Change to News, Politics & Economics posting rights
Discussion
lizardbrain said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
To answer that from my perspective.
1. Longer volumes mean thread bans are more effective. No longer can people just wait for a new volume and get back to being an ass (Multiple trump thread volumes for example)
2. Being banned now has more weight. A wait time of 12m/1000 posts means no more VPN, throwaway email and and back to NP&E.
3. Mods are only as good as the reports we get. Too often we get ‘while haven’t the mods done anything/think of the children’ when people haven’t reported any bad behaviour. If you see something objectionable, report it and it will be looked at.
You are a mod? You are an active poster in many of the NPE thread I post in. Do you agree new accounts < 6 months are quite rare?1. Longer volumes mean thread bans are more effective. No longer can people just wait for a new volume and get back to being an ass (Multiple trump thread volumes for example)
2. Being banned now has more weight. A wait time of 12m/1000 posts means no more VPN, throwaway email and and back to NP&E.
3. Mods are only as good as the reports we get. Too often we get ‘while haven’t the mods done anything/think of the children’ when people haven’t reported any bad behaviour. If you see something objectionable, report it and it will be looked at.
I don’t think I would be considered an ‘active poster’ on any NP&E thread. I will make some input on occasion but mostly I only go into NP&E to moderate when required.
Just because you don’t see them doesn’t mean that ‘we’ don’t. ‘We’ remove ‘new’ accounts all of the time for various reasons.
I think a number of those complaining about this change need to remember that, as on most social media, we are not customers. There is no "right" to "free speech" here.
This is Pistonheads Holdco's ball, pitch and rules, and they will only run the Gassing Station so long as it suits them. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they haven't considered deleting NP&E altogether and this is a "let's see what happens" change.
If you don't like it, there are plenty more social media platforms to choose from.
This is Pistonheads Holdco's ball, pitch and rules, and they will only run the Gassing Station so long as it suits them. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they haven't considered deleting NP&E altogether and this is a "let's see what happens" change.
If you don't like it, there are plenty more social media platforms to choose from.
lizardbrain said:
Some people are commenting that such high post count posters will also tread more carefully. But they haven’t been banned in 10 years, so not clear why their behaviour would change now?
If they haven't been banned in 10 years maybe because their behaviour is fine and doesn't need to change?Clockwork Cupcake said:
El stovey said:
The NPandE is just a load of people’s thoughts and opinions about politics and the news, it’s always going to be the spiciest part of the site.
If people genuinely get upset by it or by reading others opinions, then just don’t read it. If there’s posts or posters you think are breaking the rules then report them.
Really???? If people genuinely get upset by it or by reading others opinions, then just don’t read it. If there’s posts or posters you think are breaking the rules then report them.
What a load of entitled tosh from someone who has clearly never been the subject of any "-ist" abuse in their life.
The moderation team won’t tolerate anything that obviously breaks the rules.
We used to have far more racism that’s been removed. Whatever -ism you feel affected by can only be dealt with if you report it.
But yes I’ve been affected by -ism plenty of times.
If I thought here was really bad for some -ism I’d try to change it and if that didn’t work I wouldn’t be constantly making myself upset by reading it though.
Countdown said:
lizardbrain said:
Some people are commenting that such high post count posters will also tread more carefully. But they haven’t been banned in 10 years, so not clear why their behaviour would change now?
If they haven't been banned in 10 years maybe because their behaviour is fine and doesn't need to change?I was just reacting to posts where it seemed like new posters are being scapegoated for general tone of NPE. Which obviously trickles down from the older posters.
I am now more informed what the issue is. ]
Edited by lizardbrain on Wednesday 20th April 11:27
In the early days, PH mostly was used by TVR enthusiasts. Due to the quality -especially of the forums- it became popular with sports car enthusiasts (there weren't that many sports car forums in the early noughties). At some point, Ted separated non-motoring threads from General Gassing to the newly created Pie & Piston. IIRC, the P&P got further sub forums like NP&E to help motoring enthusiasts browsing through (off-topic) threads by people who shared at least the interest in motoring.
Today, most of the content posted is still in the spirit of PH fifteen years ago; however the most agitating content is no longer that thread about five members reporting about their extended weekend trip, or any funny thread from the list of legendary ones.
NP&E has racked up more posts than the Lounge, and probably as many as all other P&P forums together. The contributors being most active in micro-bickering and generally posting insecure unsophisticated content are typically a member for less than twelve months with post-counts of ten to one hundred posts per day of membership - but never to topics related to motoring.
I think the new rule will eliminate part of the non-quality contributions, and hopefully invite back those people who share the interest in motoring to exchange their contrary viewpoints on political matters. Some members with long memberships and low post count will not be able to contribute to NP&E - I doubt many of them will miss this possibility, certainly not while NP&E is in its current state.
Today, most of the content posted is still in the spirit of PH fifteen years ago; however the most agitating content is no longer that thread about five members reporting about their extended weekend trip, or any funny thread from the list of legendary ones.
NP&E has racked up more posts than the Lounge, and probably as many as all other P&P forums together. The contributors being most active in micro-bickering and generally posting insecure unsophisticated content are typically a member for less than twelve months with post-counts of ten to one hundred posts per day of membership - but never to topics related to motoring.
I think the new rule will eliminate part of the non-quality contributions, and hopefully invite back those people who share the interest in motoring to exchange their contrary viewpoints on political matters. Some members with long memberships and low post count will not be able to contribute to NP&E - I doubt many of them will miss this possibility, certainly not while NP&E is in its current state.
Ouroboros said:
Let's be honest you don't miss much. For example Trump thread, trump is bad everyone who disagrees gets banned.
Biden thread, Biden is brilliant, same actions as trump.
I don't really care on both, but threads end up just being ruled by a few who enforce the narrative, so ends up with little actual debate just constantly same message repeated over and over. Better just to steer clear of NPE anyway, the majority of the poster in there don't care about cars.
There are plenty of posts critical of Biden in the Biden thread.Biden thread, Biden is brilliant, same actions as trump.
I don't really care on both, but threads end up just being ruled by a few who enforce the narrative, so ends up with little actual debate just constantly same message repeated over and over. Better just to steer clear of NPE anyway, the majority of the poster in there don't care about cars.
I'd say at least 1/3.
I'll leave it at that, because we don't want this thread to get angry.
lizardbrain said:
Countdown said:
lizardbrain said:
Some people are commenting that such high post count posters will also tread more carefully. But they haven’t been banned in 10 years, so not clear why their behaviour would change now?
If they haven't been banned in 10 years maybe because their behaviour is fine and doesn't need to change?I was just reacting to posts where it seemed like new posters are being scapegoated for general tone of NPE. Which obviously trickles down from the older posters.
I am now more informed what the issue is. ]
Edited by lizardbrain on Wednesday 20th April 11:27
AW111 said:
There are plenty of posts critical of Biden in the Biden thread.
I'd say at least 1/3.
I'll leave it at that, because we don't want this thread to get angry.
It was an example really, I'm sure there are other threads. The thing is and this sums up NPE really, just entrenched viewpoints from either side repeating themselves.I'd say at least 1/3.
I'll leave it at that, because we don't want this thread to get angry.
g4ry13 said:
Might this policy encourage people to spam on the forum in an effort to bump their post count and gain access to NP&E?
Possibly, but you’d have to think spamming will get noticed, and the users will be banned… If you’re a member for over a year and can code, I suppose you could write a script that would create a new topic, post 1,000 replies to it, then delete all the posts. Run that at 3am, and you’re likely to get the required number of posts without drawing attention.It’s a lot of effort to go to when there are plenty of other forums out there to use instead, mind you!
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