Discussion
I was driving my car the other day and when I checked the temperature I thought of this thread.
Thinking laterally for a moment. If the car "thinks" it's 55 degrees C outside I'm wondering if that has a knock on effect?
i.e. Does the temperature the vehicle is sensing change parameters of other ecu settings, how it's running etc.
Just a thought. It's something I'd like diagnosed.
As a stand alone problem it's probably of little consequence, however if other ecu's or instruments are taking an input form the external temp sensor might it cause other issues?
Thinking laterally for a moment. If the car "thinks" it's 55 degrees C outside I'm wondering if that has a knock on effect?
i.e. Does the temperature the vehicle is sensing change parameters of other ecu settings, how it's running etc.
Just a thought. It's something I'd like diagnosed.
As a stand alone problem it's probably of little consequence, however if other ecu's or instruments are taking an input form the external temp sensor might it cause other issues?
Somewhat related to FFs is the huge glut of Lussos on the market at the moment. Over 50 when looking across PH classifieds and AT and taking out duplicates.
Could this be because so many will soon expire their 7 year servicing contracts which could impact sale price?
Or new higher insurance premiums?
So many are driven so little: many under 15k miles for a 5-6 yo car. Tons under 10k.
Could this be because so many will soon expire their 7 year servicing contracts which could impact sale price?
Or new higher insurance premiums?
So many are driven so little: many under 15k miles for a 5-6 yo car. Tons under 10k.
A reasonable number of Lussos were sold to people that didn't want them simply as the cost of entry to whatever the next must have halo car was. You know the game.
There has never been any sort of shortage of them with dealers having plenty available in the background for anyone that wanted one.
Many had not been openly advertised for fear of flooding the market and damaging residuals. It seems many owners now want to get shot.
Also consider there are two models, the V8 and V12.
How many left suggests there are just under 100 V8's and just under 250 V12's registered in the UK.
Compared to a little over 200 FF's registered in the UK.
Right now there are about 10 FF's openly for sale vs a lot more Lusso's.
So around 5% of all UK FF's currently for sale vs around 15% of UK registered Lussos.
Make of that what you will.
FWIW I can't see myself selling my FF for a long while. There's nothing I can really think of that could replace it and the reality is, in the current market, I doubt I'd be offered a number that I'd be willing to let it go for. That's what it comes down to for these cars. A number at which the owner wants to part with the car not what the buyer thinks its "worth", bar a few distressed sales or cars with known history, many of these will change hands privately.
There has never been any sort of shortage of them with dealers having plenty available in the background for anyone that wanted one.
Many had not been openly advertised for fear of flooding the market and damaging residuals. It seems many owners now want to get shot.
Also consider there are two models, the V8 and V12.
How many left suggests there are just under 100 V8's and just under 250 V12's registered in the UK.
Compared to a little over 200 FF's registered in the UK.
Right now there are about 10 FF's openly for sale vs a lot more Lusso's.
So around 5% of all UK FF's currently for sale vs around 15% of UK registered Lussos.
Make of that what you will.
FWIW I can't see myself selling my FF for a long while. There's nothing I can really think of that could replace it and the reality is, in the current market, I doubt I'd be offered a number that I'd be willing to let it go for. That's what it comes down to for these cars. A number at which the owner wants to part with the car not what the buyer thinks its "worth", bar a few distressed sales or cars with known history, many of these will change hands privately.
Edited by 21ATS on Thursday 10th August 09:11
Lovely FF on Collecting Cars.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2013-ferrari-f...
I'm a sucker for diamond stiching, love the colour combo.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2013-ferrari-f...
I'm a sucker for diamond stiching, love the colour combo.
In relation to the number of Lussos on the market compared to the number of FFs (see above), I had a call from a salesman from a Ferrari authorised dealer last week. I contacted him when I was looking for my FF in March. He wondered if I had bought a FF. I said I bought in March but was now selling due to the recent V12 Ferrari thefts from Knightsbridge where I park my car during the week.
The salesman told me that the keyless start cars were the ones being targeted. ie Lussos rather than the FFs. I wonder if the Keyless start (and the reported data breach of Ferrari’s data earlier this year) is contributing to a glut of Lussos hitting the market, while FFS are less affected as they have a physical key. I’m sure it’s not just this, but this is a real problem if you live in central London. Also, it was quite a challenge to find my perfect spec FF, whereas it seems that there are quite a lot of Lussos available immediately.
The salesman told me that the keyless start cars were the ones being targeted. ie Lussos rather than the FFs. I wonder if the Keyless start (and the reported data breach of Ferrari’s data earlier this year) is contributing to a glut of Lussos hitting the market, while FFS are less affected as they have a physical key. I’m sure it’s not just this, but this is a real problem if you live in central London. Also, it was quite a challenge to find my perfect spec FF, whereas it seems that there are quite a lot of Lussos available immediately.
Anyone know the background to the below? I can see a lot of warning lights (incl. CCM) on which aren’t usually there from memory:
https://www.eclipse-automotive.com/search?size=n_2...
https://www.eclipse-automotive.com/search?size=n_2...
ensignia said:
I'm 7 weeks into FF ownership and think I've started to run into PTU issues unfortunately...
The car is saying "Mannetino failure", "Low ATF fluid pressure", "4WD system failure" and going into Wet mode after a few minutes of driving.
I hadn't driven it for around 4 days and at first I thought it was one of those Italian quirks and didn't pay too much attention thinking it would go away after a restart, but nope, the warnings remain.
I usually keep the car parked up during the week and only drive it every 3 or 4 days at the moment so it could be battery related but I'm not hopeful, although the voltmeter doesn't seem that stable so maybe the battery isn't up to it. It was hovering pretty close to 13.2v when starting off but went up to 13.4v when driving and 13.8v when cruising, which I think is within normal range but wasn't expecting that much variation. When I switched the car off and restarted a few minutes later it was just over 13v again before climbing up slightly which migh indicate a battery which isn't holding charge as well as it should?
Dealer I bought from claimed it was a recent battery, but I haven't checked. I might try a new battery but I'm preparing myself for a PTU failure.
I'm pretty sure the dealer I bought from will be of no help but will give them a call as I only bought in June and have already experienced an engine control system failure warning and now this.
Car is an early model with 50k miles so a prime candidate for PTU problems...
Just by way of update, there was a happy resolution to this (for now).The car is saying "Mannetino failure", "Low ATF fluid pressure", "4WD system failure" and going into Wet mode after a few minutes of driving.
I hadn't driven it for around 4 days and at first I thought it was one of those Italian quirks and didn't pay too much attention thinking it would go away after a restart, but nope, the warnings remain.
I usually keep the car parked up during the week and only drive it every 3 or 4 days at the moment so it could be battery related but I'm not hopeful, although the voltmeter doesn't seem that stable so maybe the battery isn't up to it. It was hovering pretty close to 13.2v when starting off but went up to 13.4v when driving and 13.8v when cruising, which I think is within normal range but wasn't expecting that much variation. When I switched the car off and restarted a few minutes later it was just over 13v again before climbing up slightly which migh indicate a battery which isn't holding charge as well as it should?
Dealer I bought from claimed it was a recent battery, but I haven't checked. I might try a new battery but I'm preparing myself for a PTU failure.
I'm pretty sure the dealer I bought from will be of no help but will give them a call as I only bought in June and have already experienced an engine control system failure warning and now this.
Car is an early model with 50k miles so a prime candidate for PTU problems...
There were two fluid leaks: one was the return line to the PTU (the supply line was changed earlier on this year), so both pipes had kinked or corroded. The garage thought replacing it fixed the problem, but after leaving it a few days they could see there was still ATF leaking somewhere above.
They investigated and located the leak which required removing the PTU and putting in new seals between it and the engine and since then no more issues.
Have to say the dealer (Praters) were excellent; took the car in and got it sorted at no cost to me. The total cost of repair was £2,100 mostly because the PTU had to be dropped.
The engine management light was traced back to a faulty ambient temp sensor located on the passenger side mirror which also explains why the temperature read about 30c over! Anyone know the part number for this sensor, seems like Ferrari want the whole mirror replacing which would be absurd and costly.
No doubt the temp sensor is actually an individual part but not listed individually.
Eurospares is the cheapest I found a replacement mirror.
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/FF/FF_(RHD)/P...
The alternative being to dismantle your one, breaking it down to see if you can identify the sensor via an OEM part number.
Eurospares is the cheapest I found a replacement mirror.
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/FF/FF_(RHD)/P...
The alternative being to dismantle your one, breaking it down to see if you can identify the sensor via an OEM part number.
Having now sold my last car, I’ve been looking at FF prices. With V12 Lussos selling around £130k, why are FFs not depreciating more? https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-ferrari-g...
It looks like i will need to pay at least £115k for a 30,000 mile car with a Ferrari Warranty!
Anyone know why? Also, is anyone selling a similar car privately (preferrable in the launch colours of Maranello Rosso with tan)?
Cheers
It looks like i will need to pay at least £115k for a 30,000 mile car with a Ferrari Warranty!
Anyone know why? Also, is anyone selling a similar car privately (preferrable in the launch colours of Maranello Rosso with tan)?
Cheers
You won’t find a V12 Lusso for less than £160k at a Ferrari dealer (personally I wouldn’t buy outside of the network without the 2 year warranty).
That’s a stunning car that you linked, but no warranty and relatively high miles. By the time you add buyer’s premium it’s a £150k car anyway.
That’s a stunning car that you linked, but no warranty and relatively high miles. By the time you add buyer’s premium it’s a £150k car anyway.
matrignano said:
You won’t find a V12 Lusso for less than £160k at a Ferrari dealer (personally I wouldn’t buy outside of the network without the 2 year warranty).
That’s a stunning car that you linked, but no warranty and relatively high miles. By the time you add buyer’s premium it’s a £150k car anyway.
Buyers premium is max £7200 so it still comes in under £140kThat’s a stunning car that you linked, but no warranty and relatively high miles. By the time you add buyer’s premium it’s a £150k car anyway.
matrignano said:
You won’t find a V12 Lusso for less than £160k at a Ferrari dealer (personally I wouldn’t buy outside of the network without the 2 year warranty).
That’s a stunning car that you linked, but no warranty and relatively high miles. By the time you add buyer’s premium it’s a £150k car anyway.
imo the Ferrari warranty is not worth all that much, so I certainly would not pay 10k+ more for one with itThat’s a stunning car that you linked, but no warranty and relatively high miles. By the time you add buyer’s premium it’s a £150k car anyway.
I do not think I have ever read about an engine going bust (mine is at 100k km now), I did pay for it for like 6 years and regret wasting that money - wish I could have that decision back
Edit: among others because it also means servicing the car at Ferrari at 200 Euros an hour plus
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