Best reasons for moving from 996 Turbo S to F430 F1
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davek_964 said:
Woolfie said:
Driving my Porsche down the M1 last night I saw a lot of aggressive driving in effect as a challenge to me. I ignored them. When I drove my previous Ferrari albeit a 348 I had a lot of great looks and no aggression.
That's surprising. I generally find my Porsche is treated as a fairly anonymous car. When I had a 348, even idiots in people carriers seemed desperate to prove something, and same with my 360.Still in many minds about the 430 F1...
Durzel said:
Slickhillsy said:
It's not a Porsche so less coffee beans
I know this was (probably?) said in jest, but based on my experience this is totally true.Driving a Porsche - most of the time people wouldn't let me out at junctions, would judge every minor transgression (e.g. being slightly over the limit) very harshly, shout abuse (e.g. ponce) when driving on roads in/around town centres, etc.
Driving a Ferrari - zero negative reactions, everyone loves the sound despite the fact it's at least as loud as "boy racer" cars, encourage typically anti-social behaviour like revving, let you out of everywhere - I had people go out of their way to pull in to make it easier for me to get past, or pull in far in advance of me getting to them (e.g. single file traffic with cars parked on one side), etc.
Obviously you ought not to be treated any differently, and I don't personally care for or seek out the attention - but the negative attention even when I wasn't doing anything wrong in the Porsche (was "only" a Cayman, too) became quite off-putting.
Same, had a 981 Boxster S 3.2 and loads of negative reactions, now have a F430 F1 spyder and nothing but positive reactions, thumbs up and well done mate comments all the time.
I think its because the Ferrari is aspirational but out of reach for many people, but the Porsche is more accessible so generates negative comments for those who feel they have 'just' missed out?
I think its because the Ferrari is aspirational but out of reach for many people, but the Porsche is more accessible so generates negative comments for those who feel they have 'just' missed out?
Slickhillsy said:
Oh no very serious... I had a GT3 and it was one of the many choice comments towards the car. I've had 4 Ferrari and can't remember the last negative moment...
Love Ferrari's but don't like the build quality. Had a 911 turbo and jumped into 430 as always wanted one. I loved driving it but the ownership experience wasn't great, after 3 years I finally gave up and sold it.
If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.
Hope this helps.
If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.
Hope this helps.
andyferrari said:
Love Ferrari's but don't like the build quality. Had a 911 turbo and jumped into 430 as always wanted one. I loved driving it but the ownership experience wasn't great, after 3 years I finally gave up and sold it.
If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.
Hope this helps.
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.
Hope this helps.
As a new F430 owner I'd agree with others about the positive experiences, it's insane every time I drive it, I also have had many Beetles (oops, freudian slip of the tongue) and they are ten a penny unlike Ferrari's.
Your comparing two brands that can't really be compared, Porsche is a mass production car manufacturer, like Ford.
This weekend it's dry, so I've driven my car out the garage on to the drive so I can look at her every time I look out of my study window, would I do that with a Porsche? .......THINK NOT!!!
Your comparing two brands that can't really be compared, Porsche is a mass production car manufacturer, like Ford.
This weekend it's dry, so I've driven my car out the garage on to the drive so I can look at her every time I look out of my study window, would I do that with a Porsche? .......THINK NOT!!!
kbooker said:
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....
No not wrong about the cost of repair, that's what Ferrari charge, aftermarket alternatives may be cheaper.F1 gearbox more sought-after at the moment but in the long time I do believe the manual version will be more desirable and more sought-after, I think this is what he was alluding to.
Raygun said:
kbooker said:
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....
F1 gearbox more sought-after at the moment but in the long time I do believe the manual version will be more desirable and more sought-afterThe only reason manuals would be sort after in the Ferrari world would be for two reasons...
1. Collectors - aka someone looking for one of the circa 80 world wide examples of the manual 599.
2. Someone who just has to have a manual.
F430 was one of the last manual optioned Fezza and with something like 60% from the get go being spec'd in F1 for (and that percentage going up) means these manuals are to high in number to become collectable but high enough to meet a small demand for old school types...
Personally, after a manual GT3 I thought I'd really miss a stick jumping in to a Scud. Now however I know I'd never want a Ferrari with one (but would make room for some manual Pork in the future )
kbooker said:
andyferrari said:
Love Ferrari's but don't like the build quality. Had a 911 turbo and jumped into 430 as always wanted one. I loved driving it but the ownership experience wasn't great, after 3 years I finally gave up and sold it.
If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.
Hope this helps.
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.
Hope this helps.
Regarding a manual gearbox, if you think about it, as someone else has stated, there are relatively very few manual F430's around. Take a look on the used car listings. Again these will be more desirable in the future as they will be seen as one of the last manual Ferraris.
Edited by andyferrari on Sunday 17th May 19:10
Raygun said:
No not wrong about the cost of repair, that's what Ferrari charge, aftermarket alternatives may be cheaper.
F1 gearbox more sought-after at the moment but in the long time I do believe the manual version will be more desirable and more sought-after, I think this is what he was alluding to.
I don't know in the UK, but in the rest of Europe, manual ones are much more desirable... and really really hard to find. Currently 1 Spider for sale in the Netherlands, 1 Spider in France and 1 Coupe in Finland, that's it.F1 gearbox more sought-after at the moment but in the long time I do believe the manual version will be more desirable and more sought-after, I think this is what he was alluding to.
The F430 is the last manual mid-engine Ferrari, prices of manual F430 already firmed up Plus, a manual F430 is more reliable than the F1.
Such an astonishing car... in France, there was only 1% manual F430 sold. I know that in the UK it was 13%. The worldwide average should be around 5%, that would let 1000 cars (on the 18 000 total, excluding Scuderia/16M).
supermono said:
Cool thread, I'm thinking GT2 to 458 as their respective values converge. Will be interested in hearing your view, must be like chalk and cheese since turbo S not really all that much of a drivers car. Quick and agile but not as involving IMO
I moved from a 996GT3 to a F430 as the prices were getting close to each other. The F430 is an occasion as much as the GT3 but in a very different way. The GT3 was a raw car but the F430 is more refined and has a better delivery of power. The noises are very different as well but both equally stimulating. Having the site of the engine in your rear view mirror as it begins to pick up the revs just adds to the feeling. I also like the F1 box. I am not the best at heal and toe and don't think I would get the same experience from a manual. It would be interesting to hear about your experience going from a Turbo S to a F430. However, I did miss the Porsche feel and scrambled around my pennies and got a Cayman R to relinquish that itch coming back.
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