the future a lot will depend on availability of fuel, where you can use the car, type of buyer etc as to which is most popular.
Yep Taffys correct.
Not that I would put much weight to that Auto Express review of the GT4 for obvious reasons but their point that the PDK GT4 is 'easier to drive' being an advantage nicely sums up why the far more involving manual is the transmission which clearly will be the more desirable in the future in a rapidly declining pool of manual drivers cars.
Not that I would put much weight to that Auto Express review of the GT4 for obvious reasons but their point that the PDK GT4 is 'easier to drive' being an advantage nicely sums up why the far more involving manual is the transmission which clearly will be the more desirable in the future in a rapidly declining pool of manual drivers cars.
Manuals will be more desirable for people that want manuals and PDK more desirable to those wanting PDK. It's a nonsense to blanket say one is more desirable than the other. If think you mean which one will be more expensive and hold money better over a longer term it's the PDK because there are less of those around in comparison to the number of people that want them. Simple economics.
There other thing to bear in mind that future owners coming up through into the market will more and more be used to automatic gearboxes. Even my Mrs said she wouldn't drive the Cayman if I got a manual one. The PDK will more and more appeal to a wider section of the buying public. Beards on PH are not the buying public and it's out of touch really to keep going on about manuals being the be all and end all they simply aren't for most people. It's just what you're "supposed" to say if you're a supposed proper driver.
There other thing to bear in mind that future owners coming up through into the market will more and more be used to automatic gearboxes. Even my Mrs said she wouldn't drive the Cayman if I got a manual one. The PDK will more and more appeal to a wider section of the buying public. Beards on PH are not the buying public and it's out of touch really to keep going on about manuals being the be all and end all they simply aren't for most people. It's just what you're "supposed" to say if you're a supposed proper driver.
fridaypassion said:
Manuals will be more desirable for people that want manuals and PDK more desirable to those wanting PDK. It's a nonsense to blanket say one is more desirable than the other. If think you mean which one will be more expensive and hold money better over a longer term it's the PDK because there are less of those around in comparison to the number of people that want them. Simple economics.
There other thing to bear in mind that future owners coming up through into the market will more and more be used to automatic gearboxes. Even my Mrs said she wouldn't drive the Cayman if I got a manual one. The PDK will more and more appeal to a wider section of the buying public. Beards on PH are not the buying public and it's out of touch really to keep going on about manuals being the be all and end all they simply aren't for most people. It's just what you're "supposed" to say if you're a supposed proper driver.
Well said - there s no right or wrong it is down to individual preferences I do find the debate on future values a bit tiresome as you only realise the value when you sell - and then you haven’t got either a manual or a PDK !! There other thing to bear in mind that future owners coming up through into the market will more and more be used to automatic gearboxes. Even my Mrs said she wouldn't drive the Cayman if I got a manual one. The PDK will more and more appeal to a wider section of the buying public. Beards on PH are not the buying public and it's out of touch really to keep going on about manuals being the be all and end all they simply aren't for most people. It's just what you're "supposed" to say if you're a supposed proper driver.
Quite T.
And one look at the 'unicorn' status of the last of the line Ferrari 430 manual v the auto never mind the colossal difference in values driven by demand for the manual should tell you all you need to know about this subject.
But as ever buy what floats your boat they are both great gearboxes.
And one look at the 'unicorn' status of the last of the line Ferrari 430 manual v the auto never mind the colossal difference in values driven by demand for the manual should tell you all you need to know about this subject.
But as ever buy what floats your boat they are both great gearboxes.
av185 said:
And one look at the 'unicorn' status of the last of the line Ferrari 430 manual v the auto never mind the colossal difference in values driven by demand for the manual should tell you all you need to know about this subject.
Hardly a like for like comparison. The current iterations of PDK are known for being the very best autos money can buy, the same certainly cannot be said for the F1 gearbox found in the F430.My 2p on this FWIW... just buy what you prefer, both the manual and PDK boxes are incredibly good. I went PDK after driving back to back and found for my own personal driving ability & taste the PDK brings the engine alive. I had to work the manual a hell of lot harder on road to get anywhere near the best from the engine, which is not something I personally got enjoyment out of (but I can understand why others do).
Edited by kmpowell on Sunday 26th February 14:10
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