GT4 - avoidance thread

[ChrisW.]

kmpowell said:

Mark-ri571 said:

Volkswizard has now got a GT4
https://youtu.be/AlRNKv9nLes?si=GqIwiGGgEmZRy1M-

You mean the blatant Saxton advertorial (you scratch my back on price and I'll scratch yours)? Talking as if he's a private punter trying to navigate the used market for the ideal private purchase? The 'test drive' charade equally transparent as glass.

It only took 7mins before bucket seat u-turn bullst bingo started to try and validate the purchase, then went on to say "if a GTI man were to buy a GT4, this would be the car" errrr, sorry to break it to you Andrew but I am a GTI man and that certainly isn't a car I'd buy. He then goes on to try to make the significant warning flag issues around the servicing and history seem minor, when in reality they aren't, they are baked into the value, and always will be.

The thing that really made me cringe was the following... "So this is basically as close to a brand new GT4 as you can get"

For sure, apart from the fact it's 3 years old, has a missed serviced schedule, has 1200 miles, which you said would be double by the time you got it home, the scuffed (and lifting) PPF, scuffed splitters, ...utterly laughable statement.

In short, a used car dealer has bought a very cheap basic(ish) GT4 from another dealer, even cheaper when it's all put through business to business, and the dealer moves on the white elephant they've had in stock for ages. Andrew, if you'd been genuine in the video purchase, what it actually is, and the reasons behind it, you'd have got less negativity from me, but come on, you know the score here.

EJ70AWF

Edited by kmpowell on Saturday 23 September 10:00

Gosh.

1200 miles on three year old oil and about to be driven home ... when Porsche are quite happy to run the car for two years and X000 miles to the first service without a running-in change ...

Did you miss it ? Or just a case of the spec not matching your personal preferences ...

[Driver101]

The buyer knows the service is well overdue, but also says he will be taking out the extended Porsche warranty.

Will Porsche honour the warranty if the car hasn't been serviced correctly?

[TDT]

Driver101 said:

The buyer knows the service is well overdue, but also says he will be taking out the extended Porsche warranty.

Will Porsche honour the warranty if the car hasn't been serviced correctly?

Yes, why not? you would just need to complete the Porsche service and 111 point check and then it will be entered back into extended warranty programme once you’ve owned the car for 3months.

Edited by TDT on Saturday 23 September 16:55

[KittyLitter]

One to add to the list - maybe? though it says just minor dents and scratches.

https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/52991534/clean-title-...

[Redline88]

That has structural damage although not immediately obvious as to what it is? The interior looks to be a bit of a mess, could it be flood related?

[volkswizardph]

Driver101 said:

The buyer knows the service is well overdue, but also says he will be taking out the extended Porsche warranty.

Will Porsche honour the warranty if the car hasn't been serviced correctly?

Yep, all serviced and warranted now with Porsche. They did suggest it was serviced early next time to bring the services in line with where they should be which is fine as I'll have done a few thousand miles in the meantime so good to get some new oil in.

[volkswizardph]

I'd forgotten the levels of cynicism on this forum.

kmpowell said:

You mean the blatant Saxton advertorial (you scratch my back on price and I'll scratch yours)? Talking as if he's a private punter trying to navigate the used market for the ideal private purchase? The 'test drive' charade equally transparent as glass

It would be great if dealers did give money off for videos but I've genuinely never had this because my channel isn't big enough and most certainly is not a popular one for Porsche owners (or indeed typical buyers of Saxton cars). The fact is the price was very good at the time and I got a few hundred quid off - happy to supply invoice, the car was up at £78k and I paid £77xxx, can't recall the detail, and that discount was only because I didn't need their warranty (which they gave me anyway). I wouldn't be surprised if they were making a loss having sat on it for too long. The test drive was 100% genuine, I'd made 2 trips to Saxton, the second one was to take away subject to a test drive. I'd driven an OPC used GT4 that made a racket at 70 mph so wanted to make sure this one didn't and it didn't so having crawled all over and underneath it in the showroom on visit 1 I was now ready to commit, I don't know why you think this was a charade? It's a large purchase so why would I not need to be sure it was right and why would I not record this?

kmpowell said:

It only took 7mins before bucket seat u-turn bullst bingo started to try and validate the purchase, then went on to say "if a GTI man were to buy a GT4, this would be the car" errrr, sorry to break it to you Andrew but I am a GTI man and that certainly isn't a car I'd buy. He then goes on to try to make the significant warning flag issues around the servicing and history seem minor, when in reality they aren't, they are baked into the value, and always will be.

Is it not possible that I tried the buckets seats in the pink OPC car and decided they were uncomfortable as hell and were not a good idea? Shortly after buying this one I took it to Italy (videos published to prove) so considerations about comfort are valid for my usage more that most as I have proven. The fact the standard seats soften the ride a touch is a positive too as I personally find it marginal for UK roads. Plus I need to consider the comfort of my wife as due to health issues, she's has had trouble with bucket seats before -TT quattro Sport Pole Positions - but is OK with the GTI Clubsport/R8/B7 RS4/TT RS less hardcore bucket seats.

The GTI reference was purely about the colour scheme of black and red, I thought that would have been obvious. As for the history affecting the value, the OPC that serviced and warranted it said they'd be happy to retail it now so maybe it will put some people off who will end up buying a worse car serviced on time but any educated buyer will know that sitting in a showroom with 1000 mile old oil is not detrimental to the mechanical integrity of the car.

kmpowell said:

The thing that really made me cringe was the following... "So this is basically as close to a brand new GT4 as you can get"

For sure, apart from the fact it's 3 years old, has a missed serviced schedule, has 1200 miles, which you said would be double by the time you got it home, the scuffed (and lifting) PPF, scuffed splitters, ...utterly laughable statement.

Well a new car wouldn't have had a service so I stand by that. The mileage isn't relevant to being 'as new' in fact it's nicely run in now which you (well probably not 'you') could say that's better. The PPF is not scuffed, there was a finger nail size section that had water under it from pressure washing which has dried out now. Getting a car with 'track pack' PPF for me is a real bonus as saves me the cost and paint is chip free underneath. The splitter is scuffed but £200 to make brand new or if it was perfect then it wouldn't be for very long. You are ignoring the fact that all the areas underneath are completely unaffected by ageing which is a very good and unusual thing for a 3 year old Porsche and for me is a massive positive as it means I can protect it all before corrosion has even started.

kmpowell said:

In short, a used car dealer has bought a very cheap basic(ish) GT4 from another dealer, even cheaper when it's all put through business to business, and the dealer moves on the white elephant they've had in stock for ages. Andrew, if you'd been genuine in the video purchase, what it actually is, and the reasons behind it, you'd have got less negativity from me, but come on, you know the score here.

You don't know me so I find it strange you can make such confident conclusions. The GT4 has been my dream car for years and it's actually because I am no longer a retail car dealer and don't have to tie up big chunks of cash for stock that I could finally make the purchase. I've got no idea how it would be cheaper if put through the business, it's not a VAT qualifying car nor is it a company car. In fact it's the first car I've had to insure privately rather than on my trade policy as the value is higher than that policy allows. You and many others no doubt may see it as a white elephant but wouldn't see anything negative about a hard used GT4 that's been refurbished heavily for sale but serviced on time, for sale at an OPC. But for me as a motor trade professional buying a car that's so fresh (including underneath) because it's been owned by 1 owner, a PCGB member and clearly well stored and dry driven only is much more important than the very expensive and durable oil, that's 18000 miles below it's change mileage being 10 months older that it should be. As for it being basic (ish), I had some must haves such as cruise control and climate control (which again relate to my road trip usage) and I didn't want the nasty standard plastic dash, this car met all my requirements and many other GT4s including many with bucket seats didn't.

[PRO5T]

Jeez, that took some explaining.