Chris Harris GT4 review
Discussion
AdamV12V said:
IMIA said:
sorry £84k and thats without colour to sample in Gulf Blue so £90k in a special colour lol. This is not spec I'd go for but suspect its typical. I'd happily buy a used manual 981 Cayman for £40k if I really wanted a Cayman - it will be almost as good for less than half the cost. GT4 doesn't even look all that quick on track and whilst Harris was trying to be enthusiastic you can tell the engine was a bit of a disappointment compared to the GT3
I don't quite understand where you are going with this matey? Firstly your spec is not typical at all, its actually the most expensive I have seen anybody put together on all the various forums. £76k with std brakes or £81k with PCCB it the top end anybody is doing and realistically many are speccing strippers at around £68k.Your comparison to an old Cayman makes no sense either - its an old car. If you must make a comparison to the 981 then like for like has to be a brand new GTS at which point the price difference is minimal and 12mths down the line after the first years depreciation the GT4 is likely to end up costing far less to own.
Still not sure what NEW car you think represents better value for money as a drivers car than the GT4 at this price. The GT4 was never going to be a better car than the GT3, Porsche just wouldn't want that, but it seems to me that its delivering 90% of a GT3 experience for 65% of the price. Surely that has to make it a bargain in anybody's book.
Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
IMIA said:
GTR maybe? New R8 V8? GT4 with Ceramics , Cage etc its £80k so lets not split hairs. Spec to have on this is defo colour to sample, ceramics and club sport package IMO. I'll be surprised if anyone leaves off aircon and PCM too. A new basic manual Cayman for £39.6k?
Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
Is it really more daft than a £150k 911? Speccing a turbo s or gt3 rs to the same (slightly crazy IMO) level you did to the Cayman, you can get to £150k without too much effort vs a basic manual 911 carrera at £73.5k?Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
isaldiri said:
IMIA said:
GTR maybe? New R8 V8? GT4 with Ceramics , Cage etc its £80k so lets not split hairs. Spec to have on this is defo colour to sample, ceramics and club sport package IMO. I'll be surprised if anyone leaves off aircon and PCM too. A new basic manual Cayman for £39.6k?
Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
Is it really more daft than a £150k 911? Speccing a turbo s or gt3 rs to the same (slightly crazy IMO) level you did to the Cayman, you can get to £150k without too much effort vs a basic manual 911 carrera at £73.5k?Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
IMIA said:
AdamV12V said:
IMIA said:
sorry £84k and thats without colour to sample in Gulf Blue so £90k in a special colour lol. This is not spec I'd go for but suspect its typical. I'd happily buy a used manual 981 Cayman for £40k if I really wanted a Cayman - it will be almost as good for less than half the cost. GT4 doesn't even look all that quick on track and whilst Harris was trying to be enthusiastic you can tell the engine was a bit of a disappointment compared to the GT3
I don't quite understand where you are going with this matey? Firstly your spec is not typical at all, its actually the most expensive I have seen anybody put together on all the various forums. £76k with std brakes or £81k with PCCB it the top end anybody is doing and realistically many are speccing strippers at around £68k.Your comparison to an old Cayman makes no sense either - its an old car. If you must make a comparison to the 981 then like for like has to be a brand new GTS at which point the price difference is minimal and 12mths down the line after the first years depreciation the GT4 is likely to end up costing far less to own.
Still not sure what NEW car you think represents better value for money as a drivers car than the GT4 at this price. The GT4 was never going to be a better car than the GT3, Porsche just wouldn't want that, but it seems to me that its delivering 90% of a GT3 experience for 65% of the price. Surely that has to make it a bargain in anybody's book.
Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
A GTR is £78k going on £85k when specced up, so close on price (albeit still a little more), I will give you but one is a light nimble sports car and the other a huge GT battleship. For me at least the Datsun holds no appeal as a purchase prospect. Sure a base Cayman is £39.6k but then a base GT4 is £64.5k - like for like, specced up the same as your £80k GT4 the price of the base Cayman rises to £65k which again makes the GT4 look good value to say the least.
Look at it as a Carrera S for just £80k - does it then look quite so daft? The GT4 has a Carrera S engine, GT3 parts, GT car exclusivity and it's lighter and faster that the Carrera S too. Then suddenly it looks like a bargain!
If you don't like the car then that's fine, move on and don't buy one - leaves more for the rest of us, but with all due respect you are spouting twaddle.
IMIA said:
GTR maybe? New R8 V8? GT4 with Ceramics , Cage etc its £80k so lets not split hairs. Spec to have on this is defo colour to sample, ceramics and club sport package IMO. I'll be surprised if anyone leaves off aircon and PCM too. A new basic manual Cayman for £39.6k?
Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
In terms of value think of it in comparison to a normal 991,it's tremendous value.Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
bespoke wheels,bodykit, rear suspension, tyres , steering from the 991gt3 ,front suspension and brakes from the gt3 etc
The same interior more or less as a 991 turbo s
To my mind it makes the 991 range bar the gt3 vastly overpriced.
franki68 said:
IMIA said:
GTR maybe? New R8 V8? GT4 with Ceramics , Cage etc its £80k so lets not split hairs. Spec to have on this is defo colour to sample, ceramics and club sport package IMO. I'll be surprised if anyone leaves off aircon and PCM too. A new basic manual Cayman for £39.6k?
Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
In terms of value think of it in comparison to a normal 991,it's tremendous value.Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
bespoke wheels,bodykit, rear suspension, tyres , steering from the 991gt3 ,front suspension and brakes from the gt3 etc
The same interior more or less as a 991 turbo s
To my mind it makes the 991 range bar the gt3 vastly overpriced.
Walked into Hatfield OPC and they had a new 991 Carrera 4S cab. It was something like £128k - honestly couldn't believe it.
AdamV12V said:
IMIA said:
AdamV12V said:
IMIA said:
sorry £84k and thats without colour to sample in Gulf Blue so £90k in a special colour lol. This is not spec I'd go for but suspect its typical. I'd happily buy a used manual 981 Cayman for £40k if I really wanted a Cayman - it will be almost as good for less than half the cost. GT4 doesn't even look all that quick on track and whilst Harris was trying to be enthusiastic you can tell the engine was a bit of a disappointment compared to the GT3
I don't quite understand where you are going with this matey? Firstly your spec is not typical at all, its actually the most expensive I have seen anybody put together on all the various forums. £76k with std brakes or £81k with PCCB it the top end anybody is doing and realistically many are speccing strippers at around £68k.Your comparison to an old Cayman makes no sense either - its an old car. If you must make a comparison to the 981 then like for like has to be a brand new GTS at which point the price difference is minimal and 12mths down the line after the first years depreciation the GT4 is likely to end up costing far less to own.
Still not sure what NEW car you think represents better value for money as a drivers car than the GT4 at this price. The GT4 was never going to be a better car than the GT3, Porsche just wouldn't want that, but it seems to me that its delivering 90% of a GT3 experience for 65% of the price. Surely that has to make it a bargain in anybody's book.
Not trying to be adversarial but £80k is daft for a Cayman IMO.
A GTR is £78k going on £85k when specced up, so close on price (albeit still a little more), I will give you but one is a light nimble sports car and the other a huge GT battleship. For me at least the Datsun holds no appeal as a purchase prospect. Sure a base Cayman is £39.6k but then a base GT4 is £64.5k - like for like, specced up the same as your £80k GT4 the price of the base Cayman rises to £65k which again makes the GT4 look good value to say the least.
Look at it as a Carrera S for just £80k - does it then look quite so daft? The GT4 has a Carrera S engine, GT3 parts, GT car exclusivity and it's lighter and faster that the Carrera S too. Then suddenly it looks like a bargain!
If you don't like the car then that's fine, move on and don't buy one - leaves more for the rest of us, but with all due respect you are spouting twaddle.
av185 said:
IMIA said:
£80k for a well specced GT4. Daft...
Not as daft as the likely £95k which will PROBABLY have to be paid for a second hand one in 12 months time.........limited production numbers permitting, that is.....
The Lotus Evora 400 is likely the better car than the GT4. 15 more HP, sublime chassis, best steering in the world, brand new 100% leather interior and dash, and it looks like a £200k+ supercar. Pricing is going to be about the same as a mid spec GT4. Hardly any options on the Lotus because it comes fully loaded. Residuals on the Lotus will be much better than the GT4 I would expect.
So for me I am keeping my BGTS and will add an Evora400 to the garage instead of a GT4. Best of both worlds.
I am wondering what all the hoopla is about this car compared to a CGTS? It performs within .5 of a second to 60mph but has no PDK option (stupid Porsche, stupid!) and the whole car screams Japanese boy racer stick-on bodykit and looks, well... naf really.
So for me I am keeping my BGTS and will add an Evora400 to the garage instead of a GT4. Best of both worlds.
I am wondering what all the hoopla is about this car compared to a CGTS? It performs within .5 of a second to 60mph but has no PDK option (stupid Porsche, stupid!) and the whole car screams Japanese boy racer stick-on bodykit and looks, well... naf really.
I wouldn't get caught up on what Mr Harris says. He is basically in Porsche's employ so you get the official line which will be 'the GT4 is good but not - and never will be - as good as a GT3'.
In reality, to the objective driver it may well be a better car. I think that it may well be.
In reality, to the objective driver it may well be a better car. I think that it may well be.
and thankyou so much Porsche for giving us a manual box.
wevster said:
I find Chris Harris videos quite tedious, totally the same every time, fine if you like him though.
His usual drivel unfortunately. I wouldn't hold your breath if your hoping for better things to come, I'm afraid his stuff will only get worse as he gets more mainstream.I see Clarkson has been suspended by the BBC and the last three episodes of TG canned as a result. Someone on 911 UK suggested Tiffany Dell, Vicki NVH and The Monkey as being the way forward for the presenters on a new motoring programme.......All I can say is god help us if an "enthusiast" thinks that would be progress......
And on that bombshell
Slippydiff said:
His usual drivel unfortunately. I wouldn't hold your breath if your hoping for better things to come, I'm afraid his stuff will only get worse as he gets more mainstream.
I see Clarkson has been suspended by the BBC and the last three episodes of TG canned as a result. Someone on 911 UK suggested Tiffany Dell, Vicki NVH and The Monkey as being the way forward for the presenters on a new motoring programme.......All I can say is god help us if an "enthusiast" thinks that would be progress......
Speaking of which, where'd Autocar's Steve Sutcliffe disappear to? He's not written anything, nor been in any videos in months.I see Clarkson has been suspended by the BBC and the last three episodes of TG canned as a result. Someone on 911 UK suggested Tiffany Dell, Vicki NVH and The Monkey as being the way forward for the presenters on a new motoring programme.......All I can say is god help us if an "enthusiast" thinks that would be progress......
Goofnik said:
Slippydiff said:
His usual drivel unfortunately. I wouldn't hold your breath if your hoping for better things to come, I'm afraid his stuff will only get worse as he gets more mainstream.
I see Clarkson has been suspended by the BBC and the last three episodes of TG canned as a result. Someone on 911 UK suggested Tiffany Dell, Vicki NVH and The Monkey as being the way forward for the presenters on a new motoring programme.......All I can say is god help us if an "enthusiast" thinks that would be progress......
Speaking of which, where'd Autocar's Steve Sutcliffe disappear to? He's not written anything, nor been in any videos in months.I see Clarkson has been suspended by the BBC and the last three episodes of TG canned as a result. Someone on 911 UK suggested Tiffany Dell, Vicki NVH and The Monkey as being the way forward for the presenters on a new motoring programme.......All I can say is god help us if an "enthusiast" thinks that would be progress......
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