Where have all the 3.2,s gone?
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Hi OP. Phil Raby has this coming in... be quick!
http://philipraby.co.uk/showroom/1986-porsche-911-...
http://philipraby.co.uk/showroom/1986-porsche-911-...
Outliar said:
Hi OP. Phil Raby has this coming in... be quick!
http://philipraby.co.uk/showroom/1986-porsche-911-...
Is that the one that was at Oulton Park on Friday? Its a rare colour that.http://philipraby.co.uk/showroom/1986-porsche-911-...
Edited by mollytherocker on Sunday 22 March 21:31
...nah not for me I'm after a '88 - '89 car, low miles, no more than 30,000, FPSH, all MOT's no rust, black with linen leather with working aircon, 2 keys, and sat in by the Dali Lama, Elton John and Princess Di (that was one hell of a party)...I'm willing to pay upto but no more than £15k. I happy to wait till prices ease off of a bit....
Black_mamba said:
...nah not for me I'm after a '88 - '89 car, low miles, no more than 30,000, FPSH, all MOT's no rust, black with linen leather with working aircon, 2 keys, and sat in by the Dali Lama, Elton John and Princess Di (that was one hell of a party)...I'm willing to pay upto but no more than £15k. I happy to wait till prices ease off of a bit....
Sounds reasonable.I will meet up with you at the end of time to see how thats going....
Black_mamba said:
...nah not for me I'm after a '88 - '89 car, low miles, no more than 30,000, FPSH, all MOT's no rust, black with linen leather with working aircon, 2 keys, and sat in by the Dali Lama, Elton John and Princess Di (that was one hell of a party)...I'm willing to pay upto but no more than £15k. I happy to wait till prices ease off of a bit....
Well that's the other end of the market seesaw V reconditioned 3.2 Carrera for £80k with 0 miles (reset from circa 110k). Which has had pretty major rust removed!g7jhp said:
Black_mamba said:
...nah not for me I'm after a '88 - '89 car, low miles, no more than 30,000, FPSH, all MOT's no rust, black with linen leather with working aircon, 2 keys, and sat in by the Dali Lama, Elton John and Princess Di (that was one hell of a party)...I'm willing to pay upto but no more than £15k. I happy to wait till prices ease off of a bit....
Well that's the other end of the market seesaw V reconditioned 3.2 Carrera for £80k with 0 miles (reset from circa 110k). Which has had pretty major rust removed!Then asking uber top money!
Be afraid, be very afraid, as they say I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see.
The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see. The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
truckpdt said:
Be afraid, be very afraid, as they say I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see.
The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
A top post. Wise words. I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see. The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
mollytherocker said:
truckpdt said:
Be afraid, be very afraid, as they say I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see.
The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
A top post. Wise words. I've been to see quite a few Carrera 3.2's of late and you really do need to have a dam good poke around underneath. I took along a maglite torch and home made wooden back with carpet and roller-skates so I could easily traverse the lengths of the car underneath or get the car on the ramps if they have it. The oil cooler pipes are drivers side and with the heat variance, they tend to rust more this side. I've seen so called good examples with various obvious rust in all sorts of areas. Front wings, rear wings, kidney bowls (with limited access), sills etc. and a lot of it, you just can't see. Some of the rust was really obvious when you look up close as well.....front wings for example are a classic and they're not cheap from Porsche!!! I always look for strong evidence of "decent" money spent over the years. To be honest I'm less worried about mechanicals as they're quite robust and even those needing a top end will still run on and appear not bad at all. It's the body structure that needs to be investigated and a lot of it you just can't see. If you don't see any bills for body work repairs then factor it in if you have long term ownership in mind. I've also seen adverts that boast a great service history, but these cars are 25-30 years old and quite often they do have a wedge of history, but more often than not it's routine servicing and nothing major showing with the odd SSI or exhaust tailpipe to get through an MOT. Problem is, unless you do an independent inspection, the seller doesn't really expect you to read through 25 years of history for which a 1/4 might be replacement tyres, mots, and some being routine servicing etc. All well and good, but it's the big bills you want to see. The problem at the moment is that the market is high and so average examples cost very decent money and it's easy to be all wide eyed on first impressions and part with your cash all too easily only to feel the doubts start to set in once you've owned it for a while. Purchased based on proper research or use Peter Morgan to inspect the car. I'd ALWAYS go for an independent inspection on a car this age.
IMHO it's best to up your budget and secure a car that's had a decent wedge spent on it. I think racingrestorations has one at something like £38K, (don't quote me) but it's had top end, overhauled suspension, glass out respray, kidney bowls, sills etc. etc. So if you're thinking of spending £28K or £30K for example and there's another at £38K with the amount of work done I've just quoted then there's no way that the difference of 8-10K would cover ALL this work.
Just giving you my input based on recent experience. I really like the 3.2 but a lot of them don't drive well and you totally NEED to drive a good one in order to compare with the examples of the market and then consider what I've said above.
Great cars though and set up right drive beautifully.
I am thinking of selling my rather nice 3.2 cab in the near future. It is GP white, just restored but It all depends on a 996 tt...............
And you wont need to poke about underneath with a screwdriver as it has just undergone an extensive restoration and did not need welding! It has had a bare metal repaint, new full leather trim, new hood ,carpets, brakes etc the list goes on as did the demand on my bank account but I wanted the job done correctly.
I certainly agree fully that careful inspection on any 3.2 of this age is mandatory I saw many before buying mine. Mind you I have seen my fare share of 996 tt dogs as well, and I thought 3.2 parts were expensive!!!!
Wife is not so sure about a tt:-(
I was just re reading Truckpt's post and have to agree about history files. Who actually cares that 22 years ago the plugs were changed? It is all history. What the thick history file that should always accompany a Porsche does do, certainly in the case of my car was to confirm the mileage, and that a new clutch had been fitted (at great expense) just before I bought it. Lots of waste paper but essential. A bit of a paradox really.
And you wont need to poke about underneath with a screwdriver as it has just undergone an extensive restoration and did not need welding! It has had a bare metal repaint, new full leather trim, new hood ,carpets, brakes etc the list goes on as did the demand on my bank account but I wanted the job done correctly.
I certainly agree fully that careful inspection on any 3.2 of this age is mandatory I saw many before buying mine. Mind you I have seen my fare share of 996 tt dogs as well, and I thought 3.2 parts were expensive!!!!
Wife is not so sure about a tt:-(
I was just re reading Truckpt's post and have to agree about history files. Who actually cares that 22 years ago the plugs were changed? It is all history. What the thick history file that should always accompany a Porsche does do, certainly in the case of my car was to confirm the mileage, and that a new clutch had been fitted (at great expense) just before I bought it. Lots of waste paper but essential. A bit of a paradox really.
Edited by Type 49 on Tuesday 24th March 22:22
One point to those deciding to sell their beloved 3.2 or SC at big bucks - if you're going to do this, then it's prudent to remove old sales adverts from 2 or so years ago that show the car for sale with a previous vendor for £13K when you're asking £30K for example For the buyer it's a reality check and a double take of the historic advert from say 2 years ago , especially when combined with a below average example.
I have to admit I do love the looks of the SC/C32's etc., and the drive or a WELL SORTED ONE, but when buying for god sake ignore their seducing looks as it clouds the mind from any logical path of thinking.....most look good on top. Have a predefined check list with you before you go, and tick it off, otherwise you won't remember everything. If you don't trust yourself to act rationally or methodically then take somebody with you and ask them to look at the documentation while you look at the car....share the responsibility so you don't take too much of the dealers time. The other person will be less seduced as they're not buying. Finally, this should decide if you want a PPI with Peter Morgan.
Remember, a lot of these cars look good from a distance and in photos. Get up close and personal Probe, probe and more probing. The poor old 3.2 won't know what's hit it - a bit like asking a good looking girl to buy you a drink and quickly before the pub closes !!
Good luck to those still seeking a good well cared for C32 at reasonable money. I would confess to pretty much declaring myself out based on the high cost for what might be a below average example that subsequently hits your wallet hard in the future and hence my comments on looking for STRONG EVIDENCE OF DECENT MONEY SPENT. I guess it all comes down to personal choice, but are they THAT great at this money? They're good, but they don't compare to the purer 70's cars IMHO. Another thought to perhaps have, is what else you can get at Carrera 3.2 money in the modern 911 world. The moderns aren't for everyone and I don't want to open a comparison debate or I'll never go to bed, but a 996 Turbo for example is at Carrera 3.2 money (if you figure on 30-35K), and makes a hell of a case for itself in comparison especially with the metz engine!!! I was going to add "but, be quick" to the last sentence but I'd sound like a dealer casting his line.
For the buyer it's a reality check and a double take of the historic advert from say 2 years ago , especially when combined with a below average example.I have to admit I do love the looks of the SC/C32's etc., and the drive or a WELL SORTED ONE, but when buying for god sake ignore their seducing looks as it clouds the mind from any logical path of thinking.....most look good on top. Have a predefined check list with you before you go, and tick it off, otherwise you won't remember everything. If you don't trust yourself to act rationally or methodically then take somebody with you and ask them to look at the documentation while you look at the car....share the responsibility so you don't take too much of the dealers time. The other person will be less seduced as they're not buying. Finally, this should decide if you want a PPI with Peter Morgan.
Remember, a lot of these cars look good from a distance and in photos. Get up close and personal
Probe, probe and more probing. The poor old 3.2 won't know what's hit it - a bit like asking a good looking girl to buy you a drink and quickly before the pub closes !! Good luck to those still seeking a good well cared for C32 at reasonable money. I would confess to pretty much declaring myself out based on the high cost for what might be a below average example that subsequently hits your wallet hard in the future and hence my comments on looking for STRONG EVIDENCE OF DECENT MONEY SPENT. I guess it all comes down to personal choice, but are they THAT great at this money? They're good, but they don't compare to the purer 70's cars IMHO. Another thought to perhaps have, is what else you can get at Carrera 3.2 money in the modern 911 world. The moderns aren't for everyone and I don't want to open a comparison debate or I'll never go to bed, but a 996 Turbo for example is at Carrera 3.2 money (if you figure on 30-35K), and makes a hell of a case for itself in comparison especially with the metz engine!!! I was going to add "but, be quick" to the last sentence but I'd sound like a dealer casting his line.
Edited by truckpdt on Tuesday 24th March 22:23
Edited by truckpdt on Tuesday 24th March 22:28
Type 49 said:
I am thinking of selling my rather nice 3.2 cab in the near future. It is GP white, just restored but It all depends on a 996 tt...............
And you wont need to poke about underneath with a screwdriver as it has just undergone an extensive restoration and did not need welding! It has had a bare metal repaint, new full leather trim, new hood ,carpets, brakes etc the list goes on as did the demand on my bank account but I wanted the job done correctly.
I certainly agree fully that careful inspection on any 3.2 of this age is mandatory I saw many before buying mine. Mind you I have seen my fare share of 996 tt dogs as well, and I thought 3.2 parts were expensive!!!!
Wife is not so sure about a tt:-(
Surely what you want is a Mk1 Mexico RS1600 or RS2000? Did the Sport have that shell? And you wont need to poke about underneath with a screwdriver as it has just undergone an extensive restoration and did not need welding! It has had a bare metal repaint, new full leather trim, new hood ,carpets, brakes etc the list goes on as did the demand on my bank account but I wanted the job done correctly.
I certainly agree fully that careful inspection on any 3.2 of this age is mandatory I saw many before buying mine. Mind you I have seen my fare share of 996 tt dogs as well, and I thought 3.2 parts were expensive!!!!
Wife is not so sure about a tt:-(
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