F430 (Manual) - a celebration
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Let's be honest about this..... If any other regular day to day car had travelled only 1,500 miles per annum and serviced every two years (so 3,000 miles over a two year period), would any of us really be that concerned - Probably not.
That said, these are high performance machines and I personally think that anyone who owns one should maintain it with that in mind - Yes, you may be servicing your car unnecessarily but I personally like to do this, just to I can feel happy that everything service wise remains tip top!
For example, my F430 with 21k miles on the clock, is technically only due a basic annual service in April of this year, yet I've still booked it in for it's 31,500 service, just to give me complete peace of mind that everything in terms of servicing is absolutely perfect - Probably not necessary but that's what makes me happy.
Scrimping may save me a few quid but the satisfaction I gain from knowing that every service element of my Ferrari is perfect, is worth so much more.
That said, these are high performance machines and I personally think that anyone who owns one should maintain it with that in mind - Yes, you may be servicing your car unnecessarily but I personally like to do this, just to I can feel happy that everything service wise remains tip top!
For example, my F430 with 21k miles on the clock, is technically only due a basic annual service in April of this year, yet I've still booked it in for it's 31,500 service, just to give me complete peace of mind that everything in terms of servicing is absolutely perfect - Probably not necessary but that's what makes me happy.
Scrimping may save me a few quid but the satisfaction I gain from knowing that every service element of my Ferrari is perfect, is worth so much more.
Nano2nd said:
allister said:
Doesn't sound good, thought it was cheap! - Do we know why it was returned?
lol maybe he read this thread and figured he'd missed a trick!Edited by allister on Monday 14th March 19:00
allister said:
Sorry, maybe I misunderstood - Did the new owner (purchaser) who it was said 'paid in full' for the car take it back to the dealer due to dis-satisfaction? Or was this a case of the owner (selling through the dealer) reclaiming the car?
The latter I understood.Edited by allister on Monday 14th March 19:00
Apart from the eye catching interior, it appeared to be a nice car.
It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
Drclarke said:
Apart from the eye catching interior, it appeared to be a nice car.
It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
But did they discount off the published ask price of the 458? If not then he's been robbed. (You don't mention mileage of the 430 but we'll assume it wasn't very high.) It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
Armen said:
For less than 6000 miles per year, a service every 2 years is perfectly enough according to many specialists and Ferrari mechanics I talked to.
Agree. I took a F430 into a Ferrari Main Dealer for an 'annual' service. The car had done 1000 miles since the previous service 12 months prior. The service manager suggested they check it over but not change the oil as it was unnecessary. They would have stamped the book but made a note on the receipt that the oil was not changed. But I insisted they did change the oil for 'come re-sale reasons'Edited by roygarth on Tuesday 15th March 08:19
roygarth said:
But did they discount off the published ask price of the 458? If not then he's been robbed. (You don't mention mileage of the 430 but we'll assume it wasn't very high.)
I don't know, and didn't ask. I know he was looking for a Red With Cream 458 and he found 5 cars that matched his criteria and the £66000 was the best price offered by any of them in part exchange, plus he called around other dealers for a cash purchase. Drclarke said:
Apart from the eye catching interior, it appeared to be a nice car.
It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
looking at sale prices realized in the classifieds coupled with what i've been offered from a private buyer for mine(120k).......never mind what i've been offered by an independent trader as a straight buy in (100k)....and it looks to me like your neighbour has been turned over big time!!!It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 15th March 15:20
Drclarke said:
Apart from the eye catching interior, it appeared to be a nice car.
It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
So you think that the "True values of the market" is best reflected from a dodgy coloured car at a clearly off-market price, that was pulled from sale ? Rather than the numerous 6fig actual transacted deals done in recent times ! Interesting perspective you have....It shows where the true values of the market is at the moment rather than the talked up, inflated ones of the owners.
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
And unfortunately, IF your neighbours story is true, then he's got more money than sense and was robbed, because he's given his RHD manual car away for many many thousands less that other main dealers are paying for LHD F1 cars with mid- 20's miles as PX - Fact !
Drclarke said:
I don't know, and didn't ask. I know he was looking for a Red With Cream 458 and he found 5 cars that matched his criteria and the £66000 was the best price offered by any of them in part exchange, plus he called around other dealers for a cash purchase.
something doesn't add up mate, either he was robbed or it was a snotter, as that's significantly less that what the trade are paying for "good" cars at the momentDrclarke said:
My neighbour has just part exchanged his Red with Cream Leather Manual hardtop with a dealer against a 458 and they gave him £66,000 and the car was immaculate.
I don't believe this for a single minute.... If Drclarke is talking about a LHD, F1, (not manual) with 60k miles on the clock then maybe - If not then I think either he is lying or his neighbour is making him look like an idiot! Tell your neighbour I'll give him £75k for his new 458 and a night with his wife, if there's any truth in your story above, I suspect he'll probably go for it!
We now have individual threads obsessed with value of nearly every supercar complete with explosive indignation from owners every time someone dares question values. 
Whilst all quite amusing, lets hope the market tanks soon so we can get back to driving and talking about cars again like the good old days..
Whilst all quite amusing, lets hope the market tanks soon so we can get back to driving and talking about cars again like the good old days..
cgt2 said:
We now have individual threads obsessed with value of nearly every supercar complete with explosive indignation from owners every time someone dares question values.
Whilst all quite amusing, lets hope the market tanks soon so we can get back to driving and talking about cars again like the good old days..
Yes its a shame that the thread has gone from being focused on celebrating one of the most iconic symbols in the automotive world (the open gated shifter) to discussing values.... my intention in creating the thread was to avoid such diversions.... alas I'm as guilty as the next man for responding to comments/links etc put up where pricing/values are the focus of the post.Whilst all quite amusing, lets hope the market tanks soon so we can get back to driving and talking about cars again like the good old days..
Ultimately, try as we might, we cant escape the fact that in the world of expensive sports cars today, the dominant theme really is their store of value and source of alternate investment.... more so than the thrill of driving or the pleasure of ownership.... you only have to look at how new GT Porsches are treated as finanical instruments by both speculators/buyers and dealers to understand where motivations lie in the current environment.
And just to round things off .... Personally I doubt the junc 17 car was ever a real advert - far too cheap , and if it was then the owner just took it off sor and decided to keep it - both very regular events !
Selling your 430 though for 66k is not - and I happen to agree that the car must have had serious issues to be this price .- a cad d would justify this price though.
On a positive note Only last month I know of a real trade sale of a 430 spider - silverstone 30k on the clock and went for 110k - trade
Selling your 430 though for 66k is not - and I happen to agree that the car must have had serious issues to be this price .- a cad d would justify this price though.
On a positive note Only last month I know of a real trade sale of a 430 spider - silverstone 30k on the clock and went for 110k - trade
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