Hello PHers and welcome to your new look forums!

Hello PHers and welcome to your new look forums!

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xjay1337

15,966 posts

120 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Old Merc

3,514 posts

169 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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I`ve always used Google Chrome to get to P H and never had a problem with sending or seeing images. Now with the new look PH my and other poster`s images appear as a little square and when I click it up pops "This site cant provide a secure connection"
If I get to PH via Firefox I can see all the images. ?? Why is this?
As you may detect I`m not a computer boffin so please reply in simple terms.

dmsims

6,601 posts

269 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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rscott said:
Which browser/os are you using? The actual page doesn't look anything like the top one for me.. It's far crisper than your image.
Firefox and Chrome are poor, Edge is better

dmsims

6,601 posts

269 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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silentbrown said:
dmsims said:
I tried with different graphic formats (the ones that PH allows) but none quite convey the horrible spidery unsmooth appearance of the top one
It just gives me a headache
I suspect you're struggling due to the way the OS uses the low-level pixel arrangement of your monitor to render text. (ClearType on Windows, "LCD Font Smoothing" on OSX)

If you don't have this correctly set up for your screen (and each LCD screen is different!) it will look rubbish. So you can see what's going on heres the A bit of your Syspro screenshot magnified up.
If you magnify anything like that to 800% it's going to look rubbish and you have saved it as a PNG which does it's own image processing/compression

CraigyMc

16,567 posts

238 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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dmsims said:
and you have saved it as a PNG which does it's own image processing/compression
PNG is lossless compression though.

Vaud

51,008 posts

157 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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CraigyMc said:
dmsims said:
and you have saved it as a PNG which does it's own image processing/compression
PNG is lossless compression though.
Correct.

Paraphrased from another site:

PNG is lossless. When an image program offers you a "level of compression" it is more about the effort to compress... Think of it as quality of compression or level of compression. With lower compression, you get a bigger file, but it takes less time to produce, whereas with higher compression, you get a smaller file that takes longer to produce.

Typically you get diminishing returns, i.e. not as much decrease in size compared to the increase in time it takes when going up to the highest compression levels, but it is up to you.


768

13,953 posts

98 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Just because an image is saved as PNG doesn't mean there hasn't been lossy preprocessing. I'm not suggesting that is the case here though.

dmsims

6,601 posts

269 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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In Photoshop the thumbsnap image looks VERY different to an unprocessed screen cap

ClockworkCupcake

75,192 posts

274 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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silentbrown

8,937 posts

118 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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dmsims said:
... and you have saved it as a PNG which does it's own image processing/compression
Actually, *YOU* uploaded it (once again??) as 8-bit colour-mapped GIF which has totally bksed it.

The point of magnifying the image was to show you what's going on at the pixel level. A screenshot of the website from my machine looks pretty much the same (minus the dithering artefacts), but how good it looks like on YOUR screen will be wholly dependent on your monitor, and how you have Cleartype set up. It's perfectly clear on my machine, even though I'd also prefer a little more contrast.

Try doing this... http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/calibrate-cleart...


dmsims

6,601 posts

269 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Yes but I wasn't trying to magnify to 800% and i tried PNG, the GIF gave a better comparison

But your magnified image does not in any way look like what is happening, because of some processing

silentbrown said:
Actually, *YOU* uploaded it (once again??) as 8-bit colour-mapped GIF which has totally bksed it.

The point of magnifying the image was to show you what's going on at the pixel level. A screenshot of the website from my machine looks pretty much the same (minus the dithering artefacts), but how good it looks like on YOUR screen will be wholly dependent on your monitor, and how you have Cleartype set up. It's perfectly clear on my machine, even though I'd also prefer a little more contrast.

Try doing this... http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/calibrate-cleart...

dmsims

6,601 posts

269 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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OK to circumvent the graphics issues

https://www.theseacpages.co.uk/read.html

Line4 and 5 are much worse (for me)

LordGrover

33,566 posts

214 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Agreed.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

128 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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dmsims said:
OK to circumvent the graphics issues

https://www.theseacpages.co.uk/read.html

Line4 and 5 are much worse (for me)
For me, 4 and 5 are preferable as body text - but that's a serif vs san serif thing. They're just a cleaner face. All six are perfectly clean and legible.

Looking at the page source, I'm quite surprised.
For those who cba, lines 1-3 are default font, nothing specified. lines 4-6 are Google's Open Sans specified (and linked via a stylesheet), with a fall back to the system default san serif. For each face, the three lines go up in font weight - 200, 300, 400.

I'm seeing VERY little difference in the three serif lines, or in the first two san serif. The third san serif is a bit heavier.

(MacBookPro, 10.11.6, Firefox 53, same on both internal retina screen and external 24" LCD.)

Hoofy

76,690 posts

284 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Probably mentioned but is it possible to have it highlight our messages so we can see when we've been quoted?

xjay1337

15,966 posts

120 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Hoofy said:
Probably mentioned but is it possible to have it highlight our messages so we can see when we've been quoted?
I thought this was fixed?

Hoofy

76,690 posts

284 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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xjay1337 said:
Hoofy said:
Probably mentioned but is it possible to have it highlight our messages so we can see when we've been quoted?
I thought this was fixed?
<looks up> Nope. biggrin

xjay1337

15,966 posts

120 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Ahhh, you are right.

Dammit.

silentbrown

8,937 posts

118 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
I'm seeing VERY little difference in the three serif lines, or in the first two san serif. The third san serif is a bit heavier.
That's because the font-weight thing is just a different way of specifying the 'boldness' of your font (400 is normal), Open Sans font isn't infinitely adjustable - there are just a few variations (light, normal, semibold, bold, extrabold)

https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Open+Sans?select...

The 200 and 300 lines give the "light" variant, 400 is the "normal" one. The standard serif font obviously has no light variant so normal is used instead.

saaby93

32,038 posts

180 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Hoofy said:
xjay1337 said:
Hoofy said:
Probably mentioned but is it possible to have it highlight our messages so we can see when we've been quoted?
I thought this was fixed?
<looks up> Nope. biggrin
Can we have this one next please yes
I like to see where someone has quoted my post - a nice shade of light blue/grey would do