964 Turbo wanted

[headlesshorseman]

charge said:

Hi Headlesshorseman. Haven't seen you around for a while?
As Spark s says, Richard Chamberlin was asked by James's family to find a home for the 964 after he passed away. I knew James from a while back, and actually sold him the speedlines on the car now, and also followed the build thread on the car as he did it on Rennlist, which still makes for a fascinating read http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/964-turbo-fo...
Anyway, I bumped into Richard at Brands in March when he told me about the car, and having used CTR Developments to build my last engine, and the work they had carried out on James's car, it was a no brainer to buy it. Have to say, after talking to James and reading about the car in wonder I still can't believe I own it some times!
The last two times I have drove it before tucking away for the winter had me thinking about the car, as James had very different requirements of it than me, mainly to go mental fast on a runway! I did want to do the odd track day but have been too busy at work and tied up in a race team at the odd free weekend so it has only been road use, which is no good for this car, or my health. A bootfull off a slip road onto an A road has the rears light up at 65mph and me joining the road sideways, the last drive got me tugged by the old bill for a quick squeeze of power (on low boost) to join the A130 and 'apparently' hit 115mph on a short slip. Started to make me think it was all a bit too much, and maybe I have got old!

Samantha... no disrespect intended. You car looks absolutely lovely! I do hope you get the right money for it.

Edited by charge on Friday 6th December 08:08

Thanks for the update on your car was a real project and glad James got it finished,
.As for PH i pop in from time to time but never seems to be much 964t talk other than prices which gets stale real quick for me.
The damaged thing is interesting as i would hazzard a guess that over 50 percent or more have a story of one sort or another as no matter what the Walter Rohls on PH say you need a bit of driving talent to drive one really quickly on the twisties and since i got my 964 i have seen 7 964 3.6t in salvage auctions and 5 964 3.3t thats in the last 5-6 years.

when i was looking for my 964t there were plenty around and prices had not begun to go north that much i looked at quite a few and although hpi clear most had major repair work which in its self is no problem for me as i work in the motor salvage industry i can appreciate the amount of work involved in repairing a damaged car properly and especially an old car like 964t.
The car that is being discussed in this thread if true had 30k spent repairing the roof etc by a porsche specialist then by definition in my eyes would be worth a look.

[charge]

I do agree that a previously damaged car are a viable proposition, and have had a few myself years back when you could buy them for the right money.
Problem is people paying top money for these want a blemish free record, hence the amount of cars that show up with hidden pasts!
It is the same with anything worth money, 356's, RS's the lot.
As I have said on here before, there are many high end dealers that either knowing sell a made up cars, or even fabricate provenance. Can be the difference between buying a car in for £60k and knocking it out for £100k. Big profits for not much work!
As for the 964 in question, I try and put a value on things by what I would be willing to pay for something with the view most people would be in a similar boat. As the nicest seem to make £55-£70k, with lowish mileage, and the more standard the better, you have to wonder on a hopped up car with non standard wheels amongst other bits, and slightly unsavory history, repaired well or not. If it was your hard earned, what would you be prepared to put in to it?

The seller started off by claiming it was their neighbours car!
Next thing you know, this car was owned by Walter Rohl himself, and cracked a 7.22 minute lap round the ring, and has only 5,000 miles fully documented from new with only two previous owners, Walter, and a nun who drove the other 4988 miles incident free never over 60 kph and in the dry only on Sundays!

Edited by charge on Saturday 7th December 18:57

Edited by charge on Saturday 7th December 19:05

[ras62]

A £30k repair at todays asking price would probably mean this car would be a write off, when it happened it most certainly would have been. So not even cat D or C. Im intrigued to know if samantha bought this car knowing its true history or not?

[LWT RSR]

I'd give her £30K for the car right now and not a penny more.

Lovely looking car that goes like st but is not worth anywhere near £65K.

Having fun in Le Mans a couple of years ago.

[headlesshorseman]

charge said:

I do agree that a previously damaged car are a viable proposition, and have had a few myself years back when you could buy them for the right money.
Problem is people paying top money for these want a blemish free record, hence the amount of cars that show up with hidden pasts!
It is the same with anything worth money, 356's, RS's the lot.
As I have said on here before, there are many high end dealers that either knowing sell a made up cars, or even fabricate provenance. Can be the difference between buying a car in for £60k and knocking it out for £100k. Big profits for not much work!
As for the 964 in question, I try and put a value on things by what I would be willing to pay for something with the view most people would be in a similar boat. As the nicest seem to make £55-£70k, with lowish mileage, and the more standard the better, you have to wonder on a hopped up car with non standard wheels amongst other bits, and slightly unsavory history, repaired well or not. If it was your hard earned, what would you be prepared to put in to it?

The seller started off by claiming it was their neighbours car!
Next thing you know, this car was owned by Walter Rohl himself, and cracked a 7.22 minute lap round the ring, and has only 5,000 miles fully documented from new with only two previous owners, Walter, and a nun who drove the other 4988 miles incident free never over 60 kph and in the dry only on Sundays!Lol must of been the nun that bent it as walter can drive a bit.

Edited by charge on Saturday 7th December 18:57

Edited by charge on Saturday 7th December 19:05

[samantha]

For the record As a little bit of interest I said hey looks what is in my neighbours garage, ! Samantha is the present owner of the £65k turbo S bodied car,

Now the whole forum has turned into a bit of a farce,

I will continue to enjoy the car, hope the pictures put a smile on peoples faces and brought back fond memories to people who knew the car from the past ,

[Magna]

samantha said:

For the record As a little bit of interest I said hey looks what is in my neighbours garage, ! Samantha is the present owner of the £65k turbo S bodied car,

Actually you say "this is in my neighbours garage he was talking about selling it in the summer I may see him at the weekend and enquire"

So you can see why we were confused.

Anyway it's a nice looking car so I'd keep it. I regret selling mine. I assume the s ducts are after market as the 3.3 turbo S came out in 1992. Didn't think you could spec the option in 91.

[samantha]

I never got to the bottom of the rear turbo s Ducts being fitted , I use them for the rear disc cooling, so it will remain a mystery unless any one on here knows the story behind the Turbo S ducts, ?

[charge]

Mine feed each turbo, and are ducted across the top of each wheel liner to the cone air filters mounted up in there.
The originals were purely decoration from what I have read, although someone hinted they aid engine bay cooling, but I cant see how myself as they were never originally ducted.
They do look good though, and the noise through mine just hehind you head is epic when the pair of k27's finally wake up and get going. I genuinely think you can feel the pressure diffeence when they start sucking!

[Magna]

charge said:

Mine feed each turbo, and are ducted across the top of each wheel liner to the cone air filters mounted up in there.
The originals were purely decoration from what I have read, although someone hinted they aid engine bay cooling, but I cant see how myself as they were never originally ducted.
They do look good though, and the noise through mine just hehind you head is epic when the pair of k27's finally wake up and get going. I genuinely think you can feel the pressure diffeence when they start sucking!

Yeah but your car is a proper beast. Just keep it straight!

[samantha]

Have you tried putting a pressure regulator in line with your K27 s ? I have experimented loads with mine to get the turbo to spool up quicker and reduce lag on gear changes,

I have 1 bar waste gate springs an the regulator set at 1.3 bar so when boost pressure is hit at 1.3 bar it releases flow to operate the waste gate, then when gear change comes the turbo spools up instantly, I have a modified K29 simply awesome and starts boosting at 2.500 rpm and 0.
5bar at 3200 rpm massive boost onwards

[charge]

Thanks for the heads up.
I am a bit worried pulling mine about, as it is far, far from standard, and I would like to think Richard from CTR Developments has set it up to the best of his experiance. I think the biggest problem for road use are the turbos themselves, as the whole setup concentrated on top end, not drivability. I did look into a pair of Garret gt30's, but thought the better of it in the end as the whole package is so good ( the inconel headers, and pipework under there) it seemed sacralidge to start cutting it about.

Congrats on your sale by the way.
Did you do well, after all the speculation?

[robin993]

Good cars seem to sell very quickly. I recently sold a 3.6 turbo. It sold in a few hours and was shipped to the far east. I could have sold it 5 times.

[robin993]

Good cars seem to sell very quickly. I recently sold a 3.6 turbo. It sold in a few hours and was shipped to the far east. I could have sold it 5 times.

[charge]

Did it sell?
The lack of response suggests maybe it was a way of getting everyone off their back over the high asking price and past history discussions, which were described as a farce?
Thursday my neighbours car, Friday my car, Monday keep the car, Tuesday sold the car. Thursday, I fancy some Speedlines, some get offered. Monday, nah, feel like some Ruf wheels.
I have tried some sensible discourse, but do wonder if the whole thing is a waste of everyones time?

[Legacywr]

robin993 said:

Good cars seem to sell very quickly. I recently sold a 3.6 turbo. It sold in a few hours and was shipped to the far east. I could have sold it 5 times.

Can you tell us more?

[robin993]

It was the polar silver one that was on here with high mileage. I put it on PH one evening, it sold the next morning. It was a friend's car that i helped him get ready for sale. It sold to a dealer who exported it for an overseas customer who spotted it on PH. it went for very close to asking price.

Edited by robin993 on Friday 13th December 22:00