GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
TDT said:
ChrisW. said:
I agree that if you can get the spec that you would have chosen (or did choose) at Porsche list, they are a great car.
At original introduction price (108k) and then up to the first price rise(113k)… excellent proposition. Thereafter diminishingly so vs 991.2 GT3/RS and 992 GT3 IMO unless you were just truly committed to the cayster platform, and dependant on intented use. That video is quite interesting makes a few good points overall but obvs the Australian market is different to the UK. His observations on black being an unpopular colour there probably more to do with heat although more popular Gentian is also quite dark. On colours surprising how few Shark blue UK 4RS cars have appeared bearing in mind its popularity on the 992 GT3.
Tend to think the fall in UK used prices is more a reflection of the Cayman having a restricted price cap as opposed to the 911 which effectively is unlimited. You could contrast the GT4 and GT4 RS relative price difference to the 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS (first run earlier non gpf cars) which may be a good barometer percentage wise to see where they settle. Too much froth yet in the 992 GT3v 992GT3RS difference as the plummeting prices of the GT3 RS show only too well.
What will be interesting is how resilient the Spyder RS will be to falling prices v the 4RS. Fewer numbers but very limited and niche market and quite frankly a joke roof and still 'just' a Boxster at the end of the day of course.
For posterity:
Edited by av185 on Sunday 25th February 15:18
GT4RS said:
Lol, the more alive PDK version 
Considering the pdk version was produced for a shorter time than the manual it certainly was very received due to it build numbers!
I’ve said it before; porsche Uk pulled a blinder on allocations, 1300 cars is the highest run of any model porsche Gt car in the uk.
Great car
Longest production run too approaching 4 years.Considering the pdk version was produced for a shorter time than the manual it certainly was very received due to it build numbers!
I’ve said it before; porsche Uk pulled a blinder on allocations, 1300 cars is the highest run of any model porsche Gt car in the uk.
Great car
Although interrupted by the pandemic.
bigmowley said:
Yup it’s my old one.
Spyder RS? Anybody’s guess. Very much depends on numbers delivered. Unlike the 4RS in my opinion the Spyder RS doesn’t have such a clear brief. The standard Spyder is such a bloody good all round car the RS detracts in as many areas as it improves. Great powertrain vs reduced useability especially in the UK. The Spyder hood is a bit of a PITA as it is, the RS goes one step further!
My guess is, like any limited numbers Porsche, it will be a safe place for ones money for the foreseeable future.
Your old car is stunning….. pretty much bang on how I would spec one…. Spyder RS? Anybody’s guess. Very much depends on numbers delivered. Unlike the 4RS in my opinion the Spyder RS doesn’t have such a clear brief. The standard Spyder is such a bloody good all round car the RS detracts in as many areas as it improves. Great powertrain vs reduced useability especially in the UK. The Spyder hood is a bit of a PITA as it is, the RS goes one step further!
My guess is, like any limited numbers Porsche, it will be a safe place for ones money for the foreseeable future.
I have enjoyed my 991.1 GT3 in guards red for 3 years now.. and fancy a bit of top down fun.. spyder RS would be long term target, albeit I agree that roof really does look a nightmare!
Seriously contempmating a 718 spyder now to try that type of platform/car…. And then decide whether to stick, or go back coupe whether cayman or 911 platform
gixermark said:
bigmowley said:
Yup it’s my old one.
Spyder RS? Anybody’s guess. Very much depends on numbers delivered. Unlike the 4RS in my opinion the Spyder RS doesn’t have such a clear brief. The standard Spyder is such a bloody good all round car the RS detracts in as many areas as it improves. Great powertrain vs reduced useability especially in the UK. The Spyder hood is a bit of a PITA as it is, the RS goes one step further!
My guess is, like any limited numbers Porsche, it will be a safe place for ones money for the foreseeable future.
Your old car is stunning….. pretty much bang on how I would spec one…. Spyder RS? Anybody’s guess. Very much depends on numbers delivered. Unlike the 4RS in my opinion the Spyder RS doesn’t have such a clear brief. The standard Spyder is such a bloody good all round car the RS detracts in as many areas as it improves. Great powertrain vs reduced useability especially in the UK. The Spyder hood is a bit of a PITA as it is, the RS goes one step further!
My guess is, like any limited numbers Porsche, it will be a safe place for ones money for the foreseeable future.
I have enjoyed my 991.1 GT3 in guards red for 3 years now.. and fancy a bit of top down fun.. spyder RS would be long term target, albeit I agree that roof really does look a nightmare!
Seriously contempmating a 718 spyder now to try that type of platform/car…. And then decide whether to stick, or go back coupe whether cayman or 911 platform
I haven’t had an SRS so that bit is conjecture but I’ve had multiple examples of almost everything else over the years.
A 718 Spyder in a comfort spec (it’s not a track car) is a sublime road car, especially with PDK. There is a lovely balance between the available performance and its ease of access. They look fantastic, way more exotic than the price. They are a real feel good car.
I’ve never been a massive fan of the GT4, good car but a bit tiresome as a daily and not quick enough on track for me.
I would rather have a GT3. A manual Cayman R would be my next pick of the Cayster pops.
bigmowley said:
My take on the Cayster platform, for what it’s worth, is that the 718 Spyder is the best car of the lot.
I haven’t had an SRS so that bit is conjecture but I’ve had multiple examples of almost everything else over the years.
A 718 Spyder in a comfort spec (it’s not a track car) is a sublime road car, especially with PDK. There is a lovely balance between the available performance and its ease of access. They look fantastic, way more exotic than the price. They are a real feel good car.
I’ve never been a massive fan of the GT4, good car but a bit tiresome as a daily and not quick enough on track for me.
I would rather have a GT3. A manual Cayman R would be my next pick of the Cayster pops.
GT4 not quick enough? I haven’t had an SRS so that bit is conjecture but I’ve had multiple examples of almost everything else over the years.
A 718 Spyder in a comfort spec (it’s not a track car) is a sublime road car, especially with PDK. There is a lovely balance between the available performance and its ease of access. They look fantastic, way more exotic than the price. They are a real feel good car.
I’ve never been a massive fan of the GT4, good car but a bit tiresome as a daily and not quick enough on track for me.
I would rather have a GT3. A manual Cayman R would be my next pick of the Cayster pops.
bigmowley said:
My take on the Cayster platform, for what it’s worth, is that the 718 Spyder is the best car of the lot.
I haven’t had an SRS so that bit is conjecture but I’ve had multiple examples of almost everything else over the years.
A 718 Spyder in a comfort spec (it’s not a track car) is a sublime road car, especially with PDK. There is a lovely balance between the available performance and its ease of access. They look fantastic, way more exotic than the price. They are a real feel good car.
I’ve never been a massive fan of the GT4, good car but a bit tiresome as a daily and not quick enough on track for me.
I would rather have a GT3. A manual Cayman R would be my next pick of the Cayster pops.
Thanks…. Appreciate the insight. I’m leaning towards a manual 718 spyder more just to go back and try a manual again(after 3 years of PDK) and probably more so as I am fairly sure long term will be into a PDK after this one. I haven’t had an SRS so that bit is conjecture but I’ve had multiple examples of almost everything else over the years.
A 718 Spyder in a comfort spec (it’s not a track car) is a sublime road car, especially with PDK. There is a lovely balance between the available performance and its ease of access. They look fantastic, way more exotic than the price. They are a real feel good car.
I’ve never been a massive fan of the GT4, good car but a bit tiresome as a daily and not quick enough on track for me.
I would rather have a GT3. A manual Cayman R would be my next pick of the Cayster pops.
I agree the look and overall platform of spyder is hard to beat for the £ I genuinely looked at stretching to your old 4RS, but then felt….. it’s not going to be massive difference to what I have for a lot of £ whereas I can move to a very fresh spyder with totally different experience for not a lot.
The spyder and GT4 are great products for what they are
gixermark said:
Thanks…. Appreciate the insight. I’m leaning towards a manual 718 spyder more just to go back and try a manual again(after 3 years of PDK) and probably more so as I am fairly sure long term will be into a PDK after this one.
I agree the look and overall platform of spyder is hard to beat for the £ I genuinely looked at stretching to your old 4RS, but then felt….. it’s not going to be massive difference to what I have for a lot of £ whereas I can move to a very fresh spyder with totally different experience for not a lot.
The spyder and GT4 are great products for what they are
.1 gt3 v 4RS, huge difference I’d say. Try the 4RS first, armchair decisions not effective.I agree the look and overall platform of spyder is hard to beat for the £ I genuinely looked at stretching to your old 4RS, but then felt….. it’s not going to be massive difference to what I have for a lot of £ whereas I can move to a very fresh spyder with totally different experience for not a lot.
The spyder and GT4 are great products for what they are
av185 said:
True but bear in mind it appears the majority of buyers at £108k and £113k were also cajoled into buying the £10k investment grade quality time piece too which appears to be less of a requirement for the currently approaching last run 2024 cars.
That video is quite interesting makes a few good points overall but obvs the Australian market is different to the UK. His observations on black being an unpopular colour there probably more to do with heat although more popular Gentian is also quite dark. On colours surprising how few Shark blue UK 4RS cars have appeared bearing in mind its popularity on the 992 GT3.
Tend to think the fall in UK used prices is more a reflection of the Cayman having a restricted price cap as opposed to the 911 which effectively is unlimited. You could contrast the GT4 and GT4 RS relative price difference to the 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS (first run earlier non gpf cars) which may be a good barometer percentage wise to see where they settle. Too much froth yet in the 992 GT3v 992GT3RS difference as the plummeting prices of the GT3 RS show only too well.
What will be interesting is how resilient the Spyder RS will be to falling prices v the 4RS. Fewer numbers but very limited and niche market and quite frankly a joke roof and still 'just' a Boxster at the end of the day of course.
For posterity:
Yes NO Ultra rare made by the god timepiece requiered on this order... thank god!That video is quite interesting makes a few good points overall but obvs the Australian market is different to the UK. His observations on black being an unpopular colour there probably more to do with heat although more popular Gentian is also quite dark. On colours surprising how few Shark blue UK 4RS cars have appeared bearing in mind its popularity on the 992 GT3.
Tend to think the fall in UK used prices is more a reflection of the Cayman having a restricted price cap as opposed to the 911 which effectively is unlimited. You could contrast the GT4 and GT4 RS relative price difference to the 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS (first run earlier non gpf cars) which may be a good barometer percentage wise to see where they settle. Too much froth yet in the 992 GT3v 992GT3RS difference as the plummeting prices of the GT3 RS show only too well.
What will be interesting is how resilient the Spyder RS will be to falling prices v the 4RS. Fewer numbers but very limited and niche market and quite frankly a joke roof and still 'just' a Boxster at the end of the day of course.
For posterity:
Edited by av185 on Sunday 25th February 15:18
av185 said:
That video is quite interesting makes a few good points overall but obvs the Australian market is different to the UK. His observations on black being an unpopular colour there probably more to do with heat although more popular Gentian is also quite dark. On colours surprising how few Shark blue UK 4RS cars have appeared bearing in mind its popularity on the 992 GT3.
Interesting thoughts re colours. Personally have always felt GT cars (and espec RS) work best with vibrant colours. Black and Gentian (doom blue as stated by Evo mag Edited by av185 on Sunday 25th February 15:18
) don’t let the WP carbon pop like the freebie red and yellow. Puzzled as to why Shark blue seems so unpopular on the 4RS, it’s a lovely colour after all and contrasts well with the carbon etc? finmac said:
av185 said:
That video is quite interesting makes a few good points overall but obvs the Australian market is different to the UK. His observations on black being an unpopular colour there probably more to do with heat although more popular Gentian is also quite dark. On colours surprising how few Shark blue UK 4RS cars have appeared bearing in mind its popularity on the 992 GT3.
Interesting thoughts re colours. Personally have always felt GT cars (and espec RS) work best with vibrant colours. Black and Gentian (doom blue as stated by Evo mag Edited by av185 on Sunday 25th February 15:18
) don’t let the WP carbon pop like the freebie red and yellow. Puzzled as to why Shark blue seems so unpopular on the 4RS, it’s a lovely colour after all and contrasts well with the carbon etc? Three Shark blue used 4RS appear to have sold since November but these cars were all priced sensibly.
Imo the £2500 option cost of GT silver or Gentian is a rip off....each to their own etc but Shark is sufficiently different to justify this cost and it suits both the RS and GT4 equally and looks great.
MeisterH said:
av185 said:
True but bear in mind it appears the majority of buyers at £108k and £113k were also cajoled into buying the £10k investment grade quality time piece too which appears to be less of a requirement for the currently approaching last run 2024 cars.
That video is quite interesting makes a few good points overall but obvs the Australian market is different to the UK. His observations on black being an unpopular colour there probably more to do with heat although more popular Gentian is also quite dark. On colours surprising how few Shark blue UK 4RS cars have appeared bearing in mind its popularity on the 992 GT3.
Tend to think the fall in UK used prices is more a reflection of the Cayman having a restricted price cap as opposed to the 911 which effectively is unlimited. You could contrast the GT4 and GT4 RS relative price difference to the 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS (first run earlier non gpf cars) which may be a good barometer percentage wise to see where they settle. Too much froth yet in the 992 GT3v 992GT3RS difference as the plummeting prices of the GT3 RS show only too well.
What will be interesting is how resilient the Spyder RS will be to falling prices v the 4RS. Fewer numbers but very limited and niche market and quite frankly a joke roof and still 'just' a Boxster at the end of the day of course.
For posterity:
Yes NO Ultra rare made by the god timepiece requiered on this order... thank god!That video is quite interesting makes a few good points overall but obvs the Australian market is different to the UK. His observations on black being an unpopular colour there probably more to do with heat although more popular Gentian is also quite dark. On colours surprising how few Shark blue UK 4RS cars have appeared bearing in mind its popularity on the 992 GT3.
Tend to think the fall in UK used prices is more a reflection of the Cayman having a restricted price cap as opposed to the 911 which effectively is unlimited. You could contrast the GT4 and GT4 RS relative price difference to the 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS (first run earlier non gpf cars) which may be a good barometer percentage wise to see where they settle. Too much froth yet in the 992 GT3v 992GT3RS difference as the plummeting prices of the GT3 RS show only too well.
What will be interesting is how resilient the Spyder RS will be to falling prices v the 4RS. Fewer numbers but very limited and niche market and quite frankly a joke roof and still 'just' a Boxster at the end of the day of course.
For posterity:
Edited by av185 on Sunday 25th February 15:18
RS Guy said:
Re the watch, some of us weren't so lucky, biggest rip off ever!!!!
A number of the ‘for sale’ OPC cars still have the watch ‘included’…. and as it was part of the buy-back, cannot be dropped from the forward sale… in testing the waters i asked if it could be swapped for other item(s) from tequipment that i actually want +- any cash difference.., but answer so far is watch cant be dropped. TDT said:
A number of the ‘for sale’ OPC cars still have the watch ‘included’…. and as it was part of the buy-back, cannot be dropped from the forward sale… in testing the waters i asked if it could be swapped for other item(s) from tequipment that i actually want +- any cash difference.., but answer so far is watch cant be dropped.
Please tell me certain OPC haven’t told the original owners they must trade the watch with the car when being made to sell it back to a opc for another allocation! Who on earth would really want one of those watches at that price anyway, porcshe used the watch to extract more money out of the original buyer….
Sad times, all we need is a few independents to start pricing their car’s slightly below OPC prices and this market will be under more pressure.
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