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MPorsche said:
Plenty on the used market to chose from
... for at least £10k above list, and in a very interesting (manipulated!) market.I have a provisional GT4 order (deposit paid, and awaiting an allocation at the end of the year), so I've been tracking all the OPC cars daily for the past 2-3 months, and there appears to be some constant trends appearing that are common practice amongst OPC's, which means they are fixing the market.
Knowing what I know, I wouldn't buy used, because the 'solid' values that are projected are in fact not quite that solid, unless you have specific spec cars.
julian987R said:
Budweiser said:
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umbrella I bet. kmpowell said:
MPorsche said:
Plenty on the used market to chose from
... for at least £10k above list, and in a very interesting (manipulated!) market.I have a provisional GT4 order (deposit paid, and awaiting an allocation at the end of the year), so I've been tracking all the OPC cars daily for the past 2-3 months, and there appears to be some constant trends appearing that are common practice amongst OPC's, which means they are fixing the market.
Knowing what I know, I wouldn't buy used, because the 'solid' values that are projected are in fact not quite that solid, unless you have specific spec cars.
tbh I would have no issue paying a premium if the exact car was available second hand and I will compromise as I am never gonna find what I want used just no fancy for paying someone such a massive premium for something that isn't close to what I want,think I would rather look at something else, the GTS starts to look value in comparison.
kmpowell said:
MPorsche said:
Plenty on the used market to chose from
... for at least £10k above list, and in a very interesting (manipulated!) market.I have a provisional GT4 order (deposit paid, and awaiting an allocation at the end of the year), so I've been tracking all the OPC cars daily for the past 2-3 months, and there appears to be some constant trends appearing that are common practice amongst OPC's, which means they are fixing the market.
Knowing what I know, I wouldn't buy used, because the 'solid' values that are projected are in fact not quite that solid, unless you have specific spec cars.
MPorsche said:
kmpowell said:
MPorsche said:
Plenty on the used market to chose from
... for at least £10k above list, and in a very interesting (manipulated!) market.I have a provisional GT4 order (deposit paid, and awaiting an allocation at the end of the year), so I've been tracking all the OPC cars daily for the past 2-3 months, and there appears to be some constant trends appearing that are common practice amongst OPC's, which means they are fixing the market.
Knowing what I know, I wouldn't buy used, because the 'solid' values that are projected are in fact not quite that solid, unless you have specific spec cars.
1. OPC's in general initially put the GT'4 on sale at a higher price, they then do one of the following:
- Leave it at a price regardless if it sells or not i.e. Both these have been sat for sale for months and months at the same unchanged price
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
- Slowly reduce the price over 2-3 weeks to a level that is 'bottom of market', then if it doesn't sell remove it from view for a week and then reintroduce again at the high price and start the reduction cycle again. An example of this is Sheffield Porsche who do this their cars. Both these were over £100k a few weeks ago and are now at the bottom of the cycle again, and both cars were in the same cycle the previous month:
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
- Remove it from market (appearing to be sold) and a few weeks later it reappears (sometimes with another owner on the 'previous owners' number and at a slightly increased price):
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202107014...
The only other OPC cars that appear to be selling (that have not reappeared), are:
Crayon cars that are circa £90k (regardless of spec). In the past month 3 of these have appeared and disappear in a matter of 24/48hours.
Silver cars that are sub £90k (regardless of spec). 2 examples of these have appeared and disappeared on the OPC in the last week alone, both at £89k.
Everything else is either brand new to market or going through one of the cycles above. Then you start looking at non-OPC cars. These just sit unsold at OPC price levels, or get passed/sold between dealer to dealer with the price increasing each time. Both the red and white cars at Ashgood have been with them for a while, both Redline cars, both cars at Gravelwood. All the £100K+ speculatively priced PDK cars are unsold. There was one car that flew out (gone in 3 days) a months ago, which was the manual Black one at DMB and that can only be because it was decently priced at £91k.
There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but the only cars that appear to be selling are cars c£90k which are in a conservative colour combo and/or crayon cars.
Edited by kmpowell on Saturday 25th September 13:04
kmpowell said:
I agree it seems to be a stock of sometimes as low as 17 but never above 25. My observations and conclusions of it (yes I am that much OCD when it comes to prices because for me this is a big spend I'm making)...
1. OPC's in general initially put the GT'4 on sale at a higher price, they then do one of the following:
- Leave it at a price regardless if it sells or not i.e. Both these have been sat for sale for months and months at the same unchanged price
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
- Slowly reduce the price over 2-3 weeks to a level that is 'bottom of market', then if it doesn't sell remove it from view for a week and then reintroduce again at the high price and start the reduction cycle again. An example of this is Sheffield Porsche who do this their cars. Both these were over £100k a few weeks ago and are now at the bottom of the cycle again, and both cars were in the same cycle the previous month:
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
- Remove it from market (appearing to be sold) and a few weeks later it reappears with another owner on the 'previous owners' number and at a slightly increased price:
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
The only other OPC cars that appear to be selling (that have not reappeared), are:
Crayon cars that are circa £90k (regardless of spec). In the past month 3 of these have appeared and disappear in a matter of 24/48hours.
Silver cars that are sub £90k (regardless of spec). 2 examples of these have appeared and disappeared on the OPC in the last week alone, both at £89k.
Everything else is either brand new to market or going through one of the cycles above. Then you start looking at non-OPC cars. These just sit unsold at OPC price levels, or get passed/sold between dealer to dealer with the price increasing each time. Both the red and white cars at Ashgood have been with them for a while, both Redline cars, both cars at Gravelwood. All the £100K+ speculatively priced PDK cars are unsold. There was one car that flew out (gone in 3 days) a months ago, which was the manual Black one at DMB and that can only be because it was decently priced at £91k.
There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but the only cars that appear to be selling are cars c£90k which are in a conservative colour combo and/or crayon cars.
Yes I agree. The crayon one (v similar spec to mine) sold within days at ~£100k, crayon cars don’t seem to hang around long.1. OPC's in general initially put the GT'4 on sale at a higher price, they then do one of the following:
- Leave it at a price regardless if it sells or not i.e. Both these have been sat for sale for months and months at the same unchanged price
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
- Slowly reduce the price over 2-3 weeks to a level that is 'bottom of market', then if it doesn't sell remove it from view for a week and then reintroduce again at the high price and start the reduction cycle again. An example of this is Sheffield Porsche who do this their cars. Both these were over £100k a few weeks ago and are now at the bottom of the cycle again, and both cars were in the same cycle the previous month:
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
- Remove it from market (appearing to be sold) and a few weeks later it reappears with another owner on the 'previous owners' number and at a slightly increased price:
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
The only other OPC cars that appear to be selling (that have not reappeared), are:
Crayon cars that are circa £90k (regardless of spec). In the past month 3 of these have appeared and disappear in a matter of 24/48hours.
Silver cars that are sub £90k (regardless of spec). 2 examples of these have appeared and disappeared on the OPC in the last week alone, both at £89k.
Everything else is either brand new to market or going through one of the cycles above. Then you start looking at non-OPC cars. These just sit unsold at OPC price levels, or get passed/sold between dealer to dealer with the price increasing each time. Both the red and white cars at Ashgood have been with them for a while, both Redline cars, both cars at Gravelwood. All the £100K+ speculatively priced PDK cars are unsold. There was one car that flew out (gone in 3 days) a months ago, which was the manual Black one at DMB and that can only be because it was decently priced at £91k.
There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but the only cars that appear to be selling are cars c£90k which are in a conservative colour combo and/or crayon cars.
I tried to do a deal on a Gentian car at Brooklands which they had for around 6m. They wouldn’t budge, they even put the price up as you noted. In the end it went , helped by a very bid market I suspect.
BlackWidow13 said:
kmpowell said:
Both the red and white cars at Ashgood have been with them for a while,
The red one appears to have been sold. A small thing I also noticed is the descriptions are mixed up. The white one has the black bi-xenon upgrade, but it says in the description that it has LED's, and the red one has the LED's but says it has the Xenons.
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