The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
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Twinfan said:
Exactly. I think the RS mule was a bit of fun and good initial testing for the engineers. I can't see it being made.
I still think it will happen. It doesn't make sense to let people see it if its not going to make it to production! Its an easy way to get some cash back for the development costs of the 4.0 engine. Also if they build in extremely limited numbers its not really going to be competing for sales against GT3. I just hope they offer a manual option.
anonymous said:
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I think a decision has already been made but they're not sharing it at the moment. With regards spy shots, the Speedster ones are clearly ones which have been staged by Porsche, therefore i think the fact that we havent seen GT4RS ones is down to Porsche not wanting us to see it yet.If it is to be built i guess we will start seeing spy shots in August/September of this year.
anonymous said:
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Fair enough. I guess not too much longer to wait then either way!With regards mules the first one of the 718 GT4 appeared around November last year, so not 18 months. Although there was a 981 GT4 mule which appeared around 12 months ago which was rumoured to be a RS model testing.
The 981
The 981 GT4 mule appeared around June/July 14 with launch in Feb 15, so there is still plenty of time for mules to be seen.
Also with the rushed launch of the .2RS, it shows that the guys at Porsche can get things done pretty quickly if they wish to do so.
Twinfan said:
That was the mule with extra foam in the wheel arches if I remember rightly. Bit of a stretch to say it was the RS IMHO, just a chassis testing mule and the beginning of the 718 GT4 testing program I suspect.
I agree that was not the mule, but a mule does exist according to the guy on Rennlist, we just havent seen it yet.otisdog said:
The Rennlist poster has said he has seen the car, and also said that it is the best car to come out of Weissach in a long time, and that's including the GT2 RS...
Yes, i saw that. If thats true and it as limited as you say there are going to be a lot of customers fighting over this car.
Where's Fokkers masseuse, she been quite for a while? Nimerino said:
Looks and sounds great. Could that be a RS mule?Twinfan said:
It would certainly cut down on the speculators if they did that as it would reduce potential profit and therefore demand would reduce a bit. Probably not enough to affect sales though, so I can see why it could be possible. Especially with a bespoke engine that needs the development paying for.
Demand has subsided for these cars already. 50 odd .2 GT3 available and i'd guess there are are a quite a few more to come on the market if more .2RS are to be built. I guess some might even trade their GT3 in, to get the GT4 as GT3's aren't even selling lol.I'm sure they will sell a lot, but many of these will appear for resale pretty much straight away with OPC's and DP's trying to cash in. As for actual customers who want the car, whether to drive or as investments, well those people are disappearing from the market very quickly!
The only cars IMO which are going to get decent overs in the next 12 months are Speedster and GT4RS(fingers crossed they build it). I'd guess the GT4 will initially be pricided at around £15-20k over list but that we drop quite quickly once the crooked OPC's start flipping them wholesale!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
2nd one of these to be flipped, that i've seen. Customers at this OPC must happy it went to somebody who want to use it lol.
Fokker said:
I'm not saying Cardiff do but some OPC's definitely have deals with certain people who get all the nice stuff and flip them straight back.
I suppose if I was making tens of thousands doing it I would be complaining but there is a very bad smell surrounding it. I'm just amazed that some dealers haven't been picked up on it. There are the better dealers though, those that operate on a fairer playing field.
I know of a guy who's had at least 3 if not 4 of the recent money makers and they've all been flipped back within weeks if not days.
Who's going to pick them up on it? As long as targets are reached or exceeded by OPC's everybody's happy, with the exception of customers who get strung along or fleeced by having to buy cars they don't want in order to secure allocations.I suppose if I was making tens of thousands doing it I would be complaining but there is a very bad smell surrounding it. I'm just amazed that some dealers haven't been picked up on it. There are the better dealers though, those that operate on a fairer playing field.
I know of a guy who's had at least 3 if not 4 of the recent money makers and they've all been flipped back within weeks if not days.
I agree not many would be complaining if they were the chosen few. lol
Every West Midlands dealer has their "very special car" customers lined up and it's the same guys everytime. It's got to the point where friends are becoming enemies as they are agreeing to share allocations and then end up getting gazumped by their so called pals. Foolishly the guy who didn't get the car he was promised by one OPC goes over to another OPC in the same group. I guess some people never learn. lol
It's a dog eat dog world when it comes to GT models these days.
I will say that some dealers are fair and clear about standard GT allocations.
Porsche911R said:
in the closed GT3 groups people are turning up with cars quite often so there is a overs market for them and there are buyers at £30k overs no issue.
OPC have sold at least 7 or 8 if not more manuals In the last 2 weeks, I follow the manual stock quite close. numbers stay about the same but the stock is rolling, there were 15 winged manuals all silver and blue last month, today only 8 cars with different colours hence at least 8+ cars sold in 2 weeks.
More tourings have arriving it was 1 now it's 5, (bumping up the manual figures) but there seem no slow down in winged manual GT3 selling, and why would there be it has no equals and makes the T look a stupid price.
It would be great to see list but you cannot even buy a 991.1 GT3 with 25k miles on for list yet, so it will never happen imo on the new cars for years.
The cheapest OPC car for sale is a 5 owner 2013 991.1 non bucket seated 27k mile car for £111k !!!
these were £101k list plus options.
If people expect gen 2 to be below list, cars like the above need to be £80k !
people are making overs on GT4, 997 etc etc so to get into a 991.2 Manual GT3 is list for these buyers at £30k overs as they already made the money selling a 997 In the 1st place, sell a 997 RS for £180k when they were £90k 4 years ago and pick up a manual 991.2 GT3 is a cheap swap still in the favor of the buyer at overs.
It great talking down or up the market, but cars are selling quite nicely imo and the prices seem to be the prices atm esp on the manual Winged cars, I don't follow PDK stock.
but 8+ cars in 2 weeks is good numbers, I would say we will run out of winged manual Stock at some point because it is the pinnacle of what Porsche or any one can do with a manual NA car, it's very rare in other brands, unless you want an MX5 lol
I have no need to talk the market up or down I am in the daft loop where I don't sell private so it makes no odds what I say, just interesting to see the nayslayers when in fact a lot of cars are selling at £40k+ overs atm
Fair enough. I don't really keep up to date on all cars. Just a quick glance every other day and it seems that there are loads for sale.OPC have sold at least 7 or 8 if not more manuals In the last 2 weeks, I follow the manual stock quite close. numbers stay about the same but the stock is rolling, there were 15 winged manuals all silver and blue last month, today only 8 cars with different colours hence at least 8+ cars sold in 2 weeks.
More tourings have arriving it was 1 now it's 5, (bumping up the manual figures) but there seem no slow down in winged manual GT3 selling, and why would there be it has no equals and makes the T look a stupid price.
It would be great to see list but you cannot even buy a 991.1 GT3 with 25k miles on for list yet, so it will never happen imo on the new cars for years.
The cheapest OPC car for sale is a 5 owner 2013 991.1 non bucket seated 27k mile car for £111k !!!
these were £101k list plus options.
If people expect gen 2 to be below list, cars like the above need to be £80k !
people are making overs on GT4, 997 etc etc so to get into a 991.2 Manual GT3 is list for these buyers at £30k overs as they already made the money selling a 997 In the 1st place, sell a 997 RS for £180k when they were £90k 4 years ago and pick up a manual 991.2 GT3 is a cheap swap still in the favor of the buyer at overs.
It great talking down or up the market, but cars are selling quite nicely imo and the prices seem to be the prices atm esp on the manual Winged cars, I don't follow PDK stock.
but 8+ cars in 2 weeks is good numbers, I would say we will run out of winged manual Stock at some point because it is the pinnacle of what Porsche or any one can do with a manual NA car, it's very rare in other brands, unless you want an MX5 lol
I have no need to talk the market up or down I am in the daft loop where I don't sell private so it makes no odds what I say, just interesting to see the nayslayers when in fact a lot of cars are selling at £40k+ overs atm
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 21st August 13:47
I have no skin in the game so makes no difference to me if they go up or down!
Some manual cars have stuck around for ages. The OPC i used to go to has a miami blue one for sale. They've had it since May. They bought from private seller for in the region of 150- 160K as seller had it up for 160K. Started off at £180K, now at £175K. I think they can drop it down to £165K and they still have trouble selling it.
I just want a GT4RS and i'll have to pay overs for it as i'm not getting Porsche T bagged by OPC's to get an allocation.
Edited by rkwm1 on Tuesday 21st August 14:08
sorry watched Deadpool too many times!
Edited by rkwm1 on Tuesday 21st August 14:12
Boxster_racer said:
I’m not a great driver, and PDK let’s me keep my hands on the wheel, and still be able to change gears ! 
Having said this, you’re comments do make me hesitate now... I should try a GT4 manual on a track to be able to compare and make up my mind. Does PEC offer this option do you know?
yes they do. i think its about £550Having said this, you’re comments do make me hesitate now... I should try a GT4 manual on a track to be able to compare and make up my mind. Does PEC offer this option do you know?
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