GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?

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av185 said:

MannyLon said:

av185 said:

Yep, newest 'used' OPC 4RS available with 100miles and merely a couple of weeks old at £16k overs.

Flippers delight especially with those chavvy yellow rimmed wheels lol.

As opposed to boring white

White rims never been an option thankfully.

Only Racing yellow at a very unreasonable £890. :

I have a personal aversion to the yellow rims. Seems very dated to my eye - each to their own though!

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Freakuk said:

15HN said:

Freakuk said:

15HN said:

For anyone in the know are the mag wheels worth it as an £11500 option, or to put it this way can you tell the difference on the road between alloy versus mag for anyone that has driven both?

The Mayfair car is now £2k over list but no CCB and no mag wheels with 2 previous owners and 7600 miles.

I cannot comment on your questions, but I've watched this one for a while, other similar specs are still a bit cheaper... I think it's got some more to give given the mileage.

I agree. They are under list cars.

I spoke with a well known reseller who I have bought from before and they said they would pay under list for a brand new car.

Interesting.

I've half given up looking for one now, given they'll be all of the '24 cars coming through and potentially '25 cars also, so there should be lots of choice towards the end of the year.

I did have an email from one dealer offering me a potential build slot, but I'd have to buy a car first, so no doubt the depreciation on buying an existing car would compensate for any overs on the right car.

In my experience, there’s not many “free lunches” with the RS, I’ve seen all the below happening:

Buy another car (friend had to do this with a Spyder then trade it back at a significant loss to him)
Take a poor trade in price on your current car
Take finance - whether you want it or not
Buy the matching watch
Take extras like ceramic coating from the dealer

Mind you our USA based cousins are still
Paying ADM of $40K plus for a car it seems….

On the subject of the Euro cyber stuff, I take it the rest of the world is unaffected (inc the US)? If so, suspect that many extra allocations will head that way

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Talking about OPCs ripping the backside out of things…. Sytner Edinburgh have a Spyder RS up for £239K - hilarious

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av185 said:

What is interesting is that there could to a degree be a reversal in the EU and other markets affected by the cyber issues re the previous excess supply of cars to date caused by production now ceasing and the opposite effect in the UK i.e. further price easing due to the increased supply of cars.

Prepare to be swamped by Spyders.

As previously posted it will be interesting seeing whether Porsche raise prices again this month.

Looks like bread and butter 718 are “sold out” in Germany but RS products are still available

https://configurator.porsche.com/de-DE/model-start...

Annual price rise will I suspect be over the coming couple of weeks - assuming they do raise prices again this year

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Planetstank said:

kmpowell said:

A few weeks ago I was quoted a £78,850 final payment for a brand new car on a 4yr PCP with lowest possible mileage (5kpa).

Hmm. Makes me wonder if it’s even worth it. I am told trade price would be less than list !

Don’t understand (I’m maybe being a bit slow - so forgive me ).
If you did PCP the car and kept for 4 years it would then be a case of paying £79K odd to buy it outright yourself? While 4 years is a long time in terms of the economy etc I’d still be pretty amazed if decent 4RS are not selling for close to double that sum at that stage - against a backdrop of its rarity and new gen EVs etc….

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ChrisW. said:

I agree ... still noisy but that was a part of its design spec.

What I wouldn't want to do now is spec one new and wish to sell it shortly afterwards (or wear ear protectors on long journeys?) ... so worth a decent test drive !

Not so easy to blag a test drive mind you. Have a oook on Rennlist there’s an owner who tested the noise levels V a 992 cab I think - wasn’t a lot in it on the cruise at normal revs - the high revs were where the very high noise levels were.

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Freakuk said:

MannyLon said:

Porsche-worm said:

I think once final numbers are totted up when they finish building them the GT4RS is going to be anything but rare.

They are bloody everywhere already, in fact all the newish GT cars have been built in huge numbers with people all believing they've managed to get a rare car. Car meets are awash with 992 GT3'S and 718 GT4'S and Spyders and theres generally at least one GT4RS at any Porsche car meet.

None of this distracts from how good the car is to drive of course but Porsche have done some really magic marketing to sell thousands and thousands of something and it still be perceived as rare.

Naa. Most common GT car I see are GT3. Honestly not seen many 4s or spyders on the road.

I've yet to see a 718 Spyder RS in the flesh let alone on the road. Only seen 1 GT4RS on the road, but plenty of 992 GT3's and 1 or 2 992 GT3RS's. I've seen a few 718 GT4's also.

I was at a Porsche meet 2 weeks ago with 178 cars and 992 GT3 was the most common of the GT range.

This….

I live in Central Scotland so in and around Glasgow/Edinburgh/Aberdeen and regularly in Central London also - I have never seen a GT4RS on the road yet anywhere (nevertheless a Spyder). I wouldn’t say I see lots of 991/2 GT3 but I do see them probably every month or two.

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TDT said:

As of start of April 2024

Interesting that UK GT4RS sold would seem to likely be very roughly around 5% of the total sold to date worldwide (basis 190 odd listed on howmanyleft as at quarter 3 last year). So maybe 350/400 cars by Q3 in 2025 - assuming similar levels of cars heading this way?

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MannyLon said:

Porsche-worm said:

7000 worldwide isn't a rare model,

Rare cars are things like

996 GT3RS - 600 ISH
997 Sports Classic - 250
997 GT3RS 4.0L
991R - 991
Cayman R -1621
987 Spyder - About 2000
And of course 992 speedster, ST and Sports Classic

Certainly not a car I'd be paying overs on.

Surely world wide figures don’t count

Agree, worldwide figures are not hugely relevant in the UK. Especially with the RHD issue. UK figures I would suggest therefore tend to stand alone. In a country with a population of 67M people I’m not sure it makes much odds even medium term whether Porsche sell a total 300 or 400 or whatever it ends up at. It’s still going to be a very rare sight indeed on the public highway and a fantastic drivers car/last of the line/one off etc etc…..
And, no, I’m not trying to talk the value up because I have an RS incoming in summer. I will do what I do with all my cars when it arrives - try and run it in quite soon then put some proper miles on it and enjoy it! It will be used most days for a mix of short and long drives. Life is short and I like to make the most of every drive I can.

Edited by finmac on Saturday 6th April 11:26

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MannyLon said:

finmac said:

Agree, worldwide figures are not hugely relevant in the UK. Especially with the RHD issue. UK figures I would suggest therefore tend to stand alone. In a country with a population of 67M people I’m not sure it makes much odds even medium term whether Porsche sell a total 300 or 400 or whatever it ends up at. It’s still going to be a very rare sight indeed on the public highway and a fantastic drivers car/last of the line/one off etc etc…..
And, no, I’m not trying to talk the value up because I have an RS incoming in summer. I will do what I do with all my cars when it arrives - try and run it in quite soon then put some proper miles on it and enjoy it! It will be used most days for a mix of short and long drives. Life is short and I like to make the most of every drive I can.

Edited by finmac on Saturday 6th April 11:26

When yours arriving? Spec?

ETA is currently early June to first week July.

I’ve gone the opposite to the crowd by going “stripper/regular use” spec, so:

Shark blue
No WP
Steel brakes
Club sport
Axle lift
LED lights
Racetex interior
Other wee bits like Light design pack/coloured belts/carbon sill etc

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TDT said:

finmac said:

ETA is currently early June to first week July.

I’ve gone the opposite to the crowd by going “stripper/regular use” spec, so:

Shark blue
No WP
Steel brakes
Club sport
Axle lift
LED lights
Racetex interior
Other wee bits like Light design pack/coloured belts/carbon sill etc

That’ll be nice. What colour wheels?

Thanks - went for the standard, the black are so hard to keep clean plus get a bit visually lost I feel. Considered Silver but not so sure with blue.

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av185 said:

Shrewd choice Finmac I much prefer the standard wheel design to the mags design anyway and would never pay extra for black or painted non pcccb calipers the red look great with the blue.

The standard finish on the wheels is a shade darker than the typical satin platinum of the GT3s (more like the GT4 wheels but even perhaps even a shade darker) so with steels which will shed a fair amount of brake dust the 4RS wheels will tend to look darker still I guess. Not a huge fan of silver/gold/blue/black wheels but the silver wouldn't be a bad choice given the darkening effect of the brake dust lol.

Given the limited number of Shark WP cars there is a high probability yours will be the only non WP Shark RS in the UK...now that is rarity!

Edited by av185 on Sunday 7th April 11:43

Thanks AV. Yea I spent a fair while thinking it through and hope it all looks OK when I see it in the flesh!

Went for the red accent pack to match calipers as I personally love the “PORSCHE” rear window logo. Re the carbon - I’ve had carbon on my Caterhams for decades now and also have a Lotus Exige with CF front end and spoiler etc, as such CF had zero novelty value for me. I don’t hugely like the CF bonnet and once you add in the stripe cost, it was £11K extra for zero performance gain.

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Thanks guys - yes be an interesting summer I’m sure!

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ChrisW. said:

finmac said:

Thanks guys - yes be an interesting summer I’m sure!

I've just noticed that you started this post in January 2022 ... well done indeed

Indeed, took 26 months but got there, hope the car proved worth playing the long game!

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Wonder if it was sold during winter and now up for sale again, as it had disappeared and I thought it had around 12K miles on previously (might be wrong in that one tho)?

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MannyLon said:

Yea, it’s funny. Porsche are where Ferrari used to be. Most don’t drive the cars

Crazy, you’re a long time dead after all and who really wants to be a care home dribbling into your soup being thankful that you never put many miles on your GT4RS? I plan to run my new car in within 4/6 weeks inc some business journeys then drive it most days. Likely 6K miles a year.

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rawenghey said:

finmac said:

Thanks - went for the standard, the black are so hard to keep clean plus get a bit visually lost I feel. Considered Silver but not so sure with blue.

This will look mega, really like it. Congrats

Thanks

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Freakuk said:

The Ashgood car has been on/off for around 6 months now, as said it's the ex-Porsche GB press car. I'd imagine it to be mechanically perfect but it's had a hard life.

I was offered a brand new car in build from an OPC a week ago out of nowhere, with an expected June/July delivery at list price. Spec was locked and I pondered for a while and ultimately missed out while thinking too long and hard about it, needless to say in hindsight I'm gutted.

I got wind of a new one at Cardiff, however it wasn't advertised on their site, but they had listed it on their socials. Once I'd found it I contacted them but it had sold the day before.

It feels like we're close to seeing these cars reducing back to list/near list price now and it's a case of waiting and finding the right one. Clearly OPC's don't want to take the financial hit but a lot are not moving so time will tell.

Definitely a few cars trickling through now, cancelled orders in particular. Suspect that even then when you get down to detail the dealer will be pushing some stuff as “essential” - take your pick from, the watch, finance, ceramic coating, low value trade in/high cost SOR. The other big thing with cancelled order is the cars likely not your colour and will have stuff you don’t want/value and probably stuff you do want will be missing!

Saying all that and on a positive note, I do see a wee bit of a parallel just now with when I bought my first new GT4 back in 2020. People ahead of me in the queue had pulled out (Covid/economy etc) and I got a new build offer at list with no conditions. Thing is, I had to decide there and then really as they had others waiting on the sidelines. So, if I have any advice to give, keep looking/calling/leaving your name and be ready to go the minute a slot appears….

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av185 said:

£78k is a joke bearing in mind 9 year old 981 GT4s can still sell at that.

Nothing new of course these figures have never been accurate metrics of true market residuals.

I always consider these numbers with more than a hint of hilarity. It does however leave me considering a little what the likely value of the 4RS will be in 4 years. Maybe I’m a bit naive but I guess I’d expect mine to be somewhere around list still (£132K) at that stage. After all we will be living in some kind of dystopian post ICE small Porsche GT era with EV as the only offering. Meantime, I’m going to use my car lots, run the miles on and generally have fun .

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P40L VX said:

PRO5T said:

A yellow one coming up on collecting cars soon.

I wonder what an ECU fault is?? "A replacement engine was fitted under warranty by Porsche at 854 miles, following the first owner complaining about an ECU fault"

Wow, thought these GT3 engines were bullet proof? That back story isn’t going to help the guy get top dollar on CC!