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GT4P said:
Porsche ownership on the whole has never been about numbers there are plenty of cheap cars that would smoke a Porsche! Porsche ownership has always been very emotive purchase for the many so the car that stirs those emotions will always be the winner in the future desirability stakes so in this case the N/A flat6 wins!
I am sure the f4 turbo is a great car and probably excellent for every day use but so is a Golf!
But I do feel sorry for those who have lost a large chunk of value of the their nearly new cars but you go in to any kind of expensive car ownership with eyes wide open and it most likely has happened to most of us at one time or another, for me I bought a brand new 986S and it lost nearly 70% of its value in 5 years a lesson learned!
Why feel sorry for them if it’s on finance they have not lost a penny. Also the whole market is well down have you ever owned an Aston or McLaren? Then you might feel sorry! Even if you lose value just make sure you are street wise and buy the next one at a big discount. Nobody pays list price these days unless it’s a very rare limited run model. The 6 pot GTS is certainly not a list price car in the current market. Amazes me how some people on the Porsche forums are so fixated on values just drive it and enjoy it I am sure the f4 turbo is a great car and probably excellent for every day use but so is a Golf!
But I do feel sorry for those who have lost a large chunk of value of the their nearly new cars but you go in to any kind of expensive car ownership with eyes wide open and it most likely has happened to most of us at one time or another, for me I bought a brand new 986S and it lost nearly 70% of its value in 5 years a lesson learned!
Edited by cc3 on Sunday 2nd February 17:59
Edited by cc3 on Sunday 2nd February 18:14
anonymous said:
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So I build up a 30 year relationship with my OPC they give me a discount and you expect me to post the paperwork online !! You are having a laugh. Discounts are there to be had in current market but that depends on your relationship with OPC and buying record. Same as any type of business it’s not rocket science Confused as hell now... lots of posts about discounts being available (and some huge numbers), then seems that these are all volume-related customer-loyalty discounts, but then lots about discounts being available in the market generally at the moment (for normal people, or just regular customers?).
Not sure where I would stand as a new Porsche customer
Not sure where I would stand as a new Porsche customer
You can easily get 2%, even online brokers offer that without any relationship nonsense. It’s a volume and numbers game for every salesperson and OPC, and there are various incentives in your favour if you want some of the insurance products or take the finance.
But as said, just enjoy the car. Spec it properly and you won’t lose your shirt.
But as said, just enjoy the car. Spec it properly and you won’t lose your shirt.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
Spec it properly...
Not necessary IMO. Whatever expensive options you add to a car they will always depreciate faster than the car itself. Just buy the car with as few options as you feel you really need for your own enjoyment. They're all great cars straight out of the box.It's 100% in the salesman's interest to tell you, "Of course, you really need to spend £15,000 on x, y and z in order to get the best possible resale for your car". Guess what the salesman's commission is based upon? And guess how the salesman makes his money when the same car comes back through his dealership as "approved used"?
Jefferson Steelflex said:
You can easily get 2%, even online brokers offer that without any relationship nonsense. It’s a volume and numbers game for every salesperson and OPC, and there are various incentives in your favour if you want some of the insurance products or take the finance.
But as said, just enjoy the car. Spec it properly and you won’t lose your shirt.
You will lose money on any high value performance car. Do you think the 981 gts selling for £50k or GT4 selling for £75k got anything near that from the dealer ? If you can’t afford the loses buy second hand 3-5 year down the road.But as said, just enjoy the car. Spec it properly and you won’t lose your shirt.
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GFV are a good guide to what you are likely to lose but in the current market anything is possible
Edited by ClubsportStr on Sunday 2nd February 20:05
ClubsportStr said:
GFV are a good guide to what you are likely to lose but in the current market anything is possible.
GFVs on 'lower run' Porsches are meaningless.On Porsche GTs they are laughable.
A 991.2 GT3 has £75k GFV after 3 years despite 6 year old 991.1 GT3s still retailing well over list price over £100k lol.
bungle said:
Confused as hell now... lots of posts about discounts being available (and some huge numbers), then seems that these are all volume-related customer-loyalty discounts, but then lots about discounts being available in the market generally at the moment (for normal people, or just regular customers?).
Not sure where I would stand as a new Porsche customer
All car dealers will tell you walking of the street “sorry no discounts available “ but if you can prove there is and you are serious about the purchase they will discuss discounts. Walk away and try another dealer if they don’t discount. it involves a bit of time and effort on your part. Not sure where I would stand as a new Porsche customer
av185 said:
ClubsportStr said:
GFV are a good guide to what you are likely to lose but in the current market anything is possible.
GFVs on 'lower run' Porsches are meaningless.On Porsche GTs they are laughable.
A 991.2 GT3 has £75k GFV after 3 years despite 6 year old 991.1 GT3s still retailing well over list price over £100k lol.
Like they say spec it for you drive it and love every minute and be prepared to loss money. Welcome to Car ownership. if you want to make money invest it in something else.
rockin said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
Spec it properly...
Not necessary IMO. Whatever expensive options you add to a car they will always depreciate faster than the car itself. Just buy the car with as few options as you feel you really need for your own enjoyment. They're all great cars straight out of the box.It's 100% in the salesman's interest to tell you, "Of course, you really need to spend £15,000 on x, y and z in order to get the best possible resale for your car". Guess what the salesman's commission is based upon? And guess how the salesman makes his money when the same car comes back through his dealership as "approved used"?
Never cesases to amaze what people spec on their cars and how much they lose as a consequence in a matter of months by taking a bath residually.
Without going into detail here, there are 'no brainer' options which add more value to a specific Porsche than their cost option new and then there are the ott options which despite being expensive add no value whatsoever and often actually diminish the cars value and saleability. Furthermore they do nothing to enhance the drivability and enjoyment of the car as a whole.
As ever always spec your car for yourself but unless you want to take a bath residually or like losing money or are incredibly stupid,always have one eye on the market when it comes to spec especially if you need to sell in a short time period.
rockin said:
Not necessary IMO. Whatever expensive options you add to a car they will always depreciate faster than the car itself. Just buy the car with as few options as you feel you really need for your own enjoyment. They're all great cars straight out of the box.
It's 100% in the salesman's interest to tell you, "Of course, you really need to spend £15,000 on x, y and z in order to get the best possible resale for your car". Guess what the salesman's commission is based upon? And guess how the salesman makes his money when the same car comes back through his dealership as "approved used"?
What’s the point of paying 100k for a 992 or £65k for a 718 and then drive it in poverty spec !spend some decent cash and add a nice interior and then you need LED lights and some decent music. Personally I always spec cruise, dual climate, folding dipping mirrors. Yes all costs more but you want the things you get standard on a Hyundai It's 100% in the salesman's interest to tell you, "Of course, you really need to spend £15,000 on x, y and z in order to get the best possible resale for your car". Guess what the salesman's commission is based upon? And guess how the salesman makes his money when the same car comes back through his dealership as "approved used"?
Discounts are and have always been available....I have bought a lot of new cars (mostly Porsche) over the last 30 years and can honestly say that I have never paid full list price for any of my cars. OPC's are no different to any other car dealerships....they will always give a discount when they need to meet sales targets.
rockin said:
It's 100% in the salesman's interest to tell you, "Of course, you really need to spend £15,000 on x, y and z in order to get the best possible resale for your car". Guess what the salesman's commission is based upon?
I don't think that's true, options aren't part of the SA's commission?Por5che said:
Discounts are and have always been available....I have bought a lot of new cars (mostly Porsche) over the last 30 years and can honestly say that I have never paid full list price for any of my cars. OPC's are no different to any other car dealerships....they will always give a discount when they need to meet sales targets.
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