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rkwm1 said:
Twinfan said:
It's also not a £6k CXX option any more, it's a £1527 regular option.
I bet the chap who said 6k isnt alot is kicking him thinking about the 4.5K extra hes spent 
kmpowell said:
Not really, because the chap who paid £6k for CXX also paid MY23 pricing, which was a base price of £10k+ less than the person who gets the bonnet stripe for £1500 on a MY24 base price...
True, but he might be getting stung for that as well as his car is now coming in September. MY24 price?? Im sure he wont mind the extra 10k either. Apparently hes got loads of money 
rkwm1 said:
FWIW I hear that 4RS production will end this year. Dealer average with be 7 cars, with some maybe having extra and some less. Based on that circa 300 uk cars. Will be a rare car once they get hidden away in garages.
Next year only Spyder RS will be built and possibly the Cayman R.
Hard to imagine they wouldn’t milk out a manual variant. Next year only Spyder RS will be built and possibly the Cayman R.
AP doth protest too hard me’thinks!
TDT said:
rkwm1 said:
FWIW I hear that 4RS production will end this year. Dealer average with be 7 cars, with some maybe having extra and some less. Based on that circa 300 uk cars. Will be a rare car once they get hidden away in garages.
Next year only Spyder RS will be built and possibly the Cayman R.
Hard to imagine they wouldn’t milk out a manual variant. Next year only Spyder RS will be built and possibly the Cayman R.
AP doth protest too hard me’thinks!
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No shortage of GT4 RS at Oulton Park today. Six different cars on track, usually a few out together. Fantastic car incredibly close to a race car to drive. Brilliant in the tight stuff, the direction changes are amazing, car rotates beautifully, so nimble. It feels unburstable, just soaks it all up. Could do with a bit more power TBH. I fitted RSL29 pads which take a lap or two to warm up but after that just immense with no fade or durability issues at all. Feels like it could do a six hour race straight out of the box.
It's no quicker than my R8 over a single lap but the R8 just falls appart after a few laps with brakes and tyres throwing the towel in and the RS serenely driving off into the distance.
It's that good it's a bit boring
Oh and not a single bonnet stripe, obviously not required on a track spec car
It's no quicker than my R8 over a single lap but the R8 just falls appart after a few laps with brakes and tyres throwing the towel in and the RS serenely driving off into the distance.
It's that good it's a bit boring
Oh and not a single bonnet stripe, obviously not required on a track spec car
Edited by bigmowley on Friday 21st July 21:21
bigmowley said:
No shortage of GT4 RS at Oulton Park today. Six different cars on track, usually a few out together. Fantastic car incredibly close to a race car to drive. Brilliant in the tight stuff, the direction changes are amazing, car rotates beautifully, so nimble. It feels unburstable, just soaks it all up. Could do with a bit more power TBH. I fitted RSL29 pads which take a lap or two to warm up but after that just immense with no fade or durability issues at all. Feels like it could do a six hour race straight out of the box.
It's no quicker than my R8 over a single lap but the R8 just falls appart after a few laps with brakes and tyres throwing the towel in and the RS serenely driving off into the distance.
It's that good it's a bit boring
Oh and not a single bonnet stripe, obviously not required on a track spec car
What kind of pace are you lapping Oulton in?It's no quicker than my R8 over a single lap but the R8 just falls appart after a few laps with brakes and tyres throwing the towel in and the RS serenely driving off into the distance.
It's that good it's a bit boring
Oh and not a single bonnet stripe, obviously not required on a track spec car
Edited by bigmowley on Friday 21st July 21:21
I find your comments… odd
I have done enough "proper" racing over the years to know that track day lap times are a total irrelevance. I don't time myself, why would I? I have nothing to prove. I do it for fun, nothing else.
Feel free to rip my driving to shreds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-AkbmFqQs&t=...
Fill your boots.
Feel free to rip my driving to shreds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-AkbmFqQs&t=...
Fill your boots.
I have no interest in ripping your driving to shreds, only addressing your comments - which are objectively false
The 4RS is nothing like a race car. If you have raced, you should know this. It’s *literally* nothing like a race car… it’s nowhere near stiff enough, it’s not on slicks, it’s got very little aero… well, it’s just nothing like it! I don’t know why you’d suggest that
Re: “more power”, that’s a very odd statement. If you were anywhere close to the limit, I’d perhaps understand where you’re coming from. But you’re not, so why say that? Odd. I’m sure any car could have more power, but the 4RS really doesn’t need it. Aside from the fact it destroys tyres and pads in stock form, its limiting factor is mechanical grip to carry speed. Straight line speed just means more braking. If you’re the same speed in an R8 and the 4RS, the reason you’re the same speed isn’t the cars - it’ll be you
I have no issue with people’s opinions around sound or whatever, but your comments are objectively false, and filling the world with false comments just creates incorrect perceptions about the car that I don’t think are helpful
I’m pleased you’re enjoying the car, but there’s no need for misinformation
The 4RS is nothing like a race car. If you have raced, you should know this. It’s *literally* nothing like a race car… it’s nowhere near stiff enough, it’s not on slicks, it’s got very little aero… well, it’s just nothing like it! I don’t know why you’d suggest that
Re: “more power”, that’s a very odd statement. If you were anywhere close to the limit, I’d perhaps understand where you’re coming from. But you’re not, so why say that? Odd. I’m sure any car could have more power, but the 4RS really doesn’t need it. Aside from the fact it destroys tyres and pads in stock form, its limiting factor is mechanical grip to carry speed. Straight line speed just means more braking. If you’re the same speed in an R8 and the 4RS, the reason you’re the same speed isn’t the cars - it’ll be you
I have no issue with people’s opinions around sound or whatever, but your comments are objectively false, and filling the world with false comments just creates incorrect perceptions about the car that I don’t think are helpful
I’m pleased you’re enjoying the car, but there’s no need for misinformation
Hmm… I see you’re the same person that thought there was something wrong with the GT4 suspension when at the ring because the car was “unsettled” at sprunghugel… when you actually just smacked the kerb and didn’t seem to realise
Genuinely, I am glad you’re enjoying the car. But please, comparisons or comments that have no basis aren’t needed. It’s just not helpful, and I’m at a loss as to where they even came from
Genuinely, I am glad you’re enjoying the car. But please, comparisons or comments that have no basis aren’t needed. It’s just not helpful, and I’m at a loss as to where they even came from
caymanRS23 said:
Hmm… I see you’re the same person that thought there was something wrong with the GT4 suspension when at the ring because the car was “unsettled” at sprunghugel… when you actually just smacked the kerb and didn’t seem to realise
Genuinely, I am glad you’re enjoying the car. But please, comparisons or comments that have no basis aren’t needed. It’s just not helpful, and I’m at a loss as to where they even came from
I'm not quite sure who you are, or why you feel the need to piss on @BigMowley's chips, but I've found his posts much more enjoyable and useful than yours in this thread.Genuinely, I am glad you’re enjoying the car. But please, comparisons or comments that have no basis aren’t needed. It’s just not helpful, and I’m at a loss as to where they even came from
Race cars don't all have loads of aero grip, they are not all massively stiffly sprung, and they are not all designed to run on slicks. Their definition is in their name - they race against one another.
You might want to hide your smirk when I say it, but I'd race a GT4 with all standard parts and a suspension setup. Without the latter, they are a little weird and uncommunicative (and downright understeery) for my taste, but that's probably so they are a little safer for people without much track experience to drive. I'd have to agree that out of the box my 981 GT4 did some slightly weird things that a good suspension setup seems to have sorted out completely.
I enjoyed @BigMowley's post exactly in the spirit I think he intended. If I ever get the opportunity to own and use a GT4 RS, I'll hopefully be thinking the same as he did. That it's a car for exploring one's own depths without running out of track, feeling intimidated by too much power, or running into issues with brakes not being up to a long session.
I'm guessing the comparisons and comments came from personal feel, intuition and experience. I'm struggling to see why anyone might find them so upsetting.
Liam
caymanRS23 said:
I have no interest in ripping your driving to shreds, only addressing your comments - which are objectively false
The 4RS is nothing like a race car. If you have raced, you should know this. It’s *literally* nothing like a race car… it’s nowhere near stiff enough, it’s not on slicks, it’s got very little aero… well, it’s just nothing like it! I don’t know why you’d suggest that
Re: “more power”, that’s a very odd statement. If you were anywhere close to the limit, I’d perhaps understand where you’re coming from. But you’re not, so why say that? Odd. I’m sure any car could have more power, but the 4RS really doesn’t need it. Aside from the fact it destroys tyres and pads in stock form, its limiting factor is mechanical grip to carry speed. Straight line speed just means more braking. If you’re the same speed in an R8 and the 4RS, the reason you’re the same speed isn’t the cars - it’ll be you
I have no issue with people’s opinions around sound or whatever, but your comments are objectively false, and filling the world with false comments just creates incorrect perceptions about the car that I don’t think are helpful
I’m pleased you’re enjoying the car, but there’s no need for misinformation
The 4RS is nothing like a race car. If you have raced, you should know this. It’s *literally* nothing like a race car… it’s nowhere near stiff enough, it’s not on slicks, it’s got very little aero… well, it’s just nothing like it! I don’t know why you’d suggest that
Re: “more power”, that’s a very odd statement. If you were anywhere close to the limit, I’d perhaps understand where you’re coming from. But you’re not, so why say that? Odd. I’m sure any car could have more power, but the 4RS really doesn’t need it. Aside from the fact it destroys tyres and pads in stock form, its limiting factor is mechanical grip to carry speed. Straight line speed just means more braking. If you’re the same speed in an R8 and the 4RS, the reason you’re the same speed isn’t the cars - it’ll be you
I have no issue with people’s opinions around sound or whatever, but your comments are objectively false, and filling the world with false comments just creates incorrect perceptions about the car that I don’t think are helpful
I’m pleased you’re enjoying the car, but there’s no need for misinformation
Touched a nerve there.I should have added “for a road car” after the race car bit sorry. As the the rest of the diatribe you are welcome to your views they are no more or less valuable than mine they are just opinions.
As for my driving it is no doubt terrible but at least I have stood on the top step of a British GT podium and that is good enough for me.
Nothing has touched a nerve… it’s just wrong
Coming along and saying things that are just not true is odd to me, so makes no sense
It’s not subjective, it’s very much objective. It’s nothing like a race car, you’re nowhere near the limit of the car so how can you say it could take more power, and your comments about pads needing a lap or two to warm up are again very strange…
If someone reads that who doesn’t have a car they’d get an incorrect assessment of the car itself
Coming along and saying things that are just not true is odd to me, so makes no sense
It’s not subjective, it’s very much objective. It’s nothing like a race car, you’re nowhere near the limit of the car so how can you say it could take more power, and your comments about pads needing a lap or two to warm up are again very strange…
If someone reads that who doesn’t have a car they’d get an incorrect assessment of the car itself
LiamH66 said:
I'm not quite sure who you are, or why you feel the need to piss on @BigMowley's chips, but I've found his posts much more enjoyable and useful than yours in this thread.
Race cars don't all have loads of aero grip, they are not all massively stiffly sprung, and they are not all designed to run on slicks. Their definition is in their name - they race against one another.
You might want to hide your smirk when I say it, but I'd race a GT4 with all standard parts and a suspension setup. Without the latter, they are a little weird and uncommunicative (and downright understeery) for my taste, but that's probably so they are a little safer for people without much track experience to drive. I'd have to agree that out of the box my 981 GT4 did some slightly weird things that a good suspension setup seems to have sorted out completely.
I enjoyed @BigMowley's post exactly in the spirit I think he intended. If I ever get the opportunity to own and use a GT4 RS, I'll hopefully be thinking the same as he did. That it's a car for exploring one's own depths without running out of track, feeling intimidated by too much power, or running into issues with brakes not being up to a long session.
I'm guessing the comparisons and comments came from personal feel, intuition and experience. I'm struggling to see why anyone might find them so upsetting.
Liam
Not sure what wasn’t clear, but it’s not pissing on anyone’s chips. It’s correcting statements that aren’t true. They didn’t upset me, they’re simply wrongRace cars don't all have loads of aero grip, they are not all massively stiffly sprung, and they are not all designed to run on slicks. Their definition is in their name - they race against one another.
You might want to hide your smirk when I say it, but I'd race a GT4 with all standard parts and a suspension setup. Without the latter, they are a little weird and uncommunicative (and downright understeery) for my taste, but that's probably so they are a little safer for people without much track experience to drive. I'd have to agree that out of the box my 981 GT4 did some slightly weird things that a good suspension setup seems to have sorted out completely.
I enjoyed @BigMowley's post exactly in the spirit I think he intended. If I ever get the opportunity to own and use a GT4 RS, I'll hopefully be thinking the same as he did. That it's a car for exploring one's own depths without running out of track, feeling intimidated by too much power, or running into issues with brakes not being up to a long session.
I'm guessing the comparisons and comments came from personal feel, intuition and experience. I'm struggling to see why anyone might find them so upsetting.
Liam
Unfortunately you’re also commenting in the same vein.
Compare the GT4 clubsport variants to the GT4. Are they the same? No.
Therefore, objectively, is the RS anything like a race car? Answer - no
That’s all. It’s not a good or bad thing, it’s just a fact - they’re nothing like a race car
ChrisW. said:
May I ask, based on and from what experience are you expressing these opinions ??
If that’s to me, they’re not opinions… the clubsport is not a road car and vice versa. Completely different. I’ve driven a clubsport, owned the gt4, went MR, and now an rsI’m all for celebration of the cars, but it shouldn’t be a contentious request to not make things up
Example - if I said, oh these cars are fantastic, they corner so well, they’re grippier than a race car….. would you not question that? Clearly, they are not. They don’t pull the same lateral G, they’re physically unable to do that
Now if Mowley had said, “they need more power” and was literally at the limit of grip and as fast as the car can go - that’s a fair statement. But until you’re anywhere close to that point, it’s just madness to make that claim. The answer to “need more power” is, “drive faster”
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