The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
I am trying to order a Spyder as a daily run about, my spec came to £82k I'll just swap my 991.1 GTS for one if it happens, not fussed either way to be honest but the steering feel in the 991.1 is annoying, every thing else is spot on esp that x51 engine.
I don't fancy a GT4 which is a shame, I wanted a mini mid engine GT3 and it's not the right spec for me to swap, so will keep my GT3 and stay skint lol
Why not chance waiting for a Boxster 6 as a daily? I'd find the spyder hood a bit of a faff for daily driving, especially parking up in town.I don't fancy a GT4 which is a shame, I wanted a mini mid engine GT3 and it's not the right spec for me to swap, so will keep my GT3 and stay skint lol
Maybe there'll be a pdk option too, perhaps more suitable for everyday.
I'm mulling over the same decision myself.
In terms of the headline official weight gain here's my thoughts..The official weight of the 981GT4 was supposedly 1340Kg with in the lightest possible spec..However Sport Auto weighed their GT4 test car at 1379Kg and was in a very light weight spec ie 55L tank,LWBS,PCCBs and no Clubsport..The new GT4 has officially put on 80Kg however this is impossible IMO...It has an identical body,wheel and tyre sizes etc..Assuming that both 981 and 718GT4 are specced identically the only weight added to the latter can only be a heavier battery,starter,GPFs and bigger engine..AP was quoted as saying that the real weight gain is only 30Kg and the rest is down to the new way cars are weighed under WLTP regs..
The new Spyder at 105kg heavier can be attributed for the same reasons as the GT4 with wider wheels/tyres,PASM added on top..The new diffuser adds 7Kg and the GPFs add 12Kg .
The new Spyder at 105kg heavier can be attributed for the same reasons as the GT4 with wider wheels/tyres,PASM added on top..The new diffuser adds 7Kg and the GPFs add 12Kg .
GT4P said:
I am sure the 0- 100 mph official figure is lower than on the old one ie 9.3? Vs 9.0, I have the 981 gt4 brochure and the 0-200kmh is 14.5 so it will be interesting to see what the new figure is!
Also not sure it's much heavier than the old one or the CO2 has increased greatly which is down to WLTP
Does this help ? : Also not sure it's much heavier than the old one or the CO2 has increased greatly which is down to WLTP
ras62 said:
The weight gain of 80kg is a base car without options as dictated by homologation rules. With options like carbon brakes and lighter seats the weight will be less.
That's spot on..Same goes for the new 992S which has officially grown by 55Kg despite a new lighter bodyshell.In reality the 992 has hardly put on about 20Kg compared to the 991.2 spec for spec.Porsche911R said:
one always expects a jump from model to model though esp when paying out more, Porsche newer cars are always faster.
I am really stuck about the new GT4, it's got very fat, the CO2 is UP ! and it has Stop start which drops that figure a lot but it is still sky high.
the cars no faster in a straight line and it does less MPG which for the GT4 I never thought possible, mine did 6 mpg on track ! and only 12 mpg on a hoon.
the new cars going to only have a 70 mile track range !
the Spyder jumped close to 180kg more than the 987.2 car !
Spyder seems the better buy now but it's just got a bit over weight :-( plus no free buckets this time round, and NO folding buckets option on the GT4 !!!
Sadly they are still market leading cars, even though the headline figures and specs seem a bit crap so Porsche has no competition in this segment.
85mph 2nd gear is a real shame only offering torque as a way out.
Thanks for that info. I was going to ask if the fuel consumption had improved. Clearly it's got worse! I am really stuck about the new GT4, it's got very fat, the CO2 is UP ! and it has Stop start which drops that figure a lot but it is still sky high.
the cars no faster in a straight line and it does less MPG which for the GT4 I never thought possible, mine did 6 mpg on track ! and only 12 mpg on a hoon.
the new cars going to only have a 70 mile track range !
the Spyder jumped close to 180kg more than the 987.2 car !
Spyder seems the better buy now but it's just got a bit over weight :-( plus no free buckets this time round, and NO folding buckets option on the GT4 !!!
Sadly they are still market leading cars, even though the headline figures and specs seem a bit crap so Porsche has no competition in this segment.
85mph 2nd gear is a real shame only offering torque as a way out.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th June 10:05
fast laps has the old GT4 to 200kph at 13.7 so unless people can get a faster time than book from the new one the old cars faster as things stand.
991.2 GT3 is 10.6 which while VERY slow vs a 720S ;-) , it's night and day faster than the GT4 old or new 4.0 vs 4.0 there is no contest.
991.2 GT3 is 10.6 which while VERY slow vs a 720S ;-) , it's night and day faster than the GT4 old or new 4.0 vs 4.0 there is no contest.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th June 18:02
anonymous said:
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I can only go off times on the net and fastlaps show times which have been achieved, and the 0-200 981 is at 13.7 while the book speed for the 718 is 13.8 as it stands.only time will tell if in the real world one can better the 718 booked time.
either way book for book the 718 looks piss slow for a 420bhp car vs a 385 bhp car and that can only be due to weight as the new car has more usable torque.
not going to argue over it, and talk for 20 pages , we can only go off past and present times and those are in BLACK and WHITE for every one to see, so it's not a debate or an opinion to get upset about.
I really am trying to stick to facts which are on the net for people to research as people are asking why the new ones is so slow for the headline figures.
Porsche911R said:
I can only go off times on the net and fastlaps show times which have been achieved, and the 0-200 981 is at 13.7 while the book speed for the 718 is 13.8 as it stands.
only time will tell if in the real world one can better the 718 booked time.
either way book for book the 718 looks piss slow for a 420bhp car vs a 385 bhp car and that can only be due to weight as the new car has more usable torque.
not going to argue over it, and talk for 20 pages , we can only go off past and present times and those are in BLACK and WHITE for every one to see, so it's not a debate or an opinion to get upset about.
I really am trying to stick to facts which are on the net for people to research.
So what's the book time for the 981, compared to Fast Laps?only time will tell if in the real world one can better the 718 booked time.
either way book for book the 718 looks piss slow for a 420bhp car vs a 385 bhp car and that can only be due to weight as the new car has more usable torque.
not going to argue over it, and talk for 20 pages , we can only go off past and present times and those are in BLACK and WHITE for every one to see, so it's not a debate or an opinion to get upset about.
I really am trying to stick to facts which are on the net for people to research.
Its reasonable to assume the same real world improvement would apply to the 718
Edited by freedman on Wednesday 19th June 18:42
anonymous said:
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Just to be clear I’m not “writing it off” because if the 0-60 metric , I just wanted some technical support as simply don’t get it - like lots of things 
Agree on the FX point - that struck me too this afternoon.
Also completely agree that you can’t properly assess anything from a spec sheet - so it seems we agree on everything.
I loved my 981 Spyder, it was my DD and I only sold it because the clutch weight did my back in otherwise I’d still have it now - hoping the new one has the same clutch weight as the 991.2 GT3 ; still firm but much more civilised. Does anyone know anything about this ?
Cheers
freedman said:
So what's the book time for the 781m, compared to Fast Laps?
Its reasonable to assume the same real world improvement would apply to the 718
you wont find a time for a manual as the fastest times will be posted by PDK cars.Its reasonable to assume the same real world improvement would apply to the 718
the GT3 991.2 as an example is 4/10th faster on fastlaps then the booked speed 10.6 vs 11.0
either way the 420BHP GT4 looks a tad too slow even if we look at book times only as they are a dead heat to 100kph at 4.4 each.
at to 200 only 7/10th in it an way !! I think people were after a tad more for the £10k increase and headline 420ps figure.
It's impressive that Porsche cars can go faster than book as every other car it's impossible to match booked times so that's nice in a way.
but if we take 1/2 a second off the 13.8 and pretend it can do 13.3 is that impressive enough a gain for people to be happy. ? I cannot answer that, just posting times for people.
the 718GTS has a fastlaps 200 time of 13.8 also.
one of my cars which is a good bench mark is the 991.1 GTS so about the same power and has a fat ass is 13.0 seconds dead but a PDk time.
I guess the new GT4 is about on par with a 997.1 GT3 which has a 13.6 time. the 997.2 GT3 has a big drop to 12.3 over both.
when you look at Macca's every thing looks slow 0-200 in 8.4 for the 600lt :-) that's just crazy.
To save me trawling this thread......
Is there a restriction on buying a new GT4 aside from the usual supply chain stuff? I know with the GT3/3RS you had to have blown lots of money at an OPC to be considered but it this the case with the GT4? Might place an order of its an open book.
Is there a restriction on buying a new GT4 aside from the usual supply chain stuff? I know with the GT3/3RS you had to have blown lots of money at an OPC to be considered but it this the case with the GT4? Might place an order of its an open book.
ecain63 said:
To save me trawling this thread......
Is there a restriction on buying a new GT4 aside from the usual supply chain stuff? I know with the GT3/3RS you had to have blown lots of money at an OPC to be considered but it this the case with the GT4? Might place an order of its an open book.
Nobody really knows yet. They call it unlimited which in reality means they will have a period of time in production and will make as many as they can sell in that time.Is there a restriction on buying a new GT4 aside from the usual supply chain stuff? I know with the GT3/3RS you had to have blown lots of money at an OPC to be considered but it this the case with the GT4? Might place an order of its an open book.
Demand will probably exceed supply and the dealer’s favourites will be offered cars first. However, at some dealerships they now use a points system to determine who gets what. Buy a standard car and earn points, sell cars back through the dealership with lowball trade-in offers and earn more points. Those at the top of the table get offered the halo cars. However, take a halo car and you lose points, more for a GT2, less for a GT4 etc. Those offered a GT4 might not take up the offer as they might prefer to cash in their points for a 992GT3, 992GT3RS or 992GT2 instead.
I suspect a lot more will be coming this time and not all will go to the chosen few. My advice would be to express an interest at a few dealers from different owner groups and see what happens. Some people were lucky last time and got offered cars with no history buying Porsche’s, new or used.
Good luck
Edited by BubblesNW on Wednesday 19th June 19:21
ecain63 said:
To save me trawling this thread......
Is there a restriction on buying a new GT4 aside from the usual supply chain stuff? I know with the GT3/3RS you had to have blown lots of money at an OPC to be considered but it this the case with the GT4? Might place an order of its an open book.
Interesting question. Up until now i would say it would be very unlikely you could place an order for a GT Car unless you had 'proved' yourself as a valued customer & bought a few new cars from your OPC. The big question that no one really knows is that what are the production numbers this time. AP was quoted as saying this will not be a limited run car. This was partially due to putting an end to flippers & also Porsche didn't expect demand for the 981 GT4 to be so high. So we shall see as they say. IMO my gut feel is that it will still be a limited run car but higher numbers than the 981. I think it will still be mega hard to order one unless you have built up a fantastic relationship with your OPC.Is there a restriction on buying a new GT4 aside from the usual supply chain stuff? I know with the GT3/3RS you had to have blown lots of money at an OPC to be considered but it this the case with the GT4? Might place an order of its an open book.
Edited by GameofCars on Wednesday 19th June 19:21
BubblesNW said:
. My advice would be to express an interest at a few dealers from different owner groups and see what happens.
I would not recommend this approach.Best sticking with 1 'local' OPC at a time to see how the land lies. Porsche GB don't like punters who might 'appear' to be trying to obtain GT cars from more than one OPC and it could well go against you.
Porsche911R said:
you wont find a time for a manual as the fastest times will be posted by PDK cars.
the GT3 991.2 as an example is 4/10th faster on fastlaps then the booked speed 10.6 vs 11.0
either way the 420BHP GT4 looks a tad too slow even if we look at book times only as they are a dead heat to 100kph at 4.4 each.
at to 200 only 7/10th in it an way !! I think people were after a tad more for the £10k increase and headline 420ps figure.
It's impressive that Porsche cars can go faster than book as every other car it's impossible to match booked times so that's nice in a way.
but if we take 1/2 a second off the 13.8 and pretend it can do 13.3 is that impressive enough a gain for people to be happy. ? I cannot answer that, just posting times for people.
the 718GTS has a fastlaps 200 time of 13.8 also.
one of my cars which is a good bench mark is the 991.1 GTS so about the same power and has a fat ass is 13.0 seconds dead but a PDk time.
I guess the new GT4 is about on par with a 997.1 GT3 which has a 13.6 time. the 997.2 GT3 has a big drop to 12.3 over both.
when you look at Macca's every thing looks slow 0-200 in 8.4 for the 600lt :-) that's just crazy.
Since your so keen to quote Fastest Laps for performance figures may i inform you that a standard 458 Italia does 0-100mph in 6.2 secs and 0-200kph in an astonishing 9.2 secs according to the same website...I own both 991.2GT3 PDK and 458 Italia and know firsthand that the Fiat is the faster car but not to that extent..the GT3 991.2 as an example is 4/10th faster on fastlaps then the booked speed 10.6 vs 11.0
either way the 420BHP GT4 looks a tad too slow even if we look at book times only as they are a dead heat to 100kph at 4.4 each.
at to 200 only 7/10th in it an way !! I think people were after a tad more for the £10k increase and headline 420ps figure.
It's impressive that Porsche cars can go faster than book as every other car it's impossible to match booked times so that's nice in a way.
but if we take 1/2 a second off the 13.8 and pretend it can do 13.3 is that impressive enough a gain for people to be happy. ? I cannot answer that, just posting times for people.
the 718GTS has a fastlaps 200 time of 13.8 also.
one of my cars which is a good bench mark is the 991.1 GTS so about the same power and has a fat ass is 13.0 seconds dead but a PDk time.
I guess the new GT4 is about on par with a 997.1 GT3 which has a 13.6 time. the 997.2 GT3 has a big drop to 12.3 over both.
when you look at Macca's every thing looks slow 0-200 in 8.4 for the 600lt :-) that's just crazy.
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