Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

[GT3Manthey]

julian987R said:

This could be one of the nicest yet. I love the front valance - seems right and purposeful but not too incongruous

https://youtu.be/ty1p8WwViHY?t=31

Yup very nice .

Pricey no doubt

[Yellow491]

GT3Manthey said:

julian987R said:

This could be one of the nicest yet. I love the front valance - seems right and purposeful but not too incongruous

https://youtu.be/ty1p8WwViHY?t=31

Yup very nice .

Pricey no doubt

Great effort of craftsmanship,but truly fugly pimp mobile

[Slippydiff]

Yellow491 said:

Great effort of craftsmanship,but truly fugly pimp mobile

Styling courtesy of that great American design house Wonder and Charles ...

DLS best left to Singer methinks :

[Export56]

BertBert said:

Hateful. 3.0 SC at an inflated price with wheels and tyres that are absurdly huge. What is wrong with people?

All restomods seem to adopt the daft huge tyre look, it must be to cope with the huge 270 bhp from the 964 camshafts.

[Slippydiff]

Yellow491 said:

Great effort of craftsmanship,but truly fugly pimp mobile

Great effort on the craftmanship Paul ... ??

I do like a bit of quality engineering, but there seems to be a complete lack of it here :



Frunk heated towel rail anybody ...

Compare and contrast with a Singer frunk :

[julian987R]

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Great effort of craftsmanship,but truly fugly pimp mobile

Great effort on the craftmanship Paul ... ??

I do like a bit of quality engineering, but there seems to be a complete lack of it here :



Frunk heated towel rail anybody ...

Compare and contrast with a Singer frunk :

I think you are conflating engineering and leather craftsmanship. It does appear Singer do a very good job at a stitched leather frunk liner …and I am sure they do an even better job on the mark up on that feature.

….but I am sure, if you were going to lose sleep over it, that EvoMax (going by their interior craftsmanship) can provide nice frunk liners.

[Slippydiff]

julian987R said:

I think you are conflating engineering and leather craftsmanship. It does appear Singer do a very good job at a stitched leather frunk liner …and I am sure they do an even better job on the mark up on that feature.

….but I am sure, if you were going to lose sleep over it, that EvoMax (going by their interior craftsmanship) can provide nice frunk liners.

Oh, you’re back ...
I’m not conflating anything Julian, I’m looking at several sections of what I suspect is coolant hose, jubilee clipped in what can only be called a Heath Robinson manner, to a couple of pieces of poorly insulated pipe running right across the bootspace.
Now whilst I appreciate you wouldn’t know a crankshaft from camshaft, I’d hope you could understand that the engineering in such an arrangement is somewhat lacking, and from several perspectives.

I appreciate you’re somewhat lacking when it comes to all things aesthetic (mechanically) though on the basis you think the design of this car has some merit, let’s make that aesthetics period) But if someone manacled some pieces of rubber hose together with some ill-chosen jubilee clips and attached them to a couple of tubes with some heat insulating material cable tied around it, and then ran them straight across the frunk area of your Cayman, would you seriously look at it and think “Oh that’s nicely done” ?

Actually, it’s probably best you don’t answer that question ...

[julian987R]

Slippydiff said:

Oh, you’re back ...
I’m not conflating anything Julian, I’m looking at several sections of what I suspect is coolant hose, jubilee clipped in what can only be called a Heath Robinson manner, to a couple of pieces of poorly insulated pipe running right across the bootspace.
Now whilst I appreciate you wouldn’t know a crankshaft from camshaft, I’d hope you could understand that the engineering in such an arrangement is somewhat lacking, and from several perspectives.

I appreciate you’re somewhat lacking when it comes to all things aesthetic (mechanically) though on the basis you think the design of this car has some merit, let’s make that aesthetics period) But if someone manacled some pieces of rubber hose together with some ill-chosen jubilee clips and attached them to a couple of tubes with some heat insulating material cable tied around it, and then ran them straight across the frunk area of your Cayman, would you seriously look at it and think “Oh that’s nicely done” ?

Actually, it’s probably best you don’t answer that question ...

I 100% see your point. For some reason I thought it was about lack of liner....and who knows what its like in a Singer underneath the liner....but yep 100% see your point - totally agree and with you.

[Fast Bug]

Slippydiff said:

Great effort on the craftmanship Paul ... ??

I do like a bit of quality engineering, but there seems to be a complete lack of it here :

Jesus that looks utterly ste!

Such shoddy "engineering"

[julian987R]

Fast Bug said:

Slippydiff said:

Great effort on the craftmanship Paul ... ??

I do like a bit of quality engineering, but there seems to be a complete lack of it here :

Jesus that looks utterly ste!

Such shoddy "engineering"

perhaps, but I wonder what is hiding behind the posh leather frunk liner in a Singer.

[Slippydiff]

Fast Bug said:

Jesus that looks utterly ste!

Such shoddy "engineering"

It’s a sign we’re at, or rapidly approaching peak bubble, which in turn means every chancer is now jumping on the restomod bandwagon and cobbling together any old 5h*te in a attempt to cash in on the Singer’s effect. Some occasionally get within sniffing distance, whereas the most don’t even get close.

[Cheib]

BertBert said:

GTRene said:

just came across this one, maybe already posted (Ifso I forgot) but nice, its RHD so more fot you UK readers.
Looks very good me thinks, almost new and almost 120k.











https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1427140

Hateful. 3.0 SC at an inflated price with wheels and tyres that are absurdly huge. What is wrong with people?

Agree about the wheels….I think one of the great things about the early 911’s is that the wheels/tyres always tell you something about the engine sitting int he back of the car. Porsche literally put just enough rubber on the car to do the job….and in some cases you could say not enough. I look at this car and think it’s going to have probably pretty awful steering and probably not be that exciting to drive.

[Fast Bug]

julian987R said:

Fast Bug said:

Slippydiff said:

Great effort on the craftmanship Paul ... ??

I do like a bit of quality engineering, but there seems to be a complete lack of it here :

Jesus that looks utterly ste!

Such shoddy "engineering"

perhaps, but I wonder what is hiding behind the posh leather frunk liner in a Singer.

I'm willing to bet nothing like that, and at least you can use the frunk. I honestly wouldn't accept domething like that on a £20k build car, let alone however much they want to empty your wallet for their car

[Fast Bug]

Slippydiff said:

It’s a sign we’re at, or rapidly approaching peak bubble, which in turn means every chancer is now jumping on the restomod bandwagon and cobbling together any old 5h*te in a attempt to cash in on the Singer’s effect. Some occasionally get within sniffing distance, whereas the most don’t even get close.

I think I said it before earlier in this thread, some of the build quality and panel gaps I've seen on some back dates is truly horrific.

[julian987R]

I still think it is a very worthy example of a restomod done right. not withstaning the clips, there might be method to their madness, but looking at the praise it is getting and the attention to detail then maybe those clips are forgivable - might be work in progress there.

This is definitely Porsche 911 restomodding done right

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/evomax-chal...

[RM]

julian987R said:

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Great effort of craftsmanship,but truly fugly pimp mobile

Great effort on the craftmanship Paul ... ??

I do like a bit of quality engineering, but there seems to be a complete lack of it here :



Frunk heated towel rail anybody ...

Compare and contrast with a Singer frunk :

I think you are conflating engineering and leather craftsmanship. It does appear Singer do a very good job at a stitched leather frunk liner …and I am sure they do an even better job on the mark up on that feature.

….but I am sure, if you were going to lose sleep over it, that EvoMax (going by their interior craftsmanship) can provide nice frunk liners.

What you are both failing to compare is water cooled and air cooled. I assume the former needs a few more heated towel rails.

[Slippydiff]

julian987R said:

I still think it is a very worthy example of a restomod done right. not withstaning the clips, there might be method to their madness, but looking at the praise it is getting and the attention to detail then maybe those clips are forgivable - might be work in progress there.

This is definitely Porsche 911 restomodding done right

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/evomax-chal...

I’ve read it all now, these guys are fitting 5 speed gearboxes to 993’s that came with 6 speed boxes from the factory, AND fitting 6 speed manual gearboxes from 997 Cup cars into 964’s (see image below)

It is of course entirely possible some 997 Cup cars were fitted with manual boxes, but all the ones I’ve seen had sequential items ...
I did check to see if the article was dated the 1st of April, but it wasn’t.

Rest assured nothing I’ve seen in their videos or read in that article convinces me that any of this companies conversions get anywhere close to what Singer does.





If anyone thinks this ^ is “restomodding done right”, I’d suggest a visit to Specsavers is in order, and pronto ...

[Slippydiff]

julian987R said:

perhaps, but I wonder what is hiding behind the posh leather frunk liner in a Singer.

Here you go, from 12 mins 12 secs on :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQ4hQSusjE

And all of it executed properly and to the high standard you’d expect from Singer

[Yellow491]

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Great effort of craftsmanship,but truly fugly pimp mobile

Great effort on the craftmanship Paul ... ??

I do like a bit of quality engineering, but there seems to be a complete lack of it here :



Frunk heated towel rail anybody ...

Compare and contrast with a Singer frunk :

Slippy i was taking the piss,i dont even like singers, friend has a dls on order as we could not get through to him!’)
Nothing wrong with a 997rsr gearbox In a old snotter,may be we should strap a few hotroders in the hot seat.

[Yellow491]

Cheib said:

BertBert said:

GTRene said:

just came across this one, maybe already posted (Ifso I forgot) but nice, its RHD so more fot you UK readers.
Looks very good me thinks, almost new and almost 120k.











https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1427140

Hateful. 3.0 SC at an inflated price with wheels and tyres that are absurdly huge. What is wrong with people?

Agree about the wheels….I think one of the great things about the early 911’s is that the wheels/tyres always tell you something about the engine sitting int he back of the car. Porsche literally put just enough rubber on the car to do the job….and in some cases you could say not enough. I look at this car and think it’s going to have probably pretty awful steering and probably not be that exciting to drive.

How do you work out the steering will be awful from some pics.
A st with 8&9 set up properly is a joy to behold.