Stock 488 v stock 12C

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650S production has ceased so in reality you are looking at a nearly new used car.

You can get a 650s Spider for circa £180k but a similar spec 488 spider at full list and 2 year waiting list is about £100k more.
That's a lot of dosh

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F355spider said:

Mine is a 488 spider, it wasnt £280k though ... quite a bit less and with a decent spec. Base price was something like £204k from memory. Still a lot of money either way vs £110k MP4 12C which is still an amazing car in its own right. I actually think the MP4 looks better as well from some angles

Edited by F355spider on Monday 31st October 11:33

Congrats and lucky you.

Agree on the angle of that photo the 12C looks better. That's actually quite a boring and plain design on the Ferrari boot lid and its always more sexy to see the engine.
Not sure why they couldn't give it a glass panel

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Maybe in coupe form but quite clearly not as a spider http://www.pistonheads.com/road-tests/ferrari/ferr...

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isaldiri said:

how often were you on 7th gear on a fast country road as that's the only time you are getting all 670 hp given the torque is limited on the lower gears..... the 488 is certainly a bloody quick car but most of the time it absolutely is not able to put down all the quoted headline hp.

Absolutely right. This 670 headline figure is always quoted and the lower power figs in the lower gears is spun as being a more linear and progressive power delivery to feel more like a normally aspirated car.

With the McLaren being lighter and giving you the full fat experience as opposed to the skinny latte I bet the 488 is no quicker
0 -62 mph

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LukeyLikey said:

Didn't find what they did when I drove Spider in the UK. The car was blisteringly fast and I hardly noticed any scuttle shake - certainly not enough to take my attention away from deploying 670hp through the rear wheels on the road. Occasionally you could notice a vibration in the rear view mirror but not more. I would NEVER be buying a 650 Spider over a 488 Spider, even though I chose a 12C Spider over a 458 Spider.

I think sometimes its difficult to fully appreciate the car that supersedes your existing ride.

I never remotely liked the 360 after my F355 GTS manual. I waited to buy the F430 F1 spider and then 430 Scuderia and still to this day do not like the 360.

458 and 12C were very close for me but the 458 having the n/a V8 just edged it.
The 650s moved things on considerably from 12C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5h8cx9BGR8

and that catapulted it in front of the 458 despite the N/a engine.
Now the 488 has lost that advantage the difference between it and 650S is minute and down to personal preference.

As Ive said already in coupe form I would take a 488GTB but in spider form it has to be the 650S spider because of the major advantage of the carbon tub

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isaldiri said:

My point is that the headline hp number on the 488 widely claimed by various people including yourself is one that is not achieved outside of 7th gear. I tend to pick up on blatantly inaccurate claims and I didn't disagree the 488 is bloody quick if you read my post.

Rambo you might want to rethink your opinion the 488 isn't faster up to maybe 100mph. the gearing on the ferrari is a lot shorter than the mclaren.

Well I did say the 488 would be no quicker 0 - 60 than the 650s so I wasn't wrong but hands up I didn't realise the Mac was still faster to 100 mph as well. Thank you for pointing that out.

So not only does the 650S chew up and spit out 458's it does the same to the newer generation replacement 488.

Incredible - I knew it was an awesome machine from day 1 and ahead of its time but to beat the 2 year newer, so called leading supercar manufacturer, Ferrari puts that into perspective.

I could see an argument where someone would say buy a 458 over a 12C because of the N/a V8 engine and sound but I see no good reason to spend £100k more to buy a 488 over a 650S

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I thought all performance figures were irrelevant at this level and margin of difference.

What isn't irrelevant though is a CARBON TUB in a spider. Nothing inferior about that unless you can prove me wrong

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Jules360 said:

It wouldn't be the deciding factor for me. The roads in the English Riviera must be especially bad.

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