The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
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anonymous said:
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For what its worth, the quoted downforce for the 981 GT4 was the same as the contemporary GT3 (991.1) - so expect the 718 to be at least the same as the 991.2 GT3 - if not a little more - as it clearly looks to have more air shaping elements... the front splitter is much deeper - aero curtains round the side, a la GT2 RS and then larger diffuser and centre venturi tunnel at the rear, plus the larger rear wing.They are not aero cars really - but there is some effect/benefit that will be realised on track.
Modern cars feel great with no lift.
Most cars have lift at blasting speeds, so to say wings and splitters are pointless is daft,
The golf CS is the 1st golf not to have lift and at 100mph it feels planted.
My GT3 vs the GTS is night and day and both have the same tyres and sizes.
I shy away from very high speeds in the GTS but at 140 in the GT3 the front ends again planted.
If you stay below 90mph then most cars feel ok.
Most cars have lift at blasting speeds, so to say wings and splitters are pointless is daft,
The golf CS is the 1st golf not to have lift and at 100mph it feels planted.
My GT3 vs the GTS is night and day and both have the same tyres and sizes.
I shy away from very high speeds in the GTS but at 140 in the GT3 the front ends again planted.
If you stay below 90mph then most cars feel ok.
anonymous said:
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Very much this. Although it seems to be a much more recent thing (last 5 years?) that people keeping going on...and on...and on about all the 'extra downforce' of the cars. With a 1500kg car (ex driver) at most corners on a racetrack, while one does get a (very) small increase in cornering speed it's nothing like as much as it's made out to be by the marketing.anonymous said:
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On the RS 991.1 it’s enough that adjusting the angle makes a difference. More aggressive geo/rake with more wing for example makes it feel totally different to standard. Of course it’s not an aero car, but reduced lift over standard is still a thing. It still makes a car faster on track, so regardless of whether it helps reduce lift or actually produces downforce, I’d say it’s a moot point.
RacerMike said:
On the RS 991.1 it’s enough that adjusting the angle makes a difference. More aggressive geo/rake with more wing for example makes it feel totally different to standard.
But you're conflating 2 things. Adjusting the geo and rake of the car could obviously change the way the car handles. Simply adjusting the angle of the rear wing isn't on the same scale as geo/rideheight change.isaldiri said:
RacerMike said:
On the RS 991.1 it’s enough that adjusting the angle makes a difference. More aggressive geo/rake with more wing for example makes it feel totally different to standard.
But you're conflating 2 things. Adjusting the geo and rake of the car could obviously change the way the car handles. Simply adjusting the angle of the rear wing isn't on the same scale as geo/rideheight change.RacerMike said:
My friend who's a incredibly experienced driver and very capable of assessing setup changes who has a 991.1 RS has the opinion (and lap time evidence) that altering the angle of the rear wing makes a big enough difference to mean something. Geo, rideheight and wing were all changed independently, and all had an effect on lap time.
Ok and what were the individual impact on laptime of each change?anonymous said:
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but then you get drag. slower speeds and less mpg. The T flap is not good really vs the wing which works better in all respects.And then you get all the owners leaving it up anyway !
I agree though we don't need downforce on the road just zero lift at higher speeds, it's ok saying at 60 mph there is no lift but at 120 the GTS starts to show it has lift over the GT3's down force.
sod how fast you corner, it's about feel behind the wheel, either car would be far from the limits of corner speeds but one feels s
t the other amazing once speeds go up. The GTS feels great to 90 mph and then feels lift above that imo.what I do notice is the GTS is far better with a FULL tank of fuel it just lowers the front more and you feel that quite a bit.
Porsche911R said:
991.2 GT3 is a mega weapon all told, wing or not it offers more than any one could want in every respect, it's a mind blowing car to drive.
Correct and I would not have a GT3 without a wing. It's part of the cars ethos for me although I can see the appeal of the Touring to some degree.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff