The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

[Twinfan]

mobil1 said:

On a little side note, I see that Porsche are now offering the PDK as standard transmission with a manual tick box as a no cost option. Can't remember where/which model I saw this for but what does this mean for manuals going forward? Are Porsche beginning to push the PDKs more? Obviously it's already been costed into the purchase price whereas right now on GT4/Spyder we are able to pay extra for PDK if that's what the customer wants.

The 992 Carrera S and GT3 has manual as a no-cost option with PDK standard I think...

[MPorsche]

In the last 2 days I’ve put 60% of the miles the previous owner did in 1.25 years.

Those tyres like to be warm... one heart in mouth moment.
Oh and so do those ceramics, nothing much happens when they are cold

[TimRV57]

Haha great to hear - those sound like life affirming moments! Good for you - well done.

[TDT]

MPorsche said:

In the last 2 days I’ve put 60% of the miles the previous owner did in 1.25 years.

Those tyres like to be warm... one heart in mouth moment.
Oh and so do those ceramics, nothing much happens when they are cold

Congrats and nice looking car.

[mobil1]

Twinfan said:

mobil1 said:

On a little side note, I see that Porsche are now offering the PDK as standard transmission with a manual tick box as a no cost option. Can't remember where/which model I saw this for but what does this mean for manuals going forward? Are Porsche beginning to push the PDKs more? Obviously it's already been costed into the purchase price whereas right now on GT4/Spyder we are able to pay extra for PDK if that's what the customer wants.

The 992 Carrera S and GT3 has manual as a no-cost option with PDK standard I think...

Thanks for confirming T. I knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't remember exactly!

So is this a sign of things to come from Porsche moving forwards?

[MPorsche]

TDT said:

Congrats and nice looking car.

Thank you.

Got caught in some heavy snow on the way home. Also not that pleasurable

[Twinfan]

mobil1 said:

Thanks for confirming T. I knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't remember exactly!

So is this a sign of things to come from Porsche moving forwards?

It was the same on the 991.2 GT3 from memory, so it's not a universal thing. PDK is still a cost option on all Caysters.

I suspect the 992 GTS will be same as the GT3, given that the S is that way as well, so for now it seems to be a 911 only thing.

[mactrack]

Twinfan said:

mobil1 said:

Thanks for confirming T. I knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't remember exactly!

So is this a sign of things to come from Porsche moving forwards?

It was the same on the 991.2 GT3 from memory, so it's not a universal thing. PDK is still a cost option on all Caysters.

I suspect the 992 GTS will be same as the GT3, given that the S is that way as well, so for now it seems to be a 911 only thing.

PDK version comes out first. Manual no cost option. Manual version comes out first. PDK cost option.

[av185]

mactrack said:

Twinfan said:

mobil1 said:

Thanks for confirming T. I knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't remember exactly!

So is this a sign of things to come from Porsche moving forwards?

It was the same on the 991.2 GT3 from memory, so it's not a universal thing. PDK is still a cost option on all Caysters.

I suspect the 992 GTS will be same as the GT3, given that the S is that way as well, so for now it seems to be a 911 only thing.

PDK version comes out first. Manual no cost option. Manual version comes out first. PDK cost option.

The UK 991.2 GT3 was available as manual virtually straight away for the UK in fact there are a couple PHers with 2017 67 plate early initial run cars. The standard transmission was PDK with manual a no cost option. There appears to be around 40% of UK non Touring winged cars manual although this is unconfirmedand there could well be fewer.

As we all know the 718 GT4 and Spyder standard transmission is manual with PDK now some 18 months after the first UK cars being a £2k option.

Porsche always manage to come up trumps with their different pricing policy on different cars for the same options though for example the free clubsport package on the GT3 which is a relatively expensive option on the GT4.

[Evo9lution]

I believe that PDK / DSG 'boxes help with emissions - stupid thing to worry about on a sports car, I know - so that, combined with less nostalgia / affection for stick-shift manuals from younger buyers is likely to be the death knell TBH. Everything emissions-related keeps on getting more strict and that trend is very unlikely to halt or reverse.

[av185]

Evo9lution said:

I believe that PDK / DSG 'boxes help with emissions - stupid thing to worry about on a sports car, I know - so that, combined with less nostalgia / affection for stick-shift manuals from younger buyers is likely to be the death knell TBH. Everything emissions-related keeps on getting more strict and that trend is very unlikely to halt or reverse.

Doubtful I reckon.

70% of USA 991.2 GT3s are manual and this is the main reason why the manual was reintroduced after the PDK S only 991.1 GT3. Sheer demand for the biggest market and approx demand parity for both gearboxes in the UK which is obvs a smaller market but very important for Porsche as a manufacturer. No figures for the GT4/Spyder but likely to be similar. No coincidence other manufacturers also e.g. BMW offer a manual option on the M6 for the USA only.

Given the USA is a huge market for Porsche and fewer manufacturers in general offer a manual gearbox option Porsche are more likely to exploit this niche for their driver focused GT cars which will be offered with a manual option for a considerable number of years continuing with the 992 GT3.

Long may we embrace this option too.

[Evo9lution]

av185 said:

Evo9lution said:

I believe that PDK / DSG 'boxes help with emissions - stupid thing to worry about on a sports car, I know - so that, combined with less nostalgia / affection for stick-shift manuals from younger buyers is likely to be the death knell TBH. Everything emissions-related keeps on getting more strict and that trend is very unlikely to halt or reverse.

Doubtful I reckon.

70% of USA 991.2 GT3s are manual and this is the main reason why the manual was reintroduced after the PDK S only 991.1 GT3. Sheer demand for the biggest market and approx demand parity for both gearboxes in the UK which is obvs a smaller market but very important for Porsche as a manufacturer. No figures for the GT4/Spyder but likely to be similar. No coincidence other manufacturers also e.g. BMW offer a manual option on the M6 for the USA only.

Given the USA is a huge market for Porsche and fewer manufacturers in general offer a manual gearbox option Porsche are more likely to exploit this niche for their driver focused GT cars which will be offered with a manual option for a considerable number of years continuing with the 992 GT3.

Long may we embrace this option too.

I hope that you're right but think you will be proven wrong in the end. They'll already be "up against it" with regard to large NA engines so if something has to give I suspect it will be the gearbox.

Would people prefer to have a smaller, turbo engine with a stick-shift manual or a larger, NA engine with PDK/DSG?

[av185]

Well not many buyers would want a forced induction engine in a Porsche GT thats for sure.

[Twinfan]

av185 said:

Well not many buyers would want a forced induction engine in a Porsche GT thats for sure.

Oh I dunno, I'd happily take a GT2RS if it was the same price as my GT4.....

[Evo9lution]

av185 said:

Well not many buyers would want a forced induction engine in a Porsche GT thats for sure.

Exactly! So if they are forced into going down one route I would imagine that they will go for a PDK GT car with an NA engine rather than a turbo GT car with a stick-shifter.

I hope that we can continue to buy NA-engined GT cars with stick-shifters for a while yet but given that most alternatives have DSG 'boxes now, I wouldn't be surprised in the 992 GT3 / 718 GT4 & Spyder are the last of that breed. It won't be economically viable to produce a manual just for one market - especially given that the US GT buyers will be getting younger and many in the US "don't drive stick" anyway.

Again, I very much hope to be proven wrong - though a manual shifter only available in a market in which I do not live is of no real benefit to me unless I go through the hassle of importing ...

[Twinfan]

The 718 GT4 is at the limit of the torque allowed by the manufacturers for the current 'box. Unless they increase the rev limit to get more power then they'll need a new manual 'box for any future versions. And with ICE on the way out, why would you pay for that development that will only have a very short lifespan?

I've said it before, but I think the GT4RS will be the swansong of the ICE Cayster platform before it goes fully electric.

[rthomp25]

I am not so sure - they developed the 4.0 Engine for the GT4/Spyder and now the GTS models,
surely they will put it in more upcoming cars....????

The technology just doesn't seem good enough for Porsche to go for a full electric sports car at the moment.

Time will tell I guess!

:-)

[JasonSteel]

Twinfan said:

The 718 GT4 is at the limit of the torque allowed by the manufacturers for the current 'box. Unless they increase the rev limit to get more power then they'll need a new manual 'box for any future versions. And with ICE on the way out, why would you pay for that development that will only have a very short lifespan?

I've said it before, but I think the GT4RS will be the swansong of the ICE Cayster platform before it goes fully electric.

i read somewhere there might be an 'R' at some point?

sorry, can't remember the source.

edit: found it: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/718-cayman...

Edited by JasonSteel on Monday 12th April 18:27

[av185]

Twinfan said:

av185 said:

Well not many buyers would want a forced induction engine in a Porsche GT thats for sure.

Oh I dunno, I'd happily take a GT2RS if it was the same price as my GT4.....

Haha you know I meant..... excluding the awesome GT2RS of course.

Fantastic package I ran a 2 year old one for few months early last year.

Still too expensive though imo and effectively redundant now for most of us with the nigh on half price 992 Turbo S which is way more focused than the 991.2 TTS and appears to have that magical mix of driver focus and usability at a sensible price too.

[NoBrakesWC]

190 cars full new engine
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