718 Positive Vibes Thread...

[pete.g]

gadgit said:

Oh dear..... Prepare for political incorrectness.....

When your mrs can drive something as fast or as easy as you can, you have just bought the wrong car??

The clutch on my 981 is just a bit to heavy for some wimps, and I am so pleased about that. Driving a sports car used to be a test of man and machine, but with every safety device on board today and a PDK any idiot can drive it.??

Thats probably enough for now....................
Mind you the 7 speed DSG in my vw 1600 deisel bluemotion is not bad and you can put it in sports mode as well, and believe it or not my wife can drive it to??

Unknown person, never to be heard again.

Thanks Donald.

[edo]

gadgit said:

Oh dear..... Prepare for political incorrectness.....

When your mrs can drive something as fast or as easy as you can, you have just bought the wrong car??

The clutch on my 981 is just a bit to heavy for some wimps, and I am so pleased about that. Driving a sports car used to be a test of man and machine, but with every safety device on board today and a PDK any idiot can drive it.??

Thats probably enough for now....................
Mind you the 7 speed DSG in my vw 1600 deisel bluemotion is not bad and you can put it in sports mode as well, and believe it or not my wife can drive it to??

Unknown person, never to be heard again.

The 1920's called and asked if they can have their login back.

[highscore]

gadgit said:

Oh dear..... Prepare for political incorrectness.....

When your mrs can drive something as fast or as easy as you can, you have just bought the wrong car??

The clutch on my 981 is just a bit to heavy for some wimps, and I am so pleased about that. Driving a sports car used to be a test of man and machine, but with every safety device on board today and a PDK any idiot can drive it.??

Thats probably enough for now....................
Mind you the 7 speed DSG in my vw 1600 deisel bluemotion is not bad and you can put it in sports mode as well, and believe it or not my wife can drive it to??

Unknown person, never to be heard again.

How old are you? 100?

[n4aat]

I think Gadgit makes a good point, although may have framed it slightly differently. In essence if you are into driving (not the same as being into cars) people want to feel like driving gods and thus driving a car that is challenging and has hidden depths makes it more interesting and can massage the ego when you find and exploit those depths. If a non-driving enthusiast, like gadgit's wife (assumed from his testimony), can extract those hidden depths without much effort then it is a hollow man victory over the machine.

On a related matter. Three posts in a row putting a fellow forum member down for writing in a way that he admits may be taken the wrong way, comes across as unnecessary "pile on" to me.

Back to the positive vibes.

[edo]

n4aat said:

I think Gadgit makes a good point, although may have framed it slightly differently. In essence if you are into driving (not the same as being into cars) people want to feel like driving gods and thus driving a car that is challenging and has hidden depths makes it more interesting and can massage the ego when you find and exploit those depths. If a non-driving enthusiast, like gadgit's wife (assumed from his testimony), can extract those hidden depths without much effort then it is a hollow man victory over the machine.

On a related matter. Three posts in a row putting a fellow forum member down for writing in a way that he admits may be taken the wrong way, comes across as unnecessary "pile on" to me.

Back to the positive vibes.

4.

[Tim bo]

n4aat said:

I think Gadgit makes a good point, although may have framed it slightly differently. In essence if you are into driving (not the same as being into cars) people want to feel like driving gods and thus driving a car that is challenging and has hidden depths makes it more interesting and can massage the ego when you find and exploit those depths. If a non-driving enthusiast, like gadgit's wife (assumed from his testimony), can extract those hidden depths without much effort then it is a hollow man victory over the machine.

On a related matter. Three posts in a row putting a fellow forum member down for writing in a way that he admits may be taken the wrong way, comes across as unnecessary "pile on" to me.

If that was his point, then I agree, for the most part, it is a good one.

I'm not sure I managed to parse that from his post though. He may need to be less subtle; at least for dimwits like me.

[Ozzie Osmond]

All I would say is a good car is a good car irrespective of who is driving it!

Similarly I have no intention of buying a crap road car just in order to display some mythical driving godness. Happy to leave that to geeks who enjoy standing about on a windy airfield - in the rain.

[DJMC]

edo said:

4.

I was the first, and the 5th. Came across as a sexist tt.

...and any advance that makes driving easier, like a foot brake instead of just a hand brake, is good for me. PDK included, but let's not start all that over again. Although he has... etc, etc...

[gadgit]

Thanks chaps, finally some come back fully understanding what I'm saying.
As previously stated on this thread, some people just don't get it.

I'm not bragging here, but I had a F3 car for a few years with absolutely no additional control. Not even ABS. Nothing.
I learnt so much in that 2 years, and unfortunately a modern car can't teach you that at all.
You can't learn that anymore even on a track day because you just cant turn everything off.
The closest you can get is something like a TVR griffith with probably only ABS and a LSD.
In a sad way most of the 718,981 drivers will never experience the thrill of setting up a car, which is great news for some, as you don't have to bother to do anything.
Tiff showed on fith gear that only an idiot can crash a modern car.
They even fit stability control on a van these days, and Tiff went up a runway and tried to turn it over. He failed. With his foot to the floor he zig zaged and the stability control slowed him down to 20mph.
Thats how safe a modern car is. You ain't driving it, the cars driving you.
Yes, that has all that on my 981.
I do believe that is a good thing.

Gadgit.

[DJMC]

gadgit said:

I'm not bragging here, but I had a F3 car for a few years with absolutely no additional control. Not even ABS. Nothing.

I had a Capri like that in the 70's. I crashed it.
Had a 1960's mini too, in the 70's. I crashed it.

There has to be a balance between driver skill (or lack of it) and safety. If I switch my PSM off will I have more fun in my 981, or will I crash it?

With PSM switched OFF at my instructor's request at the PEC it's true I did have to use more skill to get around the same bend on the track than with it switched ON. With PSM on I would shoot around the bend with little issue. With PSM off I spun a few times before I got the hang of it for that particular bend. More fun? More challenging? More scary? That's up to the individual to decide. That's all fine on a track, but in everyday use I do mostly accept the bit of nannying PSM gives me.

Safety built in must remove some of the "joy" of driving but not everyone is as skilled as you and so it's good for all of us that we are protected from each other. Plus, if you DO know what you're doing you can switch off most safety systems... almost.

[nickfrog]

Can't you turn everything off on a 718 (apart from ABS) ? They do a manual version too.
It will still be worlds apart from a single seater but pretty much everything is this side of an Atom or a Caterham.

[JayK12]

gadgit said:

Thanks chaps, finally some come back fully understanding what I'm saying.
As previously stated on this thread, some people just don't get it.

I'm not bragging here, but I had a F3 car for a few years with absolutely no additional control. Not even ABS. Nothing.
I learnt so much in that 2 years, and unfortunately a modern car can't teach you that at all.
You can't learn that anymore even on a track day because you just cant turn everything off.
The closest you can get is something like a TVR griffith with probably only ABS and a LSD.
In a sad way most of the 718,981 drivers will never experience the thrill of setting up a car, which is great news for some, as you don't have to bother to do anything.
Tiff showed on fith gear that only an idiot can crash a modern car.
They even fit stability control on a van these days, and Tiff went up a runway and tried to turn it over. He failed. With his foot to the floor he zig zaged and the stability control slowed him down to 20mph.
Thats how safe a modern car is. You ain't driving it, the cars driving you.
Yes, that has all that on my 981.
I do believe that is a good thing.

Gadgit.

Well said, since i started driving at 17 I was on track, modifying and setting up my cars. Although the majority have been FWD Honda track and race cars, I have had RWD cars also but do wish i had stepped into RWD cars at an earlier age. I have grown up like this so when driving newer cars I am quite disappointed. However being 30 now I do want some creature comforts that years ago i wouldn't have, trying to find a sports car with that balance is tough these days. But like you said, I want a car I can get in and get something out of these days, I don't really want to modify or set it up, I just want to drive it, but i still want to drive and want that fulfillment.

[anonymous-user]

gadgit said:

Thanks chaps, finally some come back fully understanding what I'm saying.
As previously stated on this thread, some people just don't get it.

I'm not bragging here, but I had a F3 car for a few years with absolutely no additional control. Not even ABS. Nothing.
I learnt so much in that 2 years, and unfortunately a modern car can't teach you that at all.
You can't learn that anymore even on a track day because you just cant turn everything off.
The closest you can get is something like a TVR griffith with probably only ABS and a LSD.
In a sad way most of the 718,981 drivers will never experience the thrill of setting up a car, which is great news for some, as you don't have to bother to do anything.
Tiff showed on fith gear that only an idiot can crash a modern car.
They even fit stability control on a van these days, and Tiff went up a runway and tried to turn it over. He failed. With his foot to the floor he zig zaged and the stability control slowed him down to 20mph.
Thats how safe a modern car is. You ain't driving it, the cars driving you.
Yes, that has all that on my 981.
I do believe that is a good thing.

Gadgit.

I''m paraphrasing a little bit here but it seems that you are basically saying a new road car isn't as much of a challenge or learning experience as a dedicated racing car. At the risk of being rude are we not deep into "no st Sherlock " territory here ?

As for the "if your wife can drive it" comment whilst you were up front enough to say people won't like it that is probably one of the clumsiest and most crass statements I've read on PH and there is considerable competition !

On th basis that the vast majority neither have an extensive fleet of vehicles to suit moods (albeit I, and I suspect many others that wasn't the car) nor our own formula 3 car (ditto) cars increasingly serve multiple roles for multiple people. For many people the fact that one member of the household can drive a car and enjoy a cruise in it with the roof down, stereo on and nice comfy seats whisky another might want to take it to a track and extract the maximum from both it and him/herself is in many ways what makes the Boxster so successful isn't it ?

Anyway I was lent one yesterday by my OPC yesterday whilst my car was in for a few bits. 718 Boxster S with PDK, PASM, sport chrono, but no PSE. It's a very good car indeed, further thoughts to follow.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 11th October 12:15

[Pinball]

Short Top gear Review of the base 718. Useful pictures for graphite Blue and Sport Tex, though. http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/porsche/cayman/...

[DJMC]

RSK21 said:

I''m paraphrasing a little bit here but it seems that you are basically saying a new road car isn't as much of a challenge or learning experience as a dedicated racing car. At the risk of being rude are we not deep into "no st Sherlock " territory here ?

As for the "if your wife can drive it" comment whilst you were up front enough to say people won't like it that is probably one of the clumsiest and most crass statements I've read on PH and there is considerable competition !

On th basis that the vast majority neither have an extensive fleet of vehicles to suit moods (albeit I, and I suspect many others that wasn't the car) nor our own formula 3 car (ditto) cars increasingly serve multiple roles for multiple people. For many people the fact that one member of the household can drive a car and enjoy a cruise in it with the roof down, stereo on and nice comfy seats whisky another might want to take it to a track and extract the maximum from both it and him/herself is in many ways what makes the Boxster so successful isn't it ?

Anyway I was lent one yesterday by my OPC yesterday whilst my car was in for a few bits. 718 Boxster S with PDK, PASM, sport chrono, but no PSE. It's a very good car indeed, further thoughts to follow.

Edited by RSK21 on Tuesday 11th October 12:15

Hang on... hang on... are you saying that some here are NOT racing drivers!!

Well I'll be blowed... or naturally aspirated at least!

[Greshamst]

There was a lovely new 718 in grey parked up outside my flat the other weekend. I really like the colour. Also the rear light clusters are pretty funky once you get up close.

[Tim bo]

FourPotPorsche said:

Road and Track 718 Boxster/Cayman review with some nice pics-love that yellow 718 Boxster:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a3...

That is a very, very nice lookin motor.

[Tim bo]

FourPotPorsche said:

That looks like Graphite Blue to me but I could be wrong?

Aye Graphite blue indeed.

Agate grey is quite different.

[ikonic]

Is that Racing Yellow on the prior page?

It looks a lot deeper and richer than the yellow I saw in a dealer a while ago.

[LiamH66]

DJMC said:

I had a Capri like that in the 70's. I crashed it.
Had a 1960's mini too, in the 70's. I crashed it.

There has to be a balance between driver skill (or lack of it) and safety. If I switch my PSM off will I have more fun in my 981, or will I crash it?

With PSM switched OFF at my instructor's request at the PEC it's true I did have to use more skill to get around the same bend on the track than with it switched ON. With PSM on I would shoot around the bend with little issue. With PSM off I spun a few times before I got the hang of it for that particular bend. More fun? More challenging? More scary? That's up to the individual to decide. That's all fine on a track, but in everyday use I do mostly accept the bit of nannying PSM gives me.

Safety built in must remove some of the "joy" of driving but not everyone is as skilled as you and so it's good for all of us that we are protected from each other. Plus, if you DO know what you're doing you can switch off most safety systems... almost.

No great experience of PSM on the road, and at the PEC they only let me drive with "everything off" on the low friction surfaces, but I wasn't up for driving the demo cars ten tenths, and I think it only had to come into action in a big way when I was a bit late on the brakes into a hairpin that already had a Boxster in it. (Multi-tasking: braking hard enough to use the ABS deep into a corner, keeping steering pointing up the road, apologising to instructor for the slight oversight.) Can you spin them with everything off? Yes, you can, but you have to do it on purpose, or be trying pretty hard really. Can you spin them with PSM on? I don't think it's realistically possible. I think the safe handling is as much down to a well set up chassis as driver aids.

My current (non-Porsche) daily car gets the SM turned off when I want to play silly buggers - which is generally when the road is wide enough and there's nothing to hit coming the other way. It's actually a lot easier to get sideways than a 718 (I'm talking at speed, not "powersliding"), but the most satisfying is driving it well rather than sideways, which is seldom a quick or dignified way round a tarmac corner. I'm glad sports cars have got better - but not all the old ones were all that much of a handful - some of them were a joy. Possibly "not very manly", but I loved the compliant ride and light controls of the original Elan Sprint, and they were really benign on the limit for those days.

Liam

Edited by LiamH66 on Wednesday 12th October 00:12