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Yellow491 said:
ImbackYo said:
julian987R said:
I am sure the sea air of Poole has helped with that.
Seems a fair price considering its ownership legacy and uniqueness.
What legacy? You're joking surely. What has it won and where did it compete and who drove it?Seems a fair price considering its ownership legacy and uniqueness.
Owned and decorated by swampy doesnt count.
Julian u smoking something again,the car is a mismash.
Nothing against the bloke, he's carving out a niche that's been done many times before by many different folk-Emory, Dickinson, Tuthill and even Manthey I suppose.
I suppose any of those, you buy into what they build and if it's your thing then that's great.
I know what you mean but then I've always had a massive soft spot for a B+B Porsche from the Buchmann brothers 
https://www.elferspot.com/en/magazin/rainer-buchma...
https://www.elferspot.com/en/magazin/rainer-buchma...
Pflanzgarten said:
I know what you mean but then I've always had a massive soft spot for a B+B Porsche from the Buchmann brothers
https://www.elferspot.com/en/magazin/rainer-buchma...
I’ve never heard of him and having looked at his website I wish I never had !!! His Mercedes Pullman is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen on 4 wheels https://www.elferspot.com/en/magazin/rainer-buchma...
Some people have a thing for property developers. I think his silver 930 looks great, just some chunky tyres and a mild drop.
Despite how well executed they are I think Singers look heavy. The height of the sill and door look too thick compared to the window. Real long hoods are rarely that low, the sill is about at the height of the centre of the wheels. I also think Fuchs over 15 inches look heavy, the centre is too "filled in". Need something with thinner spokes.
I am surprised that the million doller restomods aren't even more upgraded, with double wishbone suspension, 4 valve heads, modern induction, etc.
I thought someone like Elephant Racing would have had a bolt/weld in front subframe with double wishbone suspension and revised steering rack location, at least for the water cooled cars, by now.
Despite how well executed they are I think Singers look heavy. The height of the sill and door look too thick compared to the window. Real long hoods are rarely that low, the sill is about at the height of the centre of the wheels. I also think Fuchs over 15 inches look heavy, the centre is too "filled in". Need something with thinner spokes.
I am surprised that the million doller restomods aren't even more upgraded, with double wishbone suspension, 4 valve heads, modern induction, etc.
I thought someone like Elephant Racing would have had a bolt/weld in front subframe with double wishbone suspension and revised steering rack location, at least for the water cooled cars, by now.
Cleanhands said:
Some people have a thing for property developers. I think his silver 930 looks great, just some chunky tyres and a mild drop.
Despite how well executed they are I think Singers look heavy. The height of the sill and door look too thick compared to the window. Real long hoods are rarely that low, the sill is about at the height of the centre of the wheels. I also think Fuchs over 15 inches look heavy, the centre is too "filled in". Need something with thinner spokes.
I am surprised that the million doller restomods aren't even more upgraded, with double wishbone suspension, 4 valve heads, modern induction, etc.
I thought someone like Elephant Racing would have had a bolt/weld in front subframe with double wishbone suspension and revised steering rack location, at least for the water cooled cars, by now.
Good point but there might be more to it than that. Surely you can't just weld in a front tub and that's it? Despite how well executed they are I think Singers look heavy. The height of the sill and door look too thick compared to the window. Real long hoods are rarely that low, the sill is about at the height of the centre of the wheels. I also think Fuchs over 15 inches look heavy, the centre is too "filled in". Need something with thinner spokes.
I am surprised that the million doller restomods aren't even more upgraded, with double wishbone suspension, 4 valve heads, modern induction, etc.
I thought someone like Elephant Racing would have had a bolt/weld in front subframe with double wishbone suspension and revised steering rack location, at least for the water cooled cars, by now.
If it is doable, I'm amazed they command the price tag they do without a DW front end.
It would be interesting to look in the wheel arches of a regular 992 versus a GT3 to see how the upper wishbone is mounted. If Porsche are making say 10,000 "GT3s" I would imagine there would not be many differences in the Body In White.
As their suspension is not a conventional double wishbone, rather an upper wishbone with a regular coffin and caster arm at the bottom it could be as simple as welding a strengthening plate with mounts at a specified point on each side of the front tub and using custom upper wishbones and uprights, or even something from another vehicle. Mounting the bottom of the strut would be an issue and would require a custom coffin arm. Maybe it has already been looked into and there just isn't the market for it.
As their suspension is not a conventional double wishbone, rather an upper wishbone with a regular coffin and caster arm at the bottom it could be as simple as welding a strengthening plate with mounts at a specified point on each side of the front tub and using custom upper wishbones and uprights, or even something from another vehicle. Mounting the bottom of the strut would be an issue and would require a custom coffin arm. Maybe it has already been looked into and there just isn't the market for it.
Cleanhands said:
It would be interesting to look in the wheel arches of a regular 992 versus a GT3 to see how the upper wishbone is mounted. If Porsche are making say 10,000 "GT3s" I would imagine there would not be many differences in the Body In White.
As their suspension is not a conventional double wishbone, rather an upper wishbone with a regular coffin and caster arm at the bottom it could be as simple as welding a strengthening plate with mounts at a specified point on each side of the front tub and using custom upper wishbones and uprights, or even something from another vehicle. Mounting the bottom of the strut would be an issue and would require a custom coffin arm. Maybe it has already been looked into and there just isn't the market for it.
On the 992 GT3 the upper wishbone mounts are in the main chassis tube/crash structure. The normal 992 does not have the mounts. This is all aluminium so you can't safely weld the mounts in, but it is modular in construction with much of it glued and rivetted together and is designed to be replaceable if crashed.As their suspension is not a conventional double wishbone, rather an upper wishbone with a regular coffin and caster arm at the bottom it could be as simple as welding a strengthening plate with mounts at a specified point on each side of the front tub and using custom upper wishbones and uprights, or even something from another vehicle. Mounting the bottom of the strut would be an issue and would require a custom coffin arm. Maybe it has already been looked into and there just isn't the market for it.
On an aircooled, I don't think there is enough room to fit an upper wishbone, unless it was very short (bad for geometry). The only ones I've seen it done on were the Baja type of cars with a much wider track, where double wishbones are both possible and advantageous over the standard strut layout. This image is TJ Russel's 964 Baja racer, which utilises an extra bolt-in subframe to mount the upper wishbone.
Pflanzgarten said:
Nothing against the bloke, he's carving out a niche that's been done many times before by many different folk-Emory, Dickinson, Tuthill and even Manthey I suppose.
I'm sure even Magnus wouldn't consider himself worthy of being compared to any of these guys, companies. Magnus is very much predominantly about the aesthetics, believe it or not.Thanks Greenhell. As you say there really isn't the space to have long enough upper arms. My interest stemmed from someone, incorrectly, telling me that the Guntherwerks cars were double wishbone. Must admit their track speed is very impresive, still not sure about the looks though, but I don't consider them restomods or backdates.
julian987R said:
That’s a beauty 😍 I advertised mine on PCARMARKET -
Will be interesting to see where the bids end up...
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1988-porsche-93...
Will be interesting to see where the bids end up...
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1988-porsche-93...
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