F430 (Manual) - a celebration

[Armen]

BARGAIN !!!! Even for a Red/Red car

[ZeroH]

Have to agree that car is a steal... surely underpriced... I'd buy it tomorrow if I didnt already have one !

[roygarth]

Nano2nd said:

I can get my head around depreciation its a fact of life, appreciation is a different concept lol

Good point. Frankly it does my head in. I used rising prices to justify buying a few more cars which I'd always wanted.

'Problem' now is that they've all rocketed in value. But I don't want to sell them because I enjoy using them. But if they fall in value I'll be kicking myself for not taking a profit.

I realise this is, perhaps, the ultimate 'first world problem', but it doesn't stop it doing my head in!

[Nano2nd]

ZeroH said:

Have to agree that car is a steal... surely underpriced... I'd buy it tomorrow if I didnt already have one !

i thought that same thing, i even thought if i swapped some of my black interior into it and ended up with a 2 cars with a black/red hybrid i'd be laughing all the way to the bank

the cynical side of me wants to know whats wrong with it? thats a lot less that the trade bid on mine ( less desirable "maybe" coupe and over double the miles)... or indeed the seller isn't up to speed on the current market, which i find hard to believe.

[100 IAN]

I phoned to ask further details about the car and they said it went yesterday morning. All paid for in full they said!

[ZeroH]

100 IAN said:

I phoned to ask further details about the car and they said it went yesterday morning. All paid for in full they said!

Well it was at an absolute minimum £25k underpriced.... I suspect the seller didnt really know the market !

[allister]

Nano2nd said:

"i even thought if i swapped some of my black interior into it and ended up with a 2 cars with a black/red hybrid i'd be laughing all the way to the bank"

I like your way of thinking - very smart.

[Nano2nd]

anyway someone further up asked if i had some better interior pics, i took these today however i didn't realise how sunny it was! they looked better on my iphone screen lol

[Armen]

100 IAN said:

I phoned to ask further details about the car and they said it went yesterday morning. All paid for in full they said!

That was obvious !
Thanks for confirmation.
Sold in few hours so.

[RamboLambo]

Benjy911 said:

Whilst looking for another car on their site I stumbled across this one...looks like the original owner liked the colour red!

http://www.junction17cars.co.uk//used-cars/FERRARI...

Cant believe the bonnet carpet is black and not red

[mwstewart]

'4 service records' - a 2005 car should have 10.

[cgt2]

mwstewart said:

'4 service records' - a 2005 car should have 10.

Is the case with the majority of cars on the market, people have assumed for years that if their car only does 1000 miles a year it does not need servicing. Ferrari clearly states every 12 months to maintain warranty.

Personally I think non-use is more of a reason to service more regularly to ensure oil is fresh etc and it makes no sense to be cheap on a car of such value, but it's the way of the Ferrari world.

[roygarth]

cgt2 said:

mwstewart said:

'4 service records' - a 2005 car should have 10.

Is the case with the majority of cars on the market, people have assumed for years that if their car only does 1000 miles a year it does not need servicing. Ferrari clearly states every 12 months to maintain warranty.

Personally I think non-use is more of a reason to service more regularly to ensure oil is fresh etc and it makes no sense to be cheap on a car of such value, but it's the way of the Ferrari world.

It is interesting how the entire of mainland Europe disagrees with the UK on this subject. They service more on mileage than time. I don't know whether this results in more mechanical problems, but if it did I would have thought they would have changed their approach?

"Ferrari clearly states every 12 months to maintain warranty" - well they would say this wouldn't they!

[mwstewart]

roygarth said:

It is interesting how the entire of mainland Europe disagrees with the UK on this subject. They service more on mileage than time. I don't know whether this results in more mechanical problems, but if it did I would have thought they would have changed their approach?

"Ferrari clearly states every 12 months to maintain warranty" - well they would say this wouldn't they!

On a purely technical basis I complete agree - I don't think there's a lot that degrdes on a modern car if stored well, however in terms of value there's an expectation in the UK market hence a negative affect on value if a car is not serviced according to the recommendation.

Four services (if that is indeed what they really mean in the advert) in 11 years has to pretty slack by anyones standards.

[ZeroH]

100 IAN said:

I phoned to ask further details about the car and they said it went yesterday morning. All paid for in full they said!

Hmmm... apparantly the owner took the car back !!!

[dang2407]

mwstewart said:

On a purely technical basis I complete agree - I don't think there's a lot that degrdes on a modern car if stored well, however in terms of value there's an expectation in the UK market hence a negative affect on value if a car is not serviced according to the recommendation.

Four services (if that is indeed what they really mean in the advert) in 11 years has to pretty slack by anyones standards.

12 months is stated to ensure work and hence momey for the Service Centres - pure and simple. There is no way that oil degrades from just sitting there (unless you do really short journeys where it does not get to operating temp).

[cgt2]

roygarth said:

It is interesting how the entire of mainland Europe disagrees with the UK on this subject.

Hence why it's hard to find the diamonds amongst all the rubbish over in Europe. When the exchange rate was more favourable, many people bought LHD cars from Europe purely on price, these are the same cars now languishing for months in the classifieds here.

I make sure my reliable German daily is serviced properly and regularly, so why people think they can just leave their Ferraris for two years or more at a time is honestly beyond me....

[roygarth]

dang2407 said:

mwstewart said:

On a purely technical basis I complete agree - I don't think there's a lot that degrdes on a modern car if stored well, however in terms of value there's an expectation in the UK market hence a negative affect on value if a car is not serviced according to the recommendation.

Four services (if that is indeed what they really mean in the advert) in 11 years has to pretty slack by anyones standards.

12 months is stated to ensure work and hence momey for the Service Centres - pure and simple. There is no way that oil degrades from just sitting there (unless you do really short journeys where it does not get to operating temp).

Precisely.

[ZeroH]

dang2407 said:

12 months is stated to ensure work and hence momey for the Service Centres - pure and simple. There is no way that oil degrades from just sitting there (unless you do really short journeys where it does not get to operating temp).

Yes but what makes sense from a practical maintenance perspective, and what the market demands if you want to ask top dollar for the car are very different things.

[roygarth]

cgt2 said:

roygarth said:

It is interesting how the entire of mainland Europe disagrees with the UK on this subject.

Hence why it's hard to find the diamonds amongst all the rubbish over in Europe. When the exchange rate was more favourable, many people bought LHD cars from Europe purely on price, these are the same cars now languishing for months in the classifieds here.

I make sure my reliable German daily is serviced properly and regularly, so why people think they can just leave their Ferraris for two years or more at a time is honestly beyond me....

The mistake the importers have made is that they have assumed that punters over here will overlook the larger gaps in service history in return for a lower retail price. But the 'Annual Service Regardless Of Mileage' mentality is so ingrained here that cars lacking SH can be difficult to sell. It doesn't actually mean there is anything wrong with said cars. They are difficult to sell partly because potential buyers are mindful of the fact that one day we will have to sell the car and lack of SH will make it difficult.

I've looked at cars with impeccable 'service history' which were in utter rubbish condition and vice-versa. We all know the form, the Service Manager rings up and says 'done the service and found the following'! At this point you decide what else to have done.

Even though I only do a couple of thousand miles per annum in them, I get my Ferrari/Porsche cars serviced every year purely to help sell them in the future. So although its bollix from an engineering/science point of view it has to be done. Daft really, but that's the way it is.