Who builds the best outlaw 911 in the UK
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EvoSid said:
Some lovely cars but excuse my ignorance but is an outlaw car and how does it differ from a restored or restomod car ?
I like the look of some of these but I fear I would end up in a ditch as some early 911's had interesting handling
Which ones? My 69T (with tasteful S bits) handles sublimely. Turbos perhaps a bit of a handful, but nothing in there that gives me any fear of being ditch or even gravel-trap -bound! [famous last words I like the look of some of these but I fear I would end up in a ditch as some early 911's had interesting handling
]EvoSid said:
Some lovely cars but excuse my ignorance but is an outlaw car and how does it differ from a restored or restomod car ?
I like the look of some of these but I fear I would end up in a ditch as some early 911's had interesting handling
This is my understanding I like the look of some of these but I fear I would end up in a ditch as some early 911's had interesting handling
Outlaw - is an original car which has some unique styling tweaks lRod Emory’s 356’s are considered Outlaw’s. Rod Emory explains where the term Outlaw came from in one of his Jay Leno interviews...the cars he and his family used to build were Outlawed from Porsche car meets because they weren’t factory cars.
Restomod - Is a car like a Singer which has more modern underpinnings in terms of chassis, engine tech whilst looking like an older car. You could argue a Singer doesn’t look like an older car
Restored car - Is a car which is still in the spec it left the factory but has maybe got a new interior and been painted.
Hot Rod - Car that looks standard but has an uprated engine/brakes/suspension
Recreation - Car that has been modified to look like and drive like a different Porsche model. e.g. a 73 T has been modified to look like a 2.8 RSR and have an RSR spec engine.
Cheib said:
This is my understanding
Outlaw - is an original car which has some unique styling tweaks lRod Emory’s 356’s are considered Outlaw’s. Rod Emory explains where the term Outlaw came from in one of his Jay Leno interviews...the cars he and his family used to build were Outlawed from Porsche car meets because they weren’t factory cars.
Restomod - Is a car like a Singer which has more modern underpinnings in terms of chassis, engine tech whilst looking like an older car. You could argue a Singer doesn’t look like an older car
Restored car - Is a car which is still in the spec it left the factory but has maybe got a new interior and been painted.
Hot Rod - Car that looks standard but has an uprated engine/brakes/suspension
Recreation - Car that has been modified to look like and drive like a different Porsche model. e.g. a 73 T has been modified to look like a 2.8 RSR and have an RSR spec engine.
Cheers that makes sense . I like the idea of an older car with more modern underpinnings. But I like modern shiny stuff as well lolOutlaw - is an original car which has some unique styling tweaks lRod Emory’s 356’s are considered Outlaw’s. Rod Emory explains where the term Outlaw came from in one of his Jay Leno interviews...the cars he and his family used to build were Outlawed from Porsche car meets because they weren’t factory cars.
Restomod - Is a car like a Singer which has more modern underpinnings in terms of chassis, engine tech whilst looking like an older car. You could argue a Singer doesn’t look like an older car
Restored car - Is a car which is still in the spec it left the factory but has maybe got a new interior and been painted.
Hot Rod - Car that looks standard but has an uprated engine/brakes/suspension
Recreation - Car that has been modified to look like and drive like a different Porsche model. e.g. a 73 T has been modified to look like a 2.8 RSR and have an RSR spec engine.
EvoSid said:
KIPSTER said:
Much, much more!
So roughly how did your build cost ? The build was mainly cosmetic as per my previous post so you can work out that we are not talking huge numbers here!
Electric A/C, new exhaust, brake hoses, front screen, indicator stalk contributed a bit tho......
I can recommend these guys they do all manner of resto work and servicing! Currently has 2 custom builds on the go, one is near completion the other will be something a little special, based on a 74 shell custom wide body and a bespoke 993 3.8 ltr install
Highly recommended https://www.rennspeed.co.uk/
Highly recommended https://www.rennspeed.co.uk/
KIPSTER said:
Well, the donor car was a 1988 Carrera with 220K miles on the clock and was purchased for just over £30K.
The build was mainly cosmetic as per my previous post so you can work out that we are not talking huge numbers here!
Electric A/C, new exhaust, brake hoses, front screen, indicator stalk contributed a bit tho......
I get where you are coming from. Any pics of before and after as I like tis idea now The build was mainly cosmetic as per my previous post so you can work out that we are not talking huge numbers here!
Electric A/C, new exhaust, brake hoses, front screen, indicator stalk contributed a bit tho......
Iainrob said:
I can recommend these guys they do all manner of resto work and servicing! Currently has 2 custom builds on the go, one is near completion the other will be something a little special, based on a 74 shell custom wide body and a bespoke 993 3.8 ltr install
Highly recommended https://www.rennspeed.co.uk/
Ben at Rennspeed is brilliant. He did a lot of the bigger mechanical work on my restomod.Highly recommended https://www.rennspeed.co.uk/
BrewsterBear said:
Iainrob said:
I can recommend these guys they do all manner of resto work and servicing! Currently has 2 custom builds on the go, one is near completion the other will be something a little special, based on a 74 shell custom wide body and a bespoke 993 3.8 ltr install
Highly recommended https://www.rennspeed.co.uk/
Ben at Rennspeed is brilliant. He did a lot of the bigger mechanical work on my restomod.Highly recommended https://www.rennspeed.co.uk/
PhantomPH said:
BrewsterBear said:
Ben at Rennspeed is brilliant. He did a lot of the bigger mechanical work on my restomod.
Yeah, that's a stunner.Cheib said:
I assume it’s 964 based given the rear spoiler ? That would be my only question about it....going for the Longhood look but retaining that spoiler. But I know naff all about aero and the great thing is that people build cars that they want !
No, it's a 1982 SC. The engine lid is from a 964 with a custom spoiler section. It has a 993 Varioram engine and it really does make a difference to running temps having the moving spoiler open and forcing a good slab of air into the engine bay. I chose the moving one rather than a fixed one as I prefer the naked silouhette of a 911 and when the moving one is closed it's pretty damned close.The aim of the car was never to recreate a particular model or seriously pretend it's an early car. I picked bits from a huge swathe of the air-cooled back catalogue.
I left the SC arch profile as I think it's the best out there. An early car would have narrower hips. Many people put big ST bubble arches on. I wanted neither. 7&8 Fuchs fit lovely under these. There's trim from the 60s and 70s, body panels from 70's, 80's and 90's. Engine from the 90's. Interior is 964 Sports seats custom reupholstered - not because they look "right" in an old car, but because they are the comfiest 911 seats I've ever been in.
The whole car is a Frankenstein's monster. To my eyes it looks like my dream car and goes well enough with the power:weight ratio of a 996 GT3RS. I get there is a huge amount to get purists angry and enthusiasts perplexed, but I didn't build it for them. I built what I wanted. And I drive the sh*t out of it regularly.
I left the SC arch profile as I think it's the best out there. An early car would have narrower hips. Many people put big ST bubble arches on. I wanted neither. 7&8 Fuchs fit lovely under these. There's trim from the 60s and 70s, body panels from 70's, 80's and 90's. Engine from the 90's. Interior is 964 Sports seats custom reupholstered - not because they look "right" in an old car, but because they are the comfiest 911 seats I've ever been in.
The whole car is a Frankenstein's monster. To my eyes it looks like my dream car and goes well enough with the power:weight ratio of a 996 GT3RS. I get there is a huge amount to get purists angry and enthusiasts perplexed, but I didn't build it for them. I built what I wanted. And I drive the sh*t out of it regularly.
Yellow491 said:
As a bit of a purist with the earlier cars and in the camp of leave them alone unless you have to restore it,but deff use them alot.
That looks a great hotrod build,and as you say you built it for you and no one else,just as it should be ,welldone
Completely agree - when most people stray from “pure” they look awful, hence why most people say pure is best - however this really looks great and I love the fact it’s tailored to your vision of your perfect car - I think it’s a really brilliant approach andI I love the fact it’s well loved and used - please let me know if you ever get bored of it That looks a great hotrod build,and as you say you built it for you and no one else,just as it should be ,welldone
Agree with Yellow et al. Lovely philosophy. Building exactly what you want from the car dynamically out of a back catalogue of parts that no other manufacturer can match. Respect to anyone who builds a car like this. Not so keen on cars that are built as some kind of Hipster homage where the dynamics seem to be a largely irrelevant element of the build - but each to their own.
BrewsterBear said:
The aim of the car was never to recreate a particular model or seriously pretend it's an early car. I picked bits from a huge swathe of the air-cooled back catalogue.
I left the SC arch profile as I think it's the best out there. An early car would have narrower hips. Many people put big ST bubble arches on. I wanted neither. 7&8 Fuchs fit lovely under these. There's trim from the 60s and 70s, body panels from 70's, 80's and 90's. Engine from the 90's. Interior is 964 Sports seats custom reupholstered - not because they look "right" in an old car, but because they are the comfiest 911 seats I've ever been in.
The whole car is a Frankenstein's monster. To my eyes it looks like my dream car and goes well enough with the power:weight ratio of a 996 GT3RS. I get there is a huge amount to get purists angry and enthusiasts perplexed, but I didn't build it for them. I built what I wanted. And I drive the sh*t out of it regularly.
I love it such rear hatch, ok, not so when the spoiler is out, but looks great when its down, like a crossing between a little duck-tail and a OEM hatch, to 'brake' the otherwise long flat line downwards (roof to bumper)I left the SC arch profile as I think it's the best out there. An early car would have narrower hips. Many people put big ST bubble arches on. I wanted neither. 7&8 Fuchs fit lovely under these. There's trim from the 60s and 70s, body panels from 70's, 80's and 90's. Engine from the 90's. Interior is 964 Sports seats custom reupholstered - not because they look "right" in an old car, but because they are the comfiest 911 seats I've ever been in.
The whole car is a Frankenstein's monster. To my eyes it looks like my dream car and goes well enough with the power:weight ratio of a 996 GT3RS. I get there is a huge amount to get purists angry and enthusiasts perplexed, but I didn't build it for them. I built what I wanted. And I drive the sh*t out of it regularly.
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