Convertible 360 manual or convertible F430 F1?
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Mark_Blanchard said:
I've heard from a Ferrari Specialist of 40 years that F430 gearboxes aren't the most reliable things.
What does this actually mean?The F1 box, the manual box? What isn't reliable? The ECU, the clutch plates, the thrust bearing, the hydraulics, the sensors, the relay, the synchros, the gears themselves??
I think the only thing unreliable is a "specialist" who makes such sweeping statements. Further he can have a specialist on the 360 or F430 for 40 years.
My 360 with the F1 box (same as F430 aside from ECU software) has done 48k miles. I have the service history the car has had no work needed apart from a clutch replacement for wear.
If you are a moron with little or no mechanical sympathy and don't follow the advice, you can wear the clutch quickly but in my experience all of the workings etc are reliable. There are some records of the relay failing on the F! cars, but most have been upgraded by now, and its simple and cheap enough to do.
Edited by blueg33 on Friday 22 September 14:35
blueg33 said:
I haven't tried a spider, But I am sure that I read that the 360 was designed as a spider from the outset and the chassis design eliminate scuttle shake - on the other hand I could just have made up a load of nonsense
You are correct. There isn't much between a 360/430 spider and coupe. It's a small difference in rigidity (weight is a different matter).The 458 Spider was a big step backwards in that regard. As I understand it the constraints of a design required to house a metal roof.
blueg33 said:
What does this actually mean?
The F1 box, the manual box? What isn't reliable? The ECU, the clutch plates, the thrust bearing, the hydraulics, the sensors, the relay, the synchros, the gears themselves??
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He didn't go into details. He said he was thinking of buying another Ferrari, I asked him which car and he said a 360, as they tend to be more reliable than an F430. They're working on hundreds of them over many years.The F1 box, the manual box? What isn't reliable? The ECU, the clutch plates, the thrust bearing, the hydraulics, the sensors, the relay, the synchros, the gears themselves??
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Mark_Blanchard said:
blueg33 said:
What does this actually mean?
The F1 box, the manual box? What isn't reliable? The ECU, the clutch plates, the thrust bearing, the hydraulics, the sensors, the relay, the synchros, the gears themselves??
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He didn't go into details. He said he was thinking of buying another Ferrari, I asked him which car and he said a 360, as they tend to be more reliable than an F430. They're working on hundreds of them over many years.The F1 box, the manual box? What isn't reliable? The ECU, the clutch plates, the thrust bearing, the hydraulics, the sensors, the relay, the synchros, the gears themselves??
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Scuttle shake is a very big concern if you’ve ever had it, so much so it can dominate any driving experience if really bad.
It’s why journos are always quick to address it and manufacture r/s down millions trying to eradicate it
Like the idea the 360s is minimised, must get a go in one..
It’s why journos are always quick to address it and manufacture r/s down millions trying to eradicate it
Like the idea the 360s is minimised, must get a go in one..
Kerniki said:
Scuttle shake is a very big concern if you’ve ever had it, so much so it can dominate any driving experience if really bad.
It’s why journos are always quick to address it and manufacture r/s down millions trying to eradicate it
Like the idea the 360s is minimised, must get a go in one..
That's why Mclarens carbon tub technology is a major plus that's under appreciated.It’s why journos are always quick to address it and manufacture r/s down millions trying to eradicate it
Like the idea the 360s is minimised, must get a go in one..
Once you have had a mclaren spider any other marque feels 10 x worse and you will never go back
Nuttbelle said:
Kerniki said:
Scuttle shake is a very big concern if you’ve ever had it, so much so it can dominate any driving experience if really bad.
It’s why journos are always quick to address it and manufacture r/s down millions trying to eradicate it
Like the idea the 360s is minimised, must get a go in one..
That's why Mclarens carbon tub technology is a major plus that's under appreciated.It’s why journos are always quick to address it and manufacture r/s down millions trying to eradicate it
Like the idea the 360s is minimised, must get a go in one..
Once you have had a mclaren spider any other marque feels 10 x worse and you will never go back
Mark_Blanchard said:
mwstewart said:
I'd agree with that. There are occasional issues with 3rd gear synchros but not exactly common like some other issues e.g. manifolds.
Yes he mentioned early 430 manifolds too, cracking internally into the engine and causing catastrophic engine failure.I keep reading stuff about this "expert" that sounds like a lot of baseless scaremongering.
I have just searched all of the F430 forums, plenty of mentions of cracked headers only one about ingested particles and that was speculation rather than proven
Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 23 September 14:49
Cracked manifolds is the most common failure mode, but there are well documented cases of disintegrating pre-cats ruining the engine.
The exhaust system on the F430 is solidly mounted to the rear of the gearbox, hence it can't expand when hot. Removal of the fixed brackets needed.
The Mk1 manifolds (up to MY07) are a ticking time bomb.
Aftermarket manifolds and removal of the fixed brackets should be standard ownership practice.
The exhaust system on the F430 is solidly mounted to the rear of the gearbox, hence it can't expand when hot. Removal of the fixed brackets needed.
The Mk1 manifolds (up to MY07) are a ticking time bomb.
Aftermarket manifolds and removal of the fixed brackets should be standard ownership practice.
mwstewart said:
there are well documented cases of disintegrating pre-cats ruining the engine.
The exhaust system on the F430 is solidly mounted to the rear of the gearbox, hence it can't expand when hot. Removal of the fixed brackets needed.
The Mk1 manifolds (up to MY07) are a ticking time bomb.
That sound like what he was on about.The exhaust system on the F430 is solidly mounted to the rear of the gearbox, hence it can't expand when hot. Removal of the fixed brackets needed.
The Mk1 manifolds (up to MY07) are a ticking time bomb.
I did just this swap going from a 430 spider F1 to a 360 manual spider. There are arguments both pro and con but on balance I prefer the 360.
1/ internal fit out of the 430 is better than the 360 or the 458 IMO
2/ performance of the 430 is better but not useable on the roads like the 360 is. How fast do you need / want /dare go in todays traffic.
3/ the manual is way more fun than the F1
4/ the 360 is more analogue - maybe its just me but I dont like engine modes etc.and Italian electronics????
5/ the manifolds issue on the 430 played on my mind even though mine was a 2008/
You make your own decisions but if I were to swap again it would be more likely to a 328 than a 388 which IMO is simply OTT.
1/ internal fit out of the 430 is better than the 360 or the 458 IMO
2/ performance of the 430 is better but not useable on the roads like the 360 is. How fast do you need / want /dare go in todays traffic.
3/ the manual is way more fun than the F1
4/ the 360 is more analogue - maybe its just me but I dont like engine modes etc.and Italian electronics????
5/ the manifolds issue on the 430 played on my mind even though mine was a 2008/
You make your own decisions but if I were to swap again it would be more likely to a 328 than a 388 which IMO is simply OTT.
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