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t all or waze or any thing good, I also think it only adds £1kChrisW. said:
I disagree ...
I had Nav in an RS3, didn't fit Nav to my GT4, 'have a truckers Tom Tom with live traffic, ... and very much prefer my iPhone ... Nav must be the very worst way to make the car feel prematurely "classic" ... I would say at the reputed £4k, that's very poor value ...
I’d agree that pre Apple Car Play that Nav along with a PDK greabox is the thing that dates a car most in say a 997 (like my 997 GTS). However, with the new PCM with Apple Car Play we hopefully have a system which will stay up to date through the Apps.....although we’ll probably find out in a few years that time that we’ll need to keep our old iPhone’s because new one’s won’t be compatible with the Apple Car Play in old cars......I had Nav in an RS3, didn't fit Nav to my GT4, 'have a truckers Tom Tom with live traffic, ... and very much prefer my iPhone ... Nav must be the very worst way to make the car feel prematurely "classic" ... I would say at the reputed £4k, that's very poor value ...
av185 said:
Ask any OPC trade buyer about trying to sell a 981 GT4 or Spyder without Nav and they will confirm the £4k difference.
Ok it's not impossible to sell either without Nav but the market generally demands it fact. Plus any car without it has proved to be hard work.
We have seen numerous cases of this with cars for sale since 2015.
Reference to much older 987s selling without Nav is irrelevant to the 981 as I said as cars get older it is of less significance clearly.
My OPC sold mine without NAV (981 spyder) at 83k i had done 4.5K miles, they had it for nearly 4 days, hardly struggling, i think it depends on the overall spec. I also think its an option for the OPC to beat you over the head with when trading in the car but I have not seen this 4k difference on equally spec'd cars where the only difference is NAV when they come to sell the car.Ok it's not impossible to sell either without Nav but the market generally demands it fact. Plus any car without it has proved to be hard work.
We have seen numerous cases of this with cars for sale since 2015.
Reference to much older 987s selling without Nav is irrelevant to the 981 as I said as cars get older it is of less significance clearly.
theDOCTOR said:
...i think it depends on the overall spec...
Exactly this. If the car is poverty spec without nav and has comfort seats then yes, it's going to be a tough sell. If it's a bucket seated clubsport with leather dash, climate, cruise and contrast stitching the lack of nav won't be an issue.You can't talk about nav in isolation, it has to be looked at as part of the bigger picture.
Armitage.Shanks said:
What's the view on folding buckets compared to 918 seats? The former can be heated whereas the latter can't. Is it personal preference?
918 advantages: 1: newer
2: height adjust
3: better for fatter people
Folding advantages:
1: Folding
2: heated
3: less upright
4: a bit tighter at the bum end
5: lighter
All my cars have folding now, I hated the 918 style, felt big and far to upright. I had 2 cars with 918 and had 3 cars with folding.
if you are smaller than 5.5 or taller than 6 foot then you might need the height adjust. If you are mr ave, and not fat, the folding is the better seat imo.
there are at least 3 companies now selling brackets for the 918 style to make them less stupid, I mean less upright :-)
but I will take the tighter fit and heated on a personal level as they fit me like a glove and in the GT3 they fold for rear access and that also lets you clean the inside rear window.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 31st July 08:45
Porsche911R said:
Armitage.Shanks said:
What's the view on folding buckets compared to 918 seats? The former can be heated whereas the latter can't. Is it personal preference?
918 advantages: 1: newer
2: height adjust
3: better for fatter people
Folding advantages:
1: Folding
2: heated
3: less upright
4: a bit tighter at the bum end
5: lighter
All my cars have folding now, I hated the 918 style, felt big and far to upright. I had 2 cars with 918 and had 3 cars with folding.
if you are smaller than 5.5 or taller than 6 foot then you might need the height adjust. If you are mr ave, and not fat, the folding is the better seat imo.
there are at least 3 companies now selling brackets for the 918 style to make them less stupid, I mean less upright :-)
but I will take the tighter fit and heated on a personal level as they fit me like a glove and in the GT3 they fold for rear access and that also lets you clean the inside rear window.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 31st July 08:45
488 were:-
Great fit
Folding
Height adjustable
Rake adjustable
Heated
Carbon Fibre backs
Porsche911R said:
Armitage.Shanks said:
What's the view on folding buckets compared to 918 seats? The former can be heated whereas the latter can't. Is it personal preference?
918 advantages: 1: newer
2: height adjust
3: better for fatter people
Folding advantages:
1: Folding
2: heated
3: less upright
4: a bit tighter at the bum end
5: lighter
All my cars have folding now, I hated the 918 style, felt big and far to upright. I had 2 cars with 918 and had 3 cars with folding.
if you are smaller than 5.5 or taller than 6 foot then you might need the height adjust. If you are mr ave, and not fat, the folding is the better seat imo.
there are at least 3 companies now selling brackets for the 918 style to make them less stupid, I mean less upright :-)
but I will take the tighter fit and heated on a personal level as they fit me like a glove and in the GT3 they fold for rear access and that also lets you clean the inside rear window.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 31st July 08:45
I would say its a very personal choice and you have to try both as we are all different shapes & sizes (in fact based on David's comments I'm both fat and tall LOL).
I am 6ft4 and much prefer the 918 seats as the height adjustment makes them mega practical and for me a really comfortable driving position. I had them in the GT4 ad now in my 981 Spyder and love them. I liked the folding buckets too which I had in my Cayman R but prefer the 918 seats and the height adjustment available.
And (not that's its important like contrast stitching etc) they also look fantastic from a visual point of view. So try both - if like me you're 'fat' and tall the 918 seats are perfect.
daro911 said:
Recently viewed a 488 Spider that had the ultimate buckets maybe Porsche will offer their options by 2030
488 were:-
Great fit
Folding
Height adjustable
Rake adjustable
Heated
Carbon Fibre backs
But without full side bolsters they're not really a bucket are they. But that's understandable from Ferrari as they need to produce seats that are easy access for your leggy blonde companion that is essential to the Ferrari lifestyle. 488 were:-
Great fit
Folding
Height adjustable
Rake adjustable
Heated
Carbon Fibre backs
Porsche911R said:
918 advantages:
1: newer
2: height adjust
3: better for fatter people
Folding advantages:
1: Folding
2: heated
3: less upright
4: a bit tighter at the bum end
5: lighter
All my cars have folding now, I hated the 918 style, felt big and far to upright. I had 2 cars with 918 and had 3 cars with folding.
if you are smaller than 5.5 or taller than 6 foot then you might need the height adjust. If you are mr ave, and not fat, the folding is the better seat imo.
there are at least 3 companies now selling brackets for the 918 style to make them less stupid, I mean less upright :-)
but I will take the tighter fit and heated on a personal level as they fit me like a glove and in the GT3 they fold for rear access and that also lets you clean the inside rear window.
Something that you don't mention is that the shape of the 918 seats is broader and not as shaped as the folding seats at the top. The folding pinch in whereas the 918 push flat. If you have broad shoulders, this makes the 918 seat more comfortable. 1: newer
2: height adjust
3: better for fatter people
Folding advantages:
1: Folding
2: heated
3: less upright
4: a bit tighter at the bum end
5: lighter
All my cars have folding now, I hated the 918 style, felt big and far to upright. I had 2 cars with 918 and had 3 cars with folding.
if you are smaller than 5.5 or taller than 6 foot then you might need the height adjust. If you are mr ave, and not fat, the folding is the better seat imo.
there are at least 3 companies now selling brackets for the 918 style to make them less stupid, I mean less upright :-)
but I will take the tighter fit and heated on a personal level as they fit me like a glove and in the GT3 they fold for rear access and that also lets you clean the inside rear window.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 31st July 08:45
Aesthetically, the 918 seats look a lot more modern. I saw an RS 4.0 at Silverstone the other day and I was struck by how dated the seats looked. Not a bad thing, just an observation and what I've become used to.
Worth thinking about is bolster wear as well and I think there was a weak point in the 918 seats, a part was prone to breakage and the design was altered. I can't remember the specifics but no doubt someone will know. I've got leather covers to reduce wear which you don't even notice as the leather is matched as is the stitching.
I get more passenger complaint with my car with folding buckets than I do with the car that has 918 seats. I think the folding are less comfortable if you don't have your arms positioned on the steering wheel.
i did a 2000mi road trip down to and across the south of france in 918's. i am 6ft with 32in waist. no gripes at all. i found them extremely comfortable. since i sold that car i have recently bought another with same spec.
you have to manually slide the seat back and forth each time you get in and out to give yourself more room. when i get in i hold on to the steering wheel, put one foot in and then literally fall into place. painful if you get it wrong. when i get out i look like a spider stuck in the bath, and my fiancee doesnt look as elegant as she usually does. especially difficult if you have cars parked alongside you...
the folding buckets seem more practical for a number of reasons listed previously. i think the look at design of the 918's wins it for me and the fact they are the same seats in the 918 spyder is really cool.
you have to manually slide the seat back and forth each time you get in and out to give yourself more room. when i get in i hold on to the steering wheel, put one foot in and then literally fall into place. painful if you get it wrong. when i get out i look like a spider stuck in the bath, and my fiancee doesnt look as elegant as she usually does. especially difficult if you have cars parked alongside you...
the folding buckets seem more practical for a number of reasons listed previously. i think the look at design of the 918's wins it for me and the fact they are the same seats in the 918 spyder is really cool.
daro911 said:
Recently viewed a 488 Spider that had the ultimate buckets maybe Porsche will offer their options by 2030
488 were:-
Great fit
Folding
Height adjustable
Rake adjustable
Heated
Carbon Fibre backs
it gets tricky as I hate Ferrari buckets, I also hate Lambo buckets, in both those cars the sports seats are better imo.488 were:-
Great fit
Folding
Height adjustable
Rake adjustable
Heated
Carbon Fibre backs
ANd without driving I would be pressing the "bucket seat" option !!!
In a Macca though imo you need the buckets, the sports seats are not very nice to sit in. again an issue as not many have buckets !
and the reverse is true in the Lambo , most have buckets !!!
AT the end of the day we need to have comfort and support and most seats are for mr Ave size, the new trend is for bigger seats as people are getting bigger, In the Macca you can spec seat size now !!
The 918 is def suited to the larger person, the issue is now it's far to upright, but that now can be fixed with after market parts.
I would buy a 2nd hand car with 918's now, but would not have sans brackets.
So either seat will do but the folding if you are under 6 foot has more advantages.
last to note is the sides seem to stand upto more in the folding, it's a tried and tested design from the 997 GT2 and was in most 997 GT3's etc they wear very well.
the sides on the 918 style are made of cheese and if you look at them they bend/crease. see my pic , 1st car I clicked on, and most are worse even with 1k miles !!!
the folding seats just don't do that after 30k miles, most GT3 for sale have very creased sides, not every one is this fat for it to be on most cars so young !!!
Mutema said:
Worth thinking about is bolster wear as well and I think there was a weak point in the 918 seats,
yep just highlighted that, most GT3's for sale have really bad wear in that area on 1k mile cars !!my latest car has Recaro Pole's in them, they are like a bespoke glove, even my GF things they are the best seat to date,
Although I did like the 996 GT3 seats, but todays size people would not fit those now, bit like the CGT seats, both are very tight but nice if you fit.
quote
"Something that you don't mention is that the shape of the 918 seats is broader and not as shaped as the folding seats at the top"
as you hold the wheel you are rounded off in the shoulders any way, I am wide of shoulder, but rattle about in the 918 and fit great in the GT2 Folding style and the Recaro Poles. (and a full race seat, and still less upright than a 918 !! )
I am race spec size :-) as I stated if you are a bigger guy and taller than 6FT best to spec 918 but FFS don't sit on the side bolsters when getting in/out ;-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 31st July 10:02
Armitage.Shanks said:
What's the view on folding buckets compared to 918 seats? The former can be heated whereas the latter can't. Is it personal preference?
You need to sit in one yourself to really know. The replies by the 'powerfully built' about the comfort or otherwise you are all going to be personal opinions. The 918s are wider but can be adjusted to sit lower as the folding buckets sit too high imo. Seat fitting is very personal, try to find a car with both to sit in for a while or better yet, drive.Yes , as you saw I am not small and find them great and comfortable even on long trips ,an offer enough support to do spirited driving on track without a Harness .
Sadly fitting into a CGT for me is a challenge ... especially with a helmet on , nice to see your silver one at the end of the day . At least when in JC's car only need to look out the side window on track ..
As for the crease ..... ever not bothered ...
Sadly fitting into a CGT for me is a challenge ... especially with a helmet on , nice to see your silver one at the end of the day . At least when in JC's car only need to look out the side window on track ..
As for the crease ..... ever not bothered ...
MJ1 said:
Nope. the eBay car is the polar opposite of the Redline which has a plethora of extras - not necessarily all the right ones! The other doesn't even have bluetooth etc! hence it's price. Edited by Armitage.Shanks on Wednesday 31st July 17:18
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