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Unfortunately I don't own either but I have been fortunate enough to have driven Both.
The F12 feels completely alive and I think its slightly unfair to compare the DB11 to it - Vanquish S currently is far more comparible (even if it doesnt rev anywhere near as freely as the bombastic F12 seems to)
I think in isolation the DB11 is a very very good Grandtourer and in terms of how it drives in comparison to the DB9 is far better in terms of gearshift, and ride. Yes it loses creamy NA V12 but the useability is far higher than before.
Looks is significantly more subjective I like it but DB9 was becoming dated.
Vanquish however I think is one of the prettiest ever designed cars.
F12 dynamically on another planet. Feels razor-sharp and is more a supercar turned gt than a gt come supercar.
That engine deserves its weight in gold, it is a car that does genuinely scare me approaching it - and I think thats what makes it so exciting.
The strong value on the F12 Is another huge positive whereas the DB11 is rapidly depreciating as they are producing far too many of them - and the volante will be due far too often...
Keep the F12 unless you fancy a differently specced car which you'll take a trade dip on your car plus an increase to change but then benefit of more warranty etc
from a jealous 20 something year old
The F12 feels completely alive and I think its slightly unfair to compare the DB11 to it - Vanquish S currently is far more comparible (even if it doesnt rev anywhere near as freely as the bombastic F12 seems to)
I think in isolation the DB11 is a very very good Grandtourer and in terms of how it drives in comparison to the DB9 is far better in terms of gearshift, and ride. Yes it loses creamy NA V12 but the useability is far higher than before.
Looks is significantly more subjective I like it but DB9 was becoming dated.
Vanquish however I think is one of the prettiest ever designed cars.
F12 dynamically on another planet. Feels razor-sharp and is more a supercar turned gt than a gt come supercar.
That engine deserves its weight in gold, it is a car that does genuinely scare me approaching it - and I think thats what makes it so exciting.
The strong value on the F12 Is another huge positive whereas the DB11 is rapidly depreciating as they are producing far too many of them - and the volante will be due far too often...
Keep the F12 unless you fancy a differently specced car which you'll take a trade dip on your car plus an increase to change but then benefit of more warranty etc
from a jealous 20 something year old
mattf93 said:
and you changed it for some Orange Pork!!!
Surely F12 is more of an occasion Especially from a noise/aural point of view?
They're so totally different, both have ways in which they exceed eachother.Surely F12 is more of an occasion Especially from a noise/aural point of view?
Overall though - That Ferrari V12, Pininfarina styling, everyday usability. No contest for me.
Tonsils said:
I currently have a 2013 F12, amazing piece of kit. A dilemma.......
In my view the F12 has no direct comparison. That said, and having been a Maserati/Ferrari driver for many years, I read the various reviews on the DB11. All very complimentary and I test drove one today with a view to changing. An impressive piece of kit, quick and toys galore but imo that ZF box tries too hard. On manual change up, artificially aggressive and ironically less smooth than the DC box in the F12. Engine note, a tad contrived, in my view. Steering good, but the F12 far more precise and faster, albeit "nervous" until you get used to it. Seats good and loads of adjustment but no better than the racing chairs (manual adjust) in my F12. I suspect depreciation will be ugly on the DB11 whereas the F12 is going the other way. On the plus for the DB11, it's beautiful, easy to drive, has benefitted from Merc electronics, and has a quality feel, plus it is an Aston. Change or not? Any and all views welcome.
If you're not in a rush to upgrade, the Vanquish replacement should arrive next year. I mention it because it's likely to be the new DBS, based on the DB11 - so sharper claws, a power hike, dynamically a bit more focused and some aggressive styling cues. In terms of lineage, it would be similar to the step change between DB9 and DBS last time (more than just a body kit). In my view the F12 has no direct comparison. That said, and having been a Maserati/Ferrari driver for many years, I read the various reviews on the DB11. All very complimentary and I test drove one today with a view to changing. An impressive piece of kit, quick and toys galore but imo that ZF box tries too hard. On manual change up, artificially aggressive and ironically less smooth than the DC box in the F12. Engine note, a tad contrived, in my view. Steering good, but the F12 far more precise and faster, albeit "nervous" until you get used to it. Seats good and loads of adjustment but no better than the racing chairs (manual adjust) in my F12. I suspect depreciation will be ugly on the DB11 whereas the F12 is going the other way. On the plus for the DB11, it's beautiful, easy to drive, has benefitted from Merc electronics, and has a quality feel, plus it is an Aston. Change or not? Any and all views welcome.
It's unlikely to rival the F12 for ability (the DB11 platform being more comparable to the GTC4) but it ought to be a handy bit of kit.
Tonsils said:
I currently have a 2013 F12, amazing piece of kit. A dilemma.......
In my view the F12 has no direct comparison. That said, and having been a Maserati/Ferrari driver for many years, I read the various reviews on the DB11. All very complimentary and I test drove one today with a view to changing. An impressive piece of kit, quick and toys galore but imo that ZF box tries too hard. On manual change up, artificially aggressive and ironically less smooth than the DC box in the F12. Engine note, a tad contrived, in my view. Steering good, but the F12 far more precise and faster, albeit "nervous" until you get used to it. Seats good and loads of adjustment but no better than the racing chairs (manual adjust) in my F12. I suspect depreciation will be ugly on the DB11 whereas the F12 is going the other way. On the plus for the DB11, it's beautiful, easy to drive, has benefitted from Merc electronics, and has a quality feel, plus it is an Aston. Change or not? Any and all views welcome.
Change it as fast as you can, experience the db11, wait for the f12 to take a dive from the market and the 812 and if you figure that you liked the f12 better, get a newer one for less than you sold yours. In my view the F12 has no direct comparison. That said, and having been a Maserati/Ferrari driver for many years, I read the various reviews on the DB11. All very complimentary and I test drove one today with a view to changing. An impressive piece of kit, quick and toys galore but imo that ZF box tries too hard. On manual change up, artificially aggressive and ironically less smooth than the DC box in the F12. Engine note, a tad contrived, in my view. Steering good, but the F12 far more precise and faster, albeit "nervous" until you get used to it. Seats good and loads of adjustment but no better than the racing chairs (manual adjust) in my F12. I suspect depreciation will be ugly on the DB11 whereas the F12 is going the other way. On the plus for the DB11, it's beautiful, easy to drive, has benefitted from Merc electronics, and has a quality feel, plus it is an Aston. Change or not? Any and all views welcome.
The F12 is a better car, but this question, at this time, with this conjecture, is a no brainer.
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