Retro 911's

[Yellow491]

Robbo66 said:

Nothing beats old aircooled...out for run yesterday in ST. Turn it up

https://youtu.be/5N6Ei_OfcN4

Sweet as!

[Porsche911R]

Slippydiff said:

Drove the RPM Technik 981 CSR, and almost did a high spec 981 S based, Jens tuned 3.8 X51 powerkit engine conversion build, but bottled it.
Thought about doing the same with a Gen 2 987 S, but tbh the 987 R/S chassis didn’t really need another 100hp !! It was plenty quick enough in standard form.
Toyed with a 964/993 RS Evocation build, but the right (LHD non-sunroof) base cars aren’t cheap.

New project purchased, though currently being “fettled”. It’s watercooled and has a large dose (currently 500hp) of non-standard N/A horsepower

A 997 GT3 with a 4.1 ? or not a Porsche !!!

[Blue62]

MrVert said:

For that sort of budget, you should be able to do something similar to this:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

I'd definitely be on the phone to Tutthill, they do the best backdate / restomods I've seen.

If you decide to do it.....you'll have to do a build thread!

Thanks again, that's exactly the sort of car I have in mind, a sort of Singer on a budget! I plan to visit two or three of the aforementioned and note your recommendation for Tuthill, they seem to be the least 'flash' which is always a good start for me.

I will keep this updated if I get a project going.

[Cheburator mk2]

Porsche911R said:

A 997 GT3 with a 4.1 ? or not a Porsche !!!

Knowing Mr Slippy's affection for the Irn-Bru of watercooled cars - (Original and Best TM) - the 996 GT3 I would bet that is the Richard Chamberlain (CTR developments) built beast with ITBs and Motec....

[Rocket.]

Nice dilemma to have OP, 15 years ago I had Tuthill engined 2.7 RS rep which was fantastic, but I think if I were building something today with your budget I'd go 964 based and would love it to look something like this

[Blue62]

As a newcomer to classic Porsche I don't quite get the reverence for the 964, which seems out of step with their values when compared to the 993. I drove one briefly many years ago and all I can really remember is how much more satisfying the gearbox was in my 993 along with the extra grunt, but I'd be interested to know owner's views.

[Slippydiff]

MrVert said:

For that sort of budget, you should be able to do something similar to this:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

I'd definitely be on the phone to Tutthill, they do the best backdate / restomods I've seen.

If you decide to do it.....you'll have to do a build thread!

Build thread here :

https://rennlist.com/forums/911-forum/955547-9m11r...

[Slippydiff]

Blue62 said:

As a newcomer to classic Porsche I don't quite get the reverence for the 964, which seems out of step with their values when compared to the 993. I drove one briefly many years ago and all I can really remember is how much more satisfying the gearbox was in my 993 along with the extra grunt, but I'd be interested to know owner's views.

My experiences come form RS ownership of both models.

It's a funny old world. 5-7 years ago you could barely give a 964 away and the 993 was heralded for being the last of (and the best built) of the air cooled cars, though personally I didn't buy into the latter "myth", though many did, and were prepared to pay a good deal more money for the privilege of owning what many considered (and still do consider) to be the superior car.

The 993 IS a fine car, but so is the 964, and the earlier car retains the "proper" front wings and headlamps, which seems to gain it further desirability.

The 993 gearshift isn't renowed for being superior to that of the 964, and I actually prefer the 964 'change. My guess is you may have driven a sub-standard example ?

Both models can be improved with better quality (firmer) engine/transmission mounts and the fitment of the RS shift rod or one of the numerous aftermarket items that does the same thing (removes the squidgy standard rubber flexi-joint and replaces it with a metal UJ) add the RS short shift kit and you'll never question the quality of the 964 shift again...

I'm not a fan of the 993 rear suspension, and whilst the 964's rear set up is crude, harsh and allows more NVH into the cabin, it's more "honest" and gives a more seat of the pants experience when pressing on. Sure it has it's limitations, but it's worthwhile price to pay for the improved feel of connected"ness".

I prefer the sound the sound of the 964 engine/induction/exhaust combination, and for the ultimate noise, fit a cat bypass, a Cup pipe and drill the airbox lid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpNY-Kmpe54

[worldwidewebs]

Slippydiff said:

Build thread here :

https://rennlist.com/forums/911-forum/955547-9m11r...

How much does something like that cost to build?

[MrVert]

Slippydiff said:

Build thread here :

https://rennlist.com/forums/911-forum/955547-9m11r...

Thanks. Good read that!

Just goes to show, it's the attention to detail and knowledge of the cars that matters when doing one of these.

[Steve Rance]

There’s a strong argument for keeping the body shape pretty standard and upgrading the running gear and engine to create the spec that you want. All 911’s are completely transformed when they are lowered. A car which already has inherently classic body shape becomes a thing of beauty if it’s been done well. No real need to change body panels - although there are some beautiful reps out there.

[Steve Rance]

OP, if you can make it doewn to suffolk, I'm happy to take you out for a ride in a modified 964. That will give you an idea of the visual and driving experiences

[Cheib]

One of the guys from Auto Farm talks about back dates in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpaoNnY9lMU

[Cheib]

And there was of course Chris Harris and Kermit which was built by Tuthill

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/news/2015/5/chr...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMHrYiNFIQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG47U4pY6js&li...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpVxnjVrQmM&li...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcAUuV9V6sI&li...

[Blue62]

Steve Rance said:

OP, if you can make it doewn to suffolk, I'm happy to take you out for a ride in a modified 964. That will give you an idea of the visual and driving experiences

That's very kind, if this thing starts to get proper traction I will pm you, thanks again.

[donutskidmark]

I’d definitely go for a Tuthill or Ninemeister if you have the funds......

http://www.tuthillporsche.com/photos-video/project...



https://www.ninemeister.com/9m93rs

You know either will be pure quality.

[EGTE]

Rocket. said:

Nice dilemma to have OP, 15 years ago I had Tuthill engined 2.7 RS rep which was fantastic, but I think if I were building something today with your budget I'd go 964 based and would love it to look something like this

Damn, that looks superb.

[Wozy68]

Blue62 said:

As a newcomer to classic Porsche I don't quite get the reverence for the 964, which seems out of step with their values when compared to the 993. I drove one briefly many years ago and all I can really remember is how much more satisfying the gearbox was in my 993 along with the extra grunt, but I'd be interested to know owner's views.

I’m with you Blue. It’s known well that I’m not the biggest fan of the 964, but I do understand that the 964 can be improved greatly from standard.
What I can’t understand is that you stated in your OP that the 993 C2 was your favourite Porsche of them all.

So the question must be asked, why arnt you considering one. The great thing about the 993 is you can make it as raw as you wish, plus a 993 seems (higher mileage at least) better value for money IMO.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. If hustling down an unknown twisty country road, I’d have a 993 over any earlier 911. The C2 manual, is a magic bit of old school Porsche with a modern twist.

Best of look with whichever choice you make. Every drive in an old Porsche always ends up as an adventure

[Jay..]

I think people are drawn to the idea of the 964 as its a really nice balance between old and new. The 993 starts to get a bit too modern for some. I do think they're great value now, a few c2 manuals around the mid 30s

[Blue62]

Wozy68 said:

I’m with you Blue. It’s known well that I’m not the biggest fan of the 964, but I do understand that the 964 can be improved greatly from standard.
What I can’t understand is that you stated in your OP that the 993 C2 was your favourite Porsche of them all.

So the question must be asked, why arnt you considering one. The great thing about the 993 is you can make it as raw as you wish, plus a 993 seems (higher mileage at least) better value for money IMO.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. If hustling down an unknown twisty country road, I’d have a 993 over any earlier 911. The C2 manual, is a magic bit of old school Porsche with a modern twist.

Best of look with whichever choice you make. Every drive in an old Porsche always ends up as an adventure

I have considered a 993 and it's still an option but I've fallen for the long bonnet, classic look I'm afraid. It started with drooling over Singer's and has spiralled into doing something wicked to an old, unloved 964. I am a little concerned about the purist side of me getting in the way and I'm also halfway through a house build project, so I won't be making a final decision anytime soon, though I have had a couple of long chats with Ninemeister after reading the thread on here.

It seems the guy who commissioned that dolomite grey build only kept it for a couple of months, my intention would be a 'car for life' so it's a concern that he got out so quickly, apparently taking a small loss.