12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
Swimfinz said:
jcosh said:
Swimfinz said:
TDT said:
Jeez, guys...academic isn't it? 
^^^ Exactly— Mate of mine is a track-day fiend.... Is just about to swap back into a GT4 (nope— he’s not a “speculator” and has nowt to do with the “overs”).... He simply prefers the handling of the GT4, with its mid-engine layout and ability to corner as if “on rails”.... He also thinks it has more “driver feedback” and involvement....Again, it’s simply each to their own on this one...
Upnorthgt3 said:
Swimfinz said:
jcosh said:
Swimfinz said:
TDT said:
Jeez, guys...academic isn't it?
^^^ Exactly— Mate of mine is a track-day fiend.... Is just about to swap back into a GT4 (nope— he’s not a “speculator” and has nowt to do with the “overs”).... He simply prefers the handling of the GT4, with its mid-engine layout and ability to corner as if “on rails”.... He also thinks it has more “driver feedback” and involvement....Again, it’s simply each to their own on this one...
Swimfinz said:
He’s moving back into a GT4 from a Gen2 GT3— I was replying to the comments asserting that nobody would prefer a GT4 over a new GT3.... Not necessarily the case....
PDK or manual ? as unless you want a very cheap GT4 the 991.2 manual GT3 is a far better car and feels like a GT4 which has been to the gym, I cannot see any thing better the GT4 does over my GT3 bar I do like the GT4 spoiler and looks better but that's subjective of course.but make £45k on a GT3 and buy a GT4 at £80k you are only into the GT4 at £35k then and that's very good value even if you add £20k mods all in for £55k for a fully modded GT4 is a winner, if you don't mind giving up that GT3 500BHP engine. you end up with a Ohlins shod , 430BHP GT4 for peanuts.
As for missing the mid engine, with Porsche bringing the engine forward time after time and then adding RWS , it just about feels mid engine, no trail braking to apex needed and no nose bobbing like 911's of old. the cars are cornering like GT4's and pulling 1.67 G's which is higher than any GT4 I have seen.
I love my GT3 and I am trying every thing to keep it long term and I am not even a 911 fan boy, but the new manual 991.2 GT3 is an amazing car.
It also makes for a nicer road car and a faster track car over a GT4, I see no down sides bar the cost to buy/secure one in the 1st place.
Porsche911R said:
PDK or manual ? as unless you want a very cheap GT4 the 991.2 manual GT3 is a far better car and feels like a GT4 which has been to the gym, I cannot see any thing better the GT4 does over my GT3 bar I do like the GT4 spoiler and looks better but that's subjective of course.
but make £45k on a GT3 and buy a GT4 at £80k you are only into the GT4 at £35k then and that's very good value even if you add £20k mods all in for £55k for a fully modded GT4 is a winner, if you don't mind giving up that GT3 500BHP engine. you end up with a Ohlins shod , 430BHP GT4 for peanuts.
As for missing the mid engine, with Porsche bringing the engine forward time after time and then adding RWS , it just about feels mid engine, no trail braking to apex needed and no nose bobbing like 911's of old. the cars are cornering like GT4's and pulling 1.67 G's which is higher than any GT4 I have seen.
I love my GT3 and I am trying every thing to keep it long term and I am not even a 911 fan boy, but the new manual 991.2 GT3 is an amazing car.
It also makes for a nicer road car and a faster track car over a GT4, I see no down sides bar the cost to buy/secure one in the 1st place.
I haven't driven a manual 991.2 GT3 - but based on all the reviews and press i've read - i'd personally 100% agree, and so both cars justify their target position in the brand hierarchy. but make £45k on a GT3 and buy a GT4 at £80k you are only into the GT4 at £35k then and that's very good value even if you add £20k mods all in for £55k for a fully modded GT4 is a winner, if you don't mind giving up that GT3 500BHP engine. you end up with a Ohlins shod , 430BHP GT4 for peanuts.
As for missing the mid engine, with Porsche bringing the engine forward time after time and then adding RWS , it just about feels mid engine, no trail braking to apex needed and no nose bobbing like 911's of old. the cars are cornering like GT4's and pulling 1.67 G's which is higher than any GT4 I have seen.
I love my GT3 and I am trying every thing to keep it long term and I am not even a 911 fan boy, but the new manual 991.2 GT3 is an amazing car.
It also makes for a nicer road car and a faster track car over a GT4, I see no down sides bar the cost to buy/secure one in the 1st place.
D... how do you find the gearing?.. or still too soon to feedback?
Porsche911R said:
Swimfinz said:
He’s moving back into a GT4 from a Gen2 GT3— I was replying to the comments asserting that nobody would prefer a GT4 over a new GT3.... Not necessarily the case....
..... But make £45k on a GT3 and buy a GT4 at £80k you are only into the GT4 at £35k then and that's very good value even if you add £20k mods all in for £55k for a fully modded GT4 is a winner, if you don't mind giving up that GT3 500BHP engine. you end up with a Ohlins shod , 430BHP GT4 for peanuts.As a track-day nut, he felt that the new GT3 almost “does too much” for the driver, whereas he had to work the GT4 harder to extract maximum performance..... He feels a more “personalised” customisation of the GT4 will give maximum driving fun, for a lot less cash.... I can see his point.
I can’t comment personally— I drive my GT4 on both road and track, and love it to bits— but haven’t yet been behind the wheel of the new manual GT3.... Should be doing so soon, though....
It’s clearly a fab machine.... However, there is zero chance that I’m paying £50k overs for a well specced manual GT3, so I’m likely to be accompanying my mate over to see Jens in the summer....!! It’s either that or grab a 991.1 3RS whilst their prices continue to fall, but then I have the same damn issue with the lack of a manual box..... Bloody good car on track though....!!Swimfinz said:
^^^^ This.... Mostly.... He’s planning a Jens Ehresmann GT4 Stage 3 conversion in the summer.... (His GT3 is manual— like me, he’s an old school die-hard on this one....!!)
As a track-day nut, he felt that the new GT3 almost “does too much” for the driver, whereas he had to work the GT4 harder to extract maximum performance..... He feels a more “personalised” customisation of the GT4 will give maximum driving fun, for a lot less cash.... I can see his point.
I can’t comment personally— I drive my GT4 on both road and track, and love it to bits— but haven’t yet been behind the wheel of the new manual GT3.... Should be doing so soon, though.... It’s clearly a fab machine.... However, there is zero chance that I’m paying £50k overs for a well specced manual GT3, so I’m likely to be accompanying my mate over to see Jens in the summer....!! It’s either that or grab a 991.1 3RS whilst their prices continue to fall, but then I have the same damn issue with the lack of a manual box..... Bloody good car on track though....!!
Might be better to upgrade suspension first, AutoQuest multilink probably best as it addresses compromised strut architecture.As a track-day nut, he felt that the new GT3 almost “does too much” for the driver, whereas he had to work the GT4 harder to extract maximum performance..... He feels a more “personalised” customisation of the GT4 will give maximum driving fun, for a lot less cash.... I can see his point.
I can’t comment personally— I drive my GT4 on both road and track, and love it to bits— but haven’t yet been behind the wheel of the new manual GT3.... Should be doing so soon, though....
It’s clearly a fab machine.... However, there is zero chance that I’m paying £50k overs for a well specced manual GT3, so I’m likely to be accompanying my mate over to see Jens in the summer....!! It’s either that or grab a 991.1 3RS whilst their prices continue to fall, but then I have the same damn issue with the lack of a manual box..... Bloody good car on track though....!!Edited by gtsralph on Thursday 12th April 21:04
Upnorthgt3 said:
Has anyone fitted an aftermarket exhaust?
If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
What are you looking for power, sound or both?If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
FabSpeed and Cargraphic are well renowned.
Innotech (iPE) is also available
The stock exhaust is quite good if a bit material heavy in typical OEM Porsche fashion.
Improvements can be made by changing out the stock headers for freer flowing ones which will release a lot of power and sound.
Do you want to retain OEM valve control/Sports Exhaust Button? or happy to have it controlled by another remote?
anonymous said:
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We're all different so I won't question your preferences. But I found myself on a never-ending quest for more power, better handling, truer steering etc that only a couple of years spent in a 4 cylinder diesel could reboot if I wasn't to blow it all on a Veyron.TDT said:
Upnorthgt3 said:
Has anyone fitted an aftermarket exhaust?
If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
What are you looking for power, sound or both?If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
FabSpeed and Cargraphic are well renowned.
Innotech (iPE) is also available
The stock exhaust is quite good if a bit material heavy in typical OEM Porsche fashion.
Improvements can be made by changing out the stock headers for freer flowing ones which will release a lot of power and sound.
Do you want to retain OEM valve control/Sports Exhaust Button? or happy to have it controlled by another remote?
Had a cargraphic on the 997 Gt3 - great sound - I was surprised sharkwerks didnt offer a muffler bypass - I assume the system on the gt4 is different to that on the ‘3?
Upnorthgt3 said:
TDT said:
Upnorthgt3 said:
Has anyone fitted an aftermarket exhaust?
If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
What are you looking for power, sound or both?If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
FabSpeed and Cargraphic are well renowned.
Innotech (iPE) is also available
The stock exhaust is quite good if a bit material heavy in typical OEM Porsche fashion.
Improvements can be made by changing out the stock headers for freer flowing ones which will release a lot of power and sound.
Do you want to retain OEM valve control/Sports Exhaust Button? or happy to have it controlled by another remote?
Had a cargraphic on the 997 Gt3 - great sound - I was surprised sharkwerks didnt offer a muffler bypass - I assume the system on the gt4 is different to that on the ‘3?
Just came back from a 1,500 round trip to the Scottish Highlands in the GT4 and thought I'd share my thoughts on the car having had a chance to properly connect with it. Very impressed with the suspension, it never, ever runs out of ideas on some really challenging and varied surfaces and the confidence you build with the car is very high as a result. The brakes are immense, can't imagine a real need for PCCBs for road driving FWIW, but each to their own. Grip is phenomenal from the Cup 2s. The chassis, tyres and brakes can definitely handle more power but it makes for a very very stable road car and you can really lean on the chassis if you wish. I like this for road driving as it's ultimately a bit safer when pushing on. I didn't experience the chronic understeer people on here talk about but I promise to try harder next time
I was fortunate enough to drive a 991.1, manual 4GTS back-to-back on the same roads which was a good comparison of what the engine could have been. The GTS has a stronger mid-range for sure, and for the avoidance of doubt is the better engine of the two - not just for the extra power but for the engine mapping. And dare I say it also for the superior fuel consumption, the less said about that the better...
I also drove an Evora S on the trip which has the best steering of all three cars with a superb ride/handling balance and intuitive gearing which maximises the engine's strengths. It was a match for the two Porsches for driving enjoyment without doubt.
If you haven't had the chance to properly enjoy the GT4 on these type of roads - go for it. Great fun, even better with some mates along.
I was fortunate enough to drive a 991.1, manual 4GTS back-to-back on the same roads which was a good comparison of what the engine could have been. The GTS has a stronger mid-range for sure, and for the avoidance of doubt is the better engine of the two - not just for the extra power but for the engine mapping. And dare I say it also for the superior fuel consumption, the less said about that the better...
I also drove an Evora S on the trip which has the best steering of all three cars with a superb ride/handling balance and intuitive gearing which maximises the engine's strengths. It was a match for the two Porsches for driving enjoyment without doubt.
If you haven't had the chance to properly enjoy the GT4 on these type of roads - go for it. Great fun, even better with some mates along.
Heathrow said:
Just came back from a 1,500 round trip to the Scottish Highlands in the GT4 and thought I'd share my thoughts on the car having had a chance to properly connect with it. Very impressed with the suspension, it never, ever runs out of ideas on some really challenging and varied surfaces and the confidence you build with the car is very high as a result. The brakes are immense, can't imagine a real need for PCCBs for road driving FWIW, but each to their own. Grip is phenomenal from the Cup 2s. The chassis, tyres and brakes can definitely handle more power but it makes for a very very stable road car and you can really lean on the chassis if you wish. I like this for road driving as it's ultimately a bit safer when pushing on. I didn't experience the chronic understeer people on here talk about but I promise to try harder next time
I was fortunate enough to drive a 991.1, manual 4GTS back-to-back on the same roads which was a good comparison of what the engine could have been. The GTS has a stronger mid-range for sure, and for the avoidance of doubt is the better engine of the two - not just for the extra power but for the engine mapping. And dare I say it also for the superior fuel consumption, the less said about that the better...
I also drove an Evora S on the trip which has the best steering of all three cars with a superb ride/handling balance and intuitive gearing which maximises the engine's strengths. It was a match for the two Porsches for driving enjoyment without doubt.
If you haven't had the chance to properly enjoy the GT4 on these type of roads - go for it. Great fun, even better with some mates along.
Excellent, any pics?I was fortunate enough to drive a 991.1, manual 4GTS back-to-back on the same roads which was a good comparison of what the engine could have been. The GTS has a stronger mid-range for sure, and for the avoidance of doubt is the better engine of the two - not just for the extra power but for the engine mapping. And dare I say it also for the superior fuel consumption, the less said about that the better...
I also drove an Evora S on the trip which has the best steering of all three cars with a superb ride/handling balance and intuitive gearing which maximises the engine's strengths. It was a match for the two Porsches for driving enjoyment without doubt.
If you haven't had the chance to properly enjoy the GT4 on these type of roads - go for it. Great fun, even better with some mates along.
Heathrow said:
Just came back from a 1,500 round trip to the Scottish Highlands in the GT4 and thought I'd share my thoughts on the car having had a chance to properly connect with it. Very impressed with the suspension, it never, ever runs out of ideas on some really challenging and varied surfaces and the confidence you build with the car is very high as a result. The brakes are immense, can't imagine a real need for PCCBs for road driving FWIW, but each to their own. Grip is phenomenal from the Cup 2s. The chassis, tyres and brakes can definitely handle more power but it makes for a very very stable road car and you can really lean on the chassis if you wish. I like this for road driving as it's ultimately a bit safer when pushing on. I didn't experience the chronic understeer people on here talk about but I promise to try harder next time
I was fortunate enough to drive a 991.1, manual 4GTS back-to-back on the same roads which was a good comparison of what the engine could have been. The GTS has a stronger mid-range for sure, and for the avoidance of doubt is the better engine of the two - not just for the extra power but for the engine mapping. And dare I say it also for the superior fuel consumption, the less said about that the better...
I also drove an Evora S on the trip which has the best steering of all three cars with a superb ride/handling balance and intuitive gearing which maximises the engine's strengths. It was a match for the two Porsches for driving enjoyment without doubt.
If you haven't had the chance to properly enjoy the GT4 on these type of roads - go for it. Great fun, even better with some mates along.
I can't work out from that write up which of the three you liked driving the most! I was fortunate enough to drive a 991.1, manual 4GTS back-to-back on the same roads which was a good comparison of what the engine could have been. The GTS has a stronger mid-range for sure, and for the avoidance of doubt is the better engine of the two - not just for the extra power but for the engine mapping. And dare I say it also for the superior fuel consumption, the less said about that the better...
I also drove an Evora S on the trip which has the best steering of all three cars with a superb ride/handling balance and intuitive gearing which maximises the engine's strengths. It was a match for the two Porsches for driving enjoyment without doubt.
If you haven't had the chance to properly enjoy the GT4 on these type of roads - go for it. Great fun, even better with some mates along.
I enjoyed elements of all three and working around their strengths and weaknesses as the roads dictated. The pace was pretty comparable overall despite the differences in horsepower. The Evora's witchcraft damping and supercharger making up adequately for the power deficit. The extra weight of the 4wd blunting the GTS's performance advantage over the GT4.
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