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CJP80 said:
So Jack, GTS is as fast as your slightly track fettled 996.2 GT3. Mighty impressive.
Yep. You guys must be pretty happy with that. GTS felt much more modern. Nothing like as raw as the GT3, but very fast and great fun. In reality the GT3 may have had a couple of extra tenths in it if he'd ridden the curbs like he did in the Cayman. He was respecting the splitter 
Great fun comparing the two though. Both great cars. Shows how much the GT3 game has moved on though when you compare the 996 time to the 991 times around Blyton.
Forgot to add a link to the vid: http://youtu.be/NTv1iNB9gJA
jackwood said:
Yep. You guys must be pretty happy with that. GTS felt much more modern. Nothing like as raw as the GT3, but very fast and great fun. In reality the GT3 may have had a couple of extra tenths in it if he'd ridden the curbs like he did in the Cayman. He was respecting the splitter
Great fun comparing the two though. Both great cars. Shows how much the GT3 game has moved on though when you compare the 996 time to the 991 times around Blyton.
What's the difference, 991 vs. 996?Great fun comparing the two though. Both great cars. Shows how much the GT3 game has moved on though when you compare the 996 time to the 991 times around Blyton.
Also, does your car run a track compound?
I normally run Pirelli Trofeo on track but they thought that a bit unfair. So used some Yoko AD08R's. Not bad but the Pirellis on the Cayman were just as good once we got the pressures sorted. The track was actually really low grip compared to normal. The whole track had been under a foot of water the day before so the track was green. And brown. Covered in fine silt.
Cayman R best of both then ;-)
lighter again than both and proper steering unlike the GTS
YOU can see why I swapped and think the Cayman R is the best car I have owned :-)
dial in the geo on the GTS and it has the GT3 licked, dial in the Cayman R and it has both licked as a drivers car, all the feel of the GT3 and the balance of the GTS.
Still hoping Porsche get this GT4 right.....
lighter again than both and proper steering unlike the GTS
YOU can see why I swapped and think the Cayman R is the best car I have owned :-)
dial in the geo on the GTS and it has the GT3 licked, dial in the Cayman R and it has both licked as a drivers car, all the feel of the GT3 and the balance of the GTS.
Still hoping Porsche get this GT4 right.....
mrdemon said:
Cayman R best of both then ;-)
lighter again than both and proper steering unlike the GTS
YOU can see why I swapped and think the Cayman R is the best car I have owned :-)
dial in the geo on the GTS and it has the GT3 licked, dial in the Cayman R and it has both licked as a drivers car, all the feel of the GT3 and the balance of the GTS.
Still hoping Porsche get this GT4 right.....
They should compare the Cayman R to the Cayman GTS as I had an R for a few days and a 981 Cayman S and on the road the 981 Cayman S was better, but mainly as the suspension was a little softer so dealt with crap roads better. The GTS with sports suspension on track should be as good if not better than the R as the 981 chassis is an improvement.lighter again than both and proper steering unlike the GTS
YOU can see why I swapped and think the Cayman R is the best car I have owned :-)
dial in the geo on the GTS and it has the GT3 licked, dial in the Cayman R and it has both licked as a drivers car, all the feel of the GT3 and the balance of the GTS.
Still hoping Porsche get this GT4 right.....
Jack knew I recognised your car, looked great and impressive for sure, shows how capable a GT3. The newer variants 997 and 991 must be bonkers quick in right hands on track.
I'm sticking with my 911 though, I just prefer the drive of it compared to the Caymans.
Did the car have PTV also?
Agree about R but 981 a better platform and looks much nicer. Just missing the mechanical rack. Also think GTS exhaust note is better than R's but that may be down to the symposer it's supposed to have piping sound through the firewall.
Interestingly, the 991 GT3 is nearly 3 seconds faster.
Agree about R but 981 a better platform and looks much nicer. Just missing the mechanical rack. Also think GTS exhaust note is better than R's but that may be down to the symposer it's supposed to have piping sound through the firewall.
Interestingly, the 991 GT3 is nearly 3 seconds faster.
Edited by 981cGTS on Sunday 1st March 09:54
Gibbo205 said:
They should compare the Cayman R to the Cayman GTS as I had an R for a few days and a 981 Cayman S and on the road the 981 Cayman S was better, but mainly as the suspension was a little softer so dealt with crap roads better. The GTS with sports suspension on track should be as good if not better than the R as the 981 chassis is an improvement.
Jack knew I recognised your car, looked great and impressive for sure, shows how capable a GT3. The newer variants 997 and 991 must be bonkers quick in right hands on track.
I'm sticking with my 911 though, I just prefer the drive of it compared to the Caymans.
I have driven the GTS on track and it feels a bit soft and very easy to drive esp with PDK (which I drove) I was also melting tyres in about 3 laps at the PEC, the R is far more focused and tons more feel, as I said imo the best of both having owned 2 and driven all 3. yes a 981 will ride the bumps better (well not better but will feel smoother) but the X73 Car will feel the same.Jack knew I recognised your car, looked great and impressive for sure, shows how capable a GT3. The newer variants 997 and 991 must be bonkers quick in right hands on track.
I'm sticking with my 911 though, I just prefer the drive of it compared to the Caymans.
Chassis is stiff enough on all 3 cars, why the GTS (981) turns in better is the front wider track, I have widened the front track only on my car to 981 levels, it's just that pesky 981 steering letting the car down as a real driver focused car esp when it rains the feel goes in the 981's.
but as Jack says a nice choice of 3 great cars to choose from which will all lap dead on the same times give or take and out drive all of us ;-)
and there are buyers for all 3 as can be seen here and Porsche used car sales.
AS I said if the GT4 has the 3.8 lump a set of 6 pots and about 380 BHp it's going to be a weapon.
Standing on the pit wall at Blyton the GTS sounded MUCH louder than my GT3 going flat out down the back straight. It produced all kinds of pops and crackles on the overrun that I've never heard out of a production 996, 997 or 987 of any variant. It sounded great from the outside. If a little, manufactured. And that's the noise on the outside, not the inside. No doubt about it making a great noise.
The GT3 wasn't as loud or brash but more "natural", if that makes any kind of sense.
The GT3 wasn't as loud or brash but more "natural", if that makes any kind of sense.
mrdemon said:
Cayman R best of both then ;-)
lighter again than both and proper steering unlike the GTS
YOU can see why I swapped and think the Cayman R is the best car I have owned :-)
dial in the geo on the GTS and it has the GT3 licked, dial in the Cayman R and it has both licked as a drivers car, all the feel of the GT3 and the balance of the GTS.
Still hoping Porsche get this GT4 right.....
Ok I'll bite , no doubt the Cayman R is a great car, in fact if I had the money spare I would run one alongside my GT3, so in no way am I disrespecting what is an excellent car, HOWEVER !!!!!! Please please stop slagging off GT3's at every opportunity, as good as it is ,in no way shape or form either dynamically or aesthetically is a Cayman R a better car than a GT3.lighter again than both and proper steering unlike the GTS
YOU can see why I swapped and think the Cayman R is the best car I have owned :-)
dial in the geo on the GTS and it has the GT3 licked, dial in the Cayman R and it has both licked as a drivers car, all the feel of the GT3 and the balance of the GTS.
Still hoping Porsche get this GT4 right.....
I mean look at it for a start,
And after 2500 miles around Europe last week in mine I don't think there are many things that are a better drive, and the Cayman R is not one of them.
jackwood said:
But would I have either a Cayman R or a GTS over my GT3? No thank you very much. Neither would Jethro.
Nice that there is a choice though.
Jack, thanks. I'd agree. porsche motorsport pedigree is something else.Nice that there is a choice though.
the rumoured GT4 having porsche motorsport involvement bodes well. Did you gleam anything form jethro on that front?
The 981 Sports exhaust makes the popping sounds, they sound epic.
Yes widening front track gives a big improvement, I've done that to my 997 and it eradicated all the understeer.
As others have said I love all the Porsche models but for me it's 911 and GT3 is king on track drivers being equal.
Yes widening front track gives a big improvement, I've done that to my 997 and it eradicated all the understeer.
As others have said I love all the Porsche models but for me it's 911 and GT3 is king on track drivers being equal.
Edited by Gibbo205 on Wednesday 9th July 20:58
pete a said:
Ok I'll bite , no doubt the Cayman R is a great car, in fact if I had the money spare I would run one alongside my GT3, so in no way am I disrespecting what is an excellent car, HOWEVER !!!!!! Please please stop slagging off GT3's at every opportunity, as good as it is ,in no way shape or form either dynamically or aesthetically is a Cayman R a better car than a GT3.
I mean look at it for a start,
And after 2500 miles around Europe last week in mine I don't think there are many things that are a better drive, and the Cayman R is not one of them.
when you say bite you mean make up your own sI mean look at it for a start,
And after 2500 miles around Europe last week in mine I don't think there are many things that are a better drive, and the Cayman R is not one of them.
t ?where am I slagging off the GT3 THIS TIME ? I Said 3 great cars with buyers for all 3 !!
paranoid or what ! every one is going to have a view and buy which one they like best. I cannot help you bought the wrong one :-p
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