12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[Twinfan]

TDT said:

I think thats more about owners perspective, than the car actually.
Really par for the course for GT cars and other Halo cars. How many people use them for the intend purpose or just drive them to the shops and back, or just enjoy looking at them and washing them.. each to their own at the end of the day... but its not the cars fault.

Indeed, fair points sir

[seawise]

nudgerwilliams said:

A mate had his in standard setting - I could follow him at 175 on the autobahn so it's not massively draggy, and around a track not convinced it's noticeably faster in the corners so I suspect any difference in downforce is minimal.

David

that's cause u had a 'tow' off me, you were always good at that during quali..

[trowelhead]

Twinfan said:

Which has nothing to do with how it drives, but it supports MrD's comments about his being his poseurs car...

I think it's good he admits it haha

[Twinfan]

trowelhead said:

I think it's good he admits it haha

[jcosh]

TDT said:

Has anyone removed front diffuser/aero flaps and Rear Wing adjustment?

Yes.

[Porsche911R]

Fokker said:

I had an R an it felt underpowered. The GT4 isn't exactly a missile but I dont ever find myself wanting more on the road really.
The GT4 is for me a much better car and to top it off, looks better too.

Each to their own. You're a fan of the CR are you David? I had no idea!

I am not sure how an R can feel under powered, it's a 10 second 100mph car on 235/265 tyres, in no way do I ever ask for more power.
How long can you WOT a R ? a few seconds at most on a good day, it's def not an underpowered road car !!

As many reviews state Porsche make better cars, that is true, they have to, to a point, but is better really better ?

Porsche make faster cars imo, that does not make them better, While the R feels ok in the power dept the GT4 feels underpowered imo and to get any fun from it I found myself doing >120mph most times I used it and that was still not that exciting to be honest, the gearing saps the life from the car like it does in the 981 Spyder I have also. I am hoping the new GT3 feels a step up in this dept, cars can have more power and be usable and alive.

Looks, well we come back to what I ended up using the car for, to be seen in and events ! was a great car for SCD, it would also make a great Track day car if people dare mod it, but a lass as many don't, it makes a very poor track car due to 1 part and people scared to change it out !

The GT4 still has no competition at it's price point even at overs, and is a great car over all, just a bit of owner ship bullst flying about like on the Spyder threads. lets face it most are lifestyle cars if not tracked.

Porsche make great cars and still better than anyone else's sports cars on the whole, that's not in question , but the Cayman R the 997 GT3s, the 987.2 range and the 997.2 GTS are really the sweet spot imo and all in manual form bloody hard to buy atm due to just this.

I still loved my GT4 as I love mid engine cars, but without mods it was never going to be a keeper in oem form, 435BHP, proper sus and a LW flywheel was very tempting but then my GT3 slot opened up and thus the GT3 cures many of the things I fell out with on the GT4.

The next GT4 might well be the car to have, but it's Geneva 2019 imo so a wait yet. in the mean time I run this over hyped 981 Spyder thing :-) which suffers even more problems than my GT4 but it's still better than most other brands of car at this price point, I just have to sit in it every day for 5 minutes before moving as it's always steamed up and I cannot open the F**king boot either !!!

have a read of this and let me know your thoughts. as others can put things on paper far better than I can, just change the car to GT4 and R over 981 spyder vs 987.2 Spyder. :-)

imo the review is spot on.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/1511-201...

this line is key and it goes into why
"What's maddening about the '16 Boxster Spyder is how it fails to live up to the last car, while being better in pretty much every tangible aspect"

you see this "better" word again....

[Fokker]

Porsche911R said:

I am not sure how an R can feel under powered, it's a 10 second 100mph car on 235/265 tyres, in no way do I ever ask for more power.
How long can you WOT a R ? a few seconds at most on a good day, it's def not an underpowered road car !!

As many reviews state Porsche make better cars, that is true, they have to, to a point, but is better really better ?

Porsche make faster cars imo, that does not make them better, While the R feels ok in the power dept the GT4 feels underpowered imo and to get any fun from it I found myself doing >120mph most times I used it and that was still not that exciting to be honest, the gearing saps the life from the car like it does in the 981 Spyder I have also. I am hoping the new GT3 feels a step up in this dept, cars can have more power and be usable and alive.

Looks, well we come back to what I ended up using the car for, to be seen in and events ! was a great car for SCD, it would also make a great Track day car if people dare mod it, but a lass as many don't, it makes a very poor track car due to 1 part and people scared to change it out !

The GT4 still has no competition at it's price point even at overs, and is a great car over all, just a bit of owner ship bullst flying about like on the Spyder threads. lets face it most are lifestyle cars if not tracked.

Porsche make great cars and still better than anyone else's sports cars on the whole, that's not in question , but the Cayman R the 997 GT3s, the 987.2 range and the 997.2 GTS are really the sweet spot imo and all in manual form bloody hard to buy atm due to just this.

I still loved my GT4 as I love mid engine cars, but without mods it was never going to be a keeper in oem form, 435BHP, proper sus and a LW flywheel was very tempting but then my GT3 slot opened up and thus the GT3 cures many of the things I fell out with on the GT4.

The next GT4 might well be the car to have, but it's Geneva 2019 imo so a wait yet. in the mean time I run this over hyped 981 Spyder thing :-) which suffers even more problems than my GT4 but it's still better than most other brands of car at this price point, I just have to sit in it every day for 5 minutes before moving as it's always steamed up and I cannot open the F**king boot either !!!

have a read of this and let me know your thoughts. as others can put things on paper far better than I can, just change the car to GT4 and R over 981 spyder vs 987.2 Spyder. :-)

imo the review is spot on.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/1511-201...

this line is key and it goes into why
"What's maddening about the '16 Boxster Spyder is how it fails to live up to the last car, while being better in pretty much every tangible aspect"

you see this "better" word again....

I'm not going to read it. It also looks just too much like a Cayman S for me. I want some drama for my tens of thousands and the CR doesn't give me that. Great chassis and steering yes but its just a bit slow. Nice little car to drive to Sainsburys in.

You want 435 bhp from a GT4 for it to satisfy you yet you are happy with 330 bhp from the CR? Na...
I was shooting at the weekend, tried a nice little 20 gauge browning, a ladies over and under... the CR of the shotgun world

[Porsche911R]

Fokker said:

I'm not going to read it. It also looks just too much like a Cayman S for me. I want some drama for my tens of thousands and the CR doesn't give me that. Great chassis and steering yes but its just a bit slow. Nice little car to drive to Sainsburys in.

You want 435 bhp from a GT4 for it to satisfy you yet you are happy with 330 bhp from the CR? Na...
I was shooting at the weekend, tried a nice little 20 gauge browning, a ladies over and under... the CR of the shotgun world

I think you missed every single point and why the R does not need any more power while the GT4 does.
or maybe you don't really care at all about how they drive.

If you refuse to read a review which explains things far better than me then that's that I guess, the GT4 also seems to be your posing car which is great.

People do seems to want cars to be seen in rather than drive, it's very apparent on this forum the sway towards a life style owner ship over a drivers one.

I only shoot .177 but then I need to hit a target 1" wide kill zone at 60 yards over pointing a shot gun in the gereral direction give or take a foot :-)

[Upnorthgt3]

Here we go again, now we’re arguing about the accuracy of shotguns............

I have to say two weeks in (and coming from a 997 GT3), that I understand why people are complimentary about the GT4 - it’s a great little car - yes you can pose in it (if that’s your bag), but it’s as good a drivers car in my opinion as the GT3 - miles more confidence inspiring, certainly for my skill set - i’m looking forward to the RS day at Oulton for its first outing and I’m even going to enjoy washing it.......

[topboss]

I’m a big fan of the GT4 myself and actually prefer it to my R.

Both great cars but for me the GT4 is the better package’ I love how it’s performance can be used so much more readily. I like to have to work a car, it’s where the pleasure and fun is for me.

[ChrisW.]

Quote "It's the driver that makes the difference, it's your inputs that go into the car" Stijn Peters, Project Manager in Toyota Europe's Z division and R&D lead on the Yaris GRMN.

What would he own as his own car ? Money no object, "I'd buy a Cayman GT4, I'd rather that than a GT3, in fact".

[GT4P]

Don't know where you get your figures from MrD but the manual CR is 10.7 secs to 100mph(porsche figures)
To put into context porsche official figures 0-124mph(manual)
CR 17.2s,981Gts 16.9s,Gt4 14.5s

[Fokker]

Porsche911R said:

I think you missed every single point and why the R does not need any more power while the GT4 does.
or maybe you don't really care at all about how they drive.

If you refuse to read a review which explains things far better than me then that's that I guess, the GT4 also seems to be your posing car which is great.

People do seems to want cars to be seen in rather than drive, it's very apparent on this forum the sway towards a life style owner ship over a drivers one.

I only shoot .177 but then I need to hit a target 1" wide kill zone at 60 yards over pointing a shot gun in the gereral direction give or take a foot :-)

Haha - Its certainly not a posing car for me. I look so good driving past all the sheep here in the deepest dark Wales!

Edited by Fokker on Thursday 25th January 14:24

[GT4P]

With you on this one Fokker felt the same way about the 987 Spyder especially with the long gearing which by the way is the same ratios as Gt4 but has smaller wheels so slightly lower in gear speeds,the manual 981S/Gts must be even worse with the bigger wheels and yet again same gearing. I suspect the acceleration times of CR v Gts are down to size of wheels as 10hp really makes very little if any difference which is also true for 987.2S (18" wheels std) v 987.2CR(19"wheels std)

[Heathrow]

Upnorthgt3 said:

Here we go again, now we’re arguing about the accuracy of shotguns............

I have to say two weeks in (and coming from a 997 GT3), that I understand why people are complimentary about the GT4 - it’s a great little car - yes you can pose in it (if that’s your bag), but it’s as good a drivers car in my opinion as the GT3 - miles more confidence inspiring, certainly for my skill set - i’m looking forward to the RS day at Oulton for its first outing and I’m even going to enjoy washing it.......

Can you expand on the comparison (997.1 or 997.2)? Interested to hear more detail about how they compare, given they are very different machines in many ways but ultimately probably post pretty similar in lap times.

[Upnorthgt3]

Heathrow said:

Upnorthgt3 said:

Here we go again, now we’re arguing about the accuracy of shotguns............

I have to say two weeks in (and coming from a 997 GT3), that I understand why people are complimentary about the GT4 - it’s a great little car - yes you can pose in it (if that’s your bag), but it’s as good a drivers car in my opinion as the GT3 - miles more confidence inspiring, certainly for my skill set - i’m looking forward to the RS day at Oulton for its first outing and I’m even going to enjoy washing it.......

Can you expand on the comparison (997.1 or 997.2)? Interested to hear more detail about how they compare, given they are very different machines in many ways but ultimately probably post pretty similar in lap times.

No worries

997.1 GT3 btw - I suspect the comparison doesn’t work quite so well for the .2

You’re right about lap times - in most cases, on most tracks they are quite similar, but things like 0-60 times are nearly identical so it’s not unexpected. A friend of mine who is a very good driver found it very difficult to pass a well driven GT4 in a 991 GT3 at the RS day at Oulton last year - that probably says a lot about the on track performance, mainly braking and carrying corner speed, which is why it’s quicker round tracks like Anglesey than a 458!

The biggest difference I have found is that it’s a lot more confidence inspiring with a MUCH better front end and overall stability (and the PCCB brakes are ridiculously good). Whilst it’s not been great weather over the last couple of weeks, I’ve found you can definitely lean on the front end of this car more than the GT3 and it’s missing the 911 ‘bounce’ and shimmy. The omission of ‘bounce’ in corners makes a massive difference to how you push on.

Obviously, it’s 10 years newer so that will make a difference, but I suspect I will be a lot quicker on track with this than the GT3 - I put the similarities in published lap times down to the cars being in the hands of very good drivers, which helps exploit the GT3s potential to the max - something the average driver cannot. I know that there has been some posts on here about the adjustment offered by the GT4 and how aftermarket parts unlock the performance potential, but that is the case with the GT3 as well and how many people adjust their car that much (beyond say a fast road/track geo set-up).

There’s no doubt the GT3 has a more lively charecterful engine and I do miss that last 1,000rpm, which is sensational, but overall the GT4 is a lot better package. Only time will tell after having had a few GT3s, if the Carrera engine will prove to be a ‘disappointment’ in comparison, but not so far. I’m not going to go on about the ‘long gearing’ as enough has been said - I’ll have to see how it goes in drier weather.

I think it has massively contributed to the general slow pace of 997.1 GT3 sales, especially the ‘comfort’ models - Well spec’d CS models will always sell. But the GT4 is a lot better place to sit, has modern stuff like touch screen, Bluetooth etc, handles (a lot) better for the average driver, is not that discernible in terms of performance and is ten years newer - turnover in sales in the GT4 is pretty active, which reflects this.

I’m looking forward to better weather and the RS track day so I can get more familiar with the car and what it can do - I might be better qualified at that point to comment on any comparison, but initial feelings, it’s a great car.

Edited by Upnorthgt3 on Thursday 25th January 14:10

[PaulAlex]

^^^^^^^ Thanks for the above! Having spent months deciding which to go for, it's great to get real-world feedback from someone with experience of both...

...and better still that it justifies the decision I eventually made

Now I just need to use it!!

[Upnorthgt3]

PaulAlex said:

^^^^^^^ Thanks for the above! Having spent months deciding which to go for, it's great to get real-world feedback from someone with experience of both...

...and better still that it justifies the decision I eventually made

Now I just need to use it!!

Me too - just had a shoulder op - cannot drive for a week

[Heathrow]

Upnorthgt3 said:

Useful stuff

Cheers. Interesting reading. There's an everyday useability about the GT4 which is fantastic, but as a weekend car for road driving I somehow crave it to be a bit more difficult to drive and exploit if that makes sense. It's so competent and balanced with very high limits. TBF this isn't a criticism of the car, more about the wants/needs of the driver I guess.

997 GT3 has always intrigued me as it might provide that bit more "edge", and that legendary engine.

Different ball game on track obviously, where as you say 10 years further forward in the development cycle is an age.

[TDT]

Heathrow said:

Cheers. Interesting reading. There's an everyday useability about the GT4 which is fantastic, but as a weekend car for road driving I somehow crave it to be a bit more difficult to drive and exploit if that makes sense. It's so competent and balanced with very high limits. TBF this isn't a criticism of the car, more about the wants/needs of the driver I guess.

997 GT3 has always intrigued me as it might provide that bit more "edge", and that legendary engine.

Different ball game on track obviously, where as you say 10 years further forward in the development cycle is an age.

Turn off ESC and ESC+TC, and use more throttle!..lol...

Car has a lot of grip for road use... so you will need commitment and skill, space and awareness.
People will mention the Spyder as more playful on the road - it has pretty much same power but with a smaller contact patch on the road, and regular road tyres..so much less grip relatively speaking.

Edited by TDT on Friday 26th January 09:17