12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
GT4P said:
An X73 CGtS is going to be closer to a Gt4 ride than a PASM one no matter what the gearbox!
IMHO a manual X73 Gts is the car to have in the Gts line up! I have always found the standard PAsm on caysters crap and pdk is just personal choice!
the 981 with the 3.4 and 20" wheels in manual just lacks that extra grunt of the 3.8, while I say the 3.8 is over hyped a bit, it does have that little bit of extra torque where I feel when I drove a manual 981 it was lacking in manual form, PDK in the 981 works really well though. I just cannot ever get past 981 steering feel on a personal note.IMHO a manual X73 Gts is the car to have in the Gts line up! I have always found the standard PAsm on caysters crap and pdk is just personal choice!
The GTS ticks a lot of box's for me but I cannot get past the steering feel and in Manual it just lacks any spark, I could not choose one over an R for my needs, but as a really nice daily it takes a lot of beating.
A PDK GTS is a great all round car. but again OPC's seem to have a few for sale.
GT4P said:
MrD I totally disagree with you as you know, the manual gt4 v pdk Gts(sport mode) is quicker to 60mph but over 2 seconds quicker to 124mph(Porsche stated figures) so how is a pdk Gts going to overtake lol!
As you well I have owned just as many caysters as you and I find the Gt4 so much quicker than my old 987 Spyder which by the way has the same gear ratios but I would agree the gt4 would benefit from the ECu and Intake restriction being removed to release the 400 horses to the redline instead of the drop off at 6500rpm which incidentally is the same power curve as the 997.2s but no one ever complained about that!
I know a lot of people in nice cars, in the real world you do need a real lump of HP to pull on a car or a turbo. I cannot out drag a PDK 981 to 100mph in my GT4 not as a clear winner with a gap.As you well I have owned just as many caysters as you and I find the Gt4 so much quicker than my old 987 Spyder which by the way has the same gear ratios but I would agree the gt4 would benefit from the ECu and Intake restriction being removed to release the 400 horses to the redline instead of the drop off at 6500rpm which incidentally is the same power curve as the 997.2s but no one ever complained about that!
Either you had a slow Spyder or I have a slow GT4 lol as we will never agree on the real world performance out on the road rather than paper states.
And you know the 19" wheels in the Spyder give a lower ratio over all :-) 77mph vs 85 mph in 2nd on 20" both still madness imo.
pop over and we can put all the cars together, I have 3 of them my mates has the 981 PDK, we have all the cars to play with, I might even be able to swing doing it at Brunters to put this to bed that in the real world to a ton you won't see a full car gap.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 18th July 11:50
You must have a very slow Gt4 even a 991Rs failed to pull a couple of car lengths on me from circa rolling 40-50mph to ???mph and he had the advantage of Pdk and I know he would have been trying and as the faster we went the gap started to slowly widen before we both backed off!
As for the 987 spyder in second gear it's more like 80mph plus even my 18" wheel 987.1cs use to pull over 70mph in second gear! The big difference is third though!
But as you mentioned the big advantage of the 3.8 is the torque something I always felt lacked in 3.4 both m97 and dfi lumps!
But the Gt4 is what it is and I would take one over any other Cayster and most 911s but then I was lucky to secure at list as once we get up to £95-100k there are alternatives but for me none would be a Porsche!
As for the 987 spyder in second gear it's more like 80mph plus even my 18" wheel 987.1cs use to pull over 70mph in second gear! The big difference is third though!
But as you mentioned the big advantage of the 3.8 is the torque something I always felt lacked in 3.4 both m97 and dfi lumps!
But the Gt4 is what it is and I would take one over any other Cayster and most 911s but then I was lucky to secure at list as once we get up to £95-100k there are alternatives but for me none would be a Porsche!
GT4P said:
You must have a very slow Gt4 even a 991Rs failed to pull a couple of car lengths on me from circa rolling 40-50mph to ???mph and he had the advantage of Pdk and I know he would have been trying and as the faster we went the gap started to slowly widen before we both backed off!
As for the 987 spyder in second gear it's more like 80mph plus even my 18" wheel 987.1cs use to pull over 70mph in second gear! The big difference is third though!
But as you mentioned the big advantage of the 3.8 is the torque something I always felt lacked in 3.4 both m97 and dfi lumps!
But the Gt4 is what it is and I would take one over any other Cayster and most 911s but then I was lucky to secure at list as once we get up to £95-100k there are alternatives but for me none would be a Porsche!
hence why I said you need a big amount of HP to see a good gap if you can stay with a 500BHP RS PDK In a GT4 ;-) As for the 987 spyder in second gear it's more like 80mph plus even my 18" wheel 987.1cs use to pull over 70mph in second gear! The big difference is third though!
But as you mentioned the big advantage of the 3.8 is the torque something I always felt lacked in 3.4 both m97 and dfi lumps!
But the Gt4 is what it is and I would take one over any other Cayster and most 911s but then I was lucky to secure at list as once we get up to £95-100k there are alternatives but for me none would be a Porsche!
you cannot make up speeds in gears, it's not like 80mph at all lol , the figures I quote are hard set figure ! it's not going to do 80 mph ;-) maybe speedo 80mph !
the torque you only notice day to day lower down, in a drag race you don't notice it as the revs are higher, as I said we can put it to bed as I can prob get Bruntingthrope one evening and we have all the cars to run. the offers there to see your 991 RS beating GT4 ;-)
So it loos like I have a normal GT4 and you have a very fast one atm. ;-)
MrD you do make things up where did I say my Gt4 beats 991Rs I originally said a while back that I was surprised that it didn't make more ground and like have also said in the past rolling accelartion cars like Ford Focus/fiesta ST could stay with the 987 spyder to speeds of 90mph which to be frank is embarrassing. As you well know the 3.4 is lacking hence why you modded your Spyder and as for in gear speeds I go by what I see on the dash and there really is not a lot of difference in 2nd gear between a 19" wheel 987 and 20" wheel 981 with lower profiles.
I think when looking at acceleration things like standing qtr mile/km times are more important which motorcycles have always been measured in and also things like 30-70mph through the gears which is where most acceleration is done on the road.
I think when looking at acceleration things like standing qtr mile/km times are more important which motorcycles have always been measured in and also things like 30-70mph through the gears which is where most acceleration is done on the road.
Porsche911R said:
GT4P said:
Ignore twinfan he's been waiting for ages for prices to fall and as I mentioned earlier there will still be a £15-20k gap between his GtS if prices go into freefall. Has said above there is no car worth buying under £100k as a complete all rounder but I do agree the £95-100k cars look expensive now ! IMHO the price gap will narrow and it will all come down to good spec. mainly buckets and leather as the main items and colour will also be a big factor!
Still think prices will settle at the £75-80k mark next year and remain firm unless of course we have UK melt down!
I think at £100k you are open to a wide choice depending what you want, driver spec due to the drop has the 997.2 GT3 back in eye sight, or a Audi R8 V10 plus can be had for cira £100k for a NA V10 600bhp super car, or a Macca 12c if you just crave speed.Still think prices will settle at the £75-80k mark next year and remain firm unless of course we have UK melt down!
£100k opens lots of doors, one might even be tempted to tick a Ferrari dream (not me but I can see the £100k buyer think about a load of options)
£75k the GT4 is no contest, £100k gives you many options.
Also depends if you just have one car, as when you look at a 2 car garage for £100k cars looks better value, a Golf Clubsport (I love my new one) + a Exige 350 Sport is cheaper than a £100k GT4 and the 2 car garage wins in more areas than a GT4 !
Clubsport for the week and an Exige 350 for the weekends at £75k total for both and £25k in your pocket or a Ducatti and still change :-) is a hard option to turn down imo if you are looking at Spending £100k for fun and makes a GT4 seem a stupid choice !
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 18th July 11:31
the audi R8 v10? is it ok out of the box? I don't see it as a road/track car as much as I see it as a nice road car without stripping it and fitting a cage with buckets plus upgrading the brakes. the Gt4 has a special niche and it should continue to be valued for its ability at the price in which it is offered.
my 2 cents
The Exige 350 is a very cheap pile of poo in comparison to the GT4.
Just make sure you live within walking distance to your lotus dealership if you're going anywhere near a track as it'll be in there every week for a warranty issue. Oh and it has a gearbox from a Toyota diesel... lovely!
Just make sure you live within walking distance to your lotus dealership if you're going anywhere near a track as it'll be in there every week for a warranty issue. Oh and it has a gearbox from a Toyota diesel... lovely!
Porsche911R said:
GT4P said:
MrD I totally disagree with you as you know, the manual gt4 v pdk Gts(sport mode) is quicker to 60mph but over 2 seconds quicker to 124mph(Porsche stated figures) so how is a pdk Gts going to overtake lol!
As you well I have owned just as many caysters as you and I find the Gt4 so much quicker than my old 987 Spyder which by the way has the same gear ratios but I would agree the gt4 would benefit from the ECu and Intake restriction being removed to release the 400 horses to the redline instead of the drop off at 6500rpm which incidentally is the same power curve as the 997.2s but no one ever complained about that!
I know a lot of people in nice cars, in the real world you do need a real lump of HP to pull on a car or a turbo. I cannot out drag a PDK 981 to 100mph in my GT4 not as a clear winner with a gap.As you well I have owned just as many caysters as you and I find the Gt4 so much quicker than my old 987 Spyder which by the way has the same gear ratios but I would agree the gt4 would benefit from the ECu and Intake restriction being removed to release the 400 horses to the redline instead of the drop off at 6500rpm which incidentally is the same power curve as the 997.2s but no one ever complained about that!
Either you had a slow Spyder or I have a slow GT4 lol as we will never agree on the real world performance out on the road rather than paper states.
And you know the 19" wheels in the Spyder give a lower ratio over all :-) 77mph vs 85 mph in 2nd on 20" both still madness imo.
pop over and we can put all the cars together, I have 3 of them my mates has the 981 PDK, we have all the cars to play with, I might even be able to swing doing it at Brunters to put this to bed that in the real world to a ton you won't see a full car gap.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 18th July 11:50
PhantomPH said:
I think these days these 'races' are won (for want of a better word) by the person willing to put their own life and the life of others at risk - not who has the fastest car. But ho hum it's all about straight line speed apparently...
Not quite sure what sort of race you envisage,but its very easy to see on the road when a car is quicker or not quicker in a straight line without endangering anything.After much deliberation I've decided to add another weekend warrior / track day weapon to the stable - a Porsche Cayman GT4.
The Lotus 311 is truly epic but a car without a roof is somewhat limited in this country, although it hasn't been too much of a problem this summer. Indeed, I've been able to cover just over 2,000 miles in it since collection in April, and tick off track days at Goodwood and Castle Combe in it to boot. The Nurburgring is also planned at the end of August but, again, it will be weather dependent.
The McLaren 12C just isn't cut out for regular track day action in my opinion (I won't go into detail why I think this on this message board but, in a nutshell, I had a bad experience when a coolant pipe failed at high speed at the Ring - the seeds of doubt have been sown, in this mind at least).
So, after considering all my options and reading all the write-ups, I've taken the plunge and re-joined the Stuttgart fold (I've previously had the pleasure of running a Boxster S, Cayman R, 997 GT3RS and 997 GT2), but recently I've wanted to try some performance car offerings from these shores...box ticked, time to move on!
I collect the GT4 from Porsche Silverstone on Friday.
Spec:
- Exterior: Agate Grey Metallic
- Interior 1: Carbon and Alcantara + Full Bucket Seats
- Interior 2: Nav, Sport Chrono Pack inc. Porsche Track App, and Sound Package Plus
- Registration date: 12/02/2016
- Mileage: c. 480 miles
- Additional items: Indoor Car cover, Battery Trickle Charger and Vehicle Tracker
After collection I will take the car to Race-By-Design who will detail the car and fit a full body transparent paint protection film (ppf). Since I track my performance cars but also have OCD (like many of you) a ppf and regular inspections/servicing is vital, in my opinion, in keeping the car in tip-top condition, especially if it is to be used as Preuninger intended.
The Lotus 311 is truly epic but a car without a roof is somewhat limited in this country, although it hasn't been too much of a problem this summer. Indeed, I've been able to cover just over 2,000 miles in it since collection in April, and tick off track days at Goodwood and Castle Combe in it to boot. The Nurburgring is also planned at the end of August but, again, it will be weather dependent.
The McLaren 12C just isn't cut out for regular track day action in my opinion (I won't go into detail why I think this on this message board but, in a nutshell, I had a bad experience when a coolant pipe failed at high speed at the Ring - the seeds of doubt have been sown, in this mind at least).
So, after considering all my options and reading all the write-ups, I've taken the plunge and re-joined the Stuttgart fold (I've previously had the pleasure of running a Boxster S, Cayman R, 997 GT3RS and 997 GT2), but recently I've wanted to try some performance car offerings from these shores...box ticked, time to move on!
I collect the GT4 from Porsche Silverstone on Friday.
Spec:
- Exterior: Agate Grey Metallic
- Interior 1: Carbon and Alcantara + Full Bucket Seats
- Interior 2: Nav, Sport Chrono Pack inc. Porsche Track App, and Sound Package Plus
- Registration date: 12/02/2016
- Mileage: c. 480 miles
- Additional items: Indoor Car cover, Battery Trickle Charger and Vehicle Tracker
After collection I will take the car to Race-By-Design who will detail the car and fit a full body transparent paint protection film (ppf). Since I track my performance cars but also have OCD (like many of you) a ppf and regular inspections/servicing is vital, in my opinion, in keeping the car in tip-top condition, especially if it is to be used as Preuninger intended.
HokumPokum said:
No man. on used cars like the 997.2 Gt3 you are faced with other issues like wear and tear and generally higher cost of consumables than the newer GT4.
why would consumables be higher on a GT3 over a GT4 ?Tyres are cheaper they are smaller, brakes are cheaper they are smaller !! the GT3 prob does more mpg on track over a GT4 also.
:-)
Fokker said:
The Exige 350 is a very cheap pile of poo in comparison to the GT4.
Just make sure you live within walking distance to your lotus dealership if you're going anywhere near a track as it'll be in there every week for a warranty issue. Oh and it has a gearbox from a Toyota diesel... lovely!
but is more fun and a better track car and can be had at £40k ! NOt saying I want one as I don't track ,but not many GT4 owners do either lol !Just make sure you live within walking distance to your lotus dealership if you're going anywhere near a track as it'll be in there every week for a warranty issue. Oh and it has a gearbox from a Toyota diesel... lovely!
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 18th July 18:12
Porsche911R said:
yes this would be correct ;-) people don't like to hear it lol my offer is there to drag race the cars on private land , but no one will take it up.
I have to agree. My gut feel would be that a GT4 would be hard pushed to stay with a PDK Gts (using launch control) to 100mph (but see it off thereafter) . That said Porsche quote 4.4 for the GT4 and 4.6 for the GTS to 100kmh - which I find hard to believe.Porsche911R said:
HokumPokum said:
No man. on used cars like the 997.2 Gt3 you are faced with other issues like wear and tear and generally higher cost of consumables than the newer GT4.
why would consumables be higher on a GT3 over a GT4 ?Tyres are cheaper they are smaller, brakes are cheaper they are smaller !! the GT3 prob does more mpg on track over a GT4 also.
:-)
at our level who really cares about mpg? maybe tyres but I doubt there's a lot of difference.
Porsche911R said:
franki68 said:
I had a race with a cgts in the gt4 and I couldn't close the gap on him .
yes this would be correct ;-) people don't like to hear it lol my offer is there to drag race the cars on private land , but no one will take it up.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff