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Sorry to hijack thread, but Anyone have thoughts or experience on the SE30 model? Currently have a gen 1 Gallardo SL and would love to know how compare. Only driven one Diablo 20 years ago on old runway and memory not that good these days, tis the only thing I think I would swap current car for.
I had a SL Series 1 which I adored and would have mien back if I could afford to have 2 cars. I p/x'ed it for my Diablo SV. They are both very different cars and you can't compare them like for like. The SL is so nimble, quick and the steering is very precise and was a joy on track. The SV is a brutal, just loads and loads of power and can in the right hands be driven very quickly, but there is a limit to it if you aren't careful. Not tracked it yet, but will do when I can. The SE30 is a different type of car, very similar to the SV, but engine behaves differently. The yellow one that is advertised needs some parts to get it back to original so do your homework.
yzr500 said:
My old yellow Diablo LHD is up for over £100k more that I sold it on Ebay 6 years ago interesting that the servicing paperwork description has increased some what as the price gets higher?
Did it / you have some issues with getting a window switch from a well known expert ?I was recommended by them to view a yellow one with i think a blue interior for about £46k
djt77 said:
Sorry to hijack thread, but Anyone have thoughts or experience on the SE30 model? Currently have a gen 1 Gallardo SL and would love to know how compare. Only driven one Diablo 20 years ago on old runway and memory not that good these days, tis the only thing I think I would swap current car for.
I'd say you almost can't compare..I did '98 Diablo SV to LP570-4 Performante.
G drives nicer, a bit more practical, is way quicker & sounds better.
But the Diablo absolutely destroys the G in terms of road presence, theatre / drama / sense of occasion.
If you can get an SE30 in purple it's a no-brainer!.... and you'd only be a Jota kit away from the ultimate Diablo!
Ferruccio said:
Good question. My car. Had it coming on for 25 years now.
It’s a unique factory colour, done for the 1992 Motor Show.
It’s a sparkly red. Looks great in the sun.
The factory wanted to try it but, as it needed extra paint layers, decided that it would be too expensive.
When I needed the paintwork touched up, in true Lamborghini style, Polo Storico just had it down as “red”.
Bob turns up at events in his GT. It always smells like a proper race car. At the end of the day he’s a car dealer, so may well be open to offers.
Does your car have the twin chain VT engine?It’s a unique factory colour, done for the 1992 Motor Show.
It’s a sparkly red. Looks great in the sun.
The factory wanted to try it but, as it needed extra paint layers, decided that it would be too expensive.
When I needed the paintwork touched up, in true Lamborghini style, Polo Storico just had it down as “red”.
Bob turns up at events in his GT. It always smells like a proper race car. At the end of the day he’s a car dealer, so may well be open to offers.
SAB888 said:
If it's the SE30 in Cambridgeshire, it hasn't got the original wheels and I would think it would be difficult to find a set. It just doesn't look right with Roadster wheels.
Jeez look at the mileage on that one..... it did just 210 over 9 years .And it ate a brand new clutch in just under 4,000 miles ..
Major engine-out service at required at 25.5K miles @ £ 11,150
Pretty staggering..
SAB888 said:
Jonny TVR said:
This SE30 looks good except that I don't like yellow!
If it's the SE30 in Cambridgeshire, it hasn't got the original wheels and I would think it would be difficult to find a set. It just doesn't look right with Roadster wheels.SAB888 said:
No 143 was originally yellow, then it was orange with quite a number of modifications, including GT bonnet and Jota rear lid, black and orange leather. It was then put back to yellow and interior changed.
I had a look around that car once. There is a fair amount to be done to get it back to being a complete SE30. I don't understand why somebody went to the effort of removing the horrid black and orange interior but then replacing it with a their own design rather than reinstating a proper SE30 interior. Bit tardy in replying to this but can heartily recommend a 2WD Diablo
There seems to be a lot of tosh spoken about these cars (usually by people who haven't driven them one suspects) with all sorts of suggestions about the weight of the steering, the supposed lack of visibility and some kind of grim reaper-esque ditch finding danger (not helped by one P.McGuiness)
To be clear:-
1) The steering IS heavy but perfectly manageable unless you are planning to three point turn your way round a multi story car park
2) The "big" dash is a little unsightly but far from a major issue with regards to visibility. I am 6"1 and the header rail is a much bigger obstruction to your visibility. You would need to be really quite vertically challenged to find it a major concern
3) The car is not in anyway dangerous to drive in normal situations. there are no electronic nannies but it is geared to 70mph in first and near as dammit 100mph in second. The power comes in in a linear fashion with a substantial amount of push from around 4,500; from memory in second gear that equates to around 60mph. If you are hoofing it in first gear you are a wally and deserve everything coming to you; if you have got your foot flat to the floor in 2nd at 60mph in a Diablo then you really need to have everything pointing in the right direction with excellent lines of sight because you are accelerating very hard indeed. At anything under 60mph you need to be an idiot or unlucky to get yourself in a pickle - frankly my TVR Griffith is far more spiteful and edgy
With regards to prices there is a huge range out there with some sellers having seemingly barmy expectations (there is one 1992 car on autotrader for £250k...).
Probably the best and most recent barometer was a car initially listed as sold on Collecting Cars in July last year (but which now seems to be listed as unsold) which was a 42k 1994 car bid to £98K.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-lamborghi...
Obviously this is visually mucked about with but had been sorted by Top Gear a few years back so was far from a poor example
They also sold a beautiful dark green SV and a seemingly perfect 15k VT for £132k per piece so no std 2WD should be anywhere close to that money. I would love an SV from a visual perspective, and suspect you may maintain any price differential, but £25k is a lot of additional money to wrap up in a very similar car
Depending on your comfort with an LHD car one thought that may be worth pursuing is looking across the pond. From what I have heard there are around 900 first gen Diablos of which no more than 50 are RHD. Waiting for one to come along and for the seller to have reasonable expectations may take a while. Given the state of the economy in Europe in the early 90s by far the largest proportion must have gone to the US and they seem to be cheaper there
This one sold on BAT last year for $125k - it was a 2 owner car with the last owner having owned it from 1996, a full luggage set, and a recent $23k overhaul, that seems like a lot of car for the money
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-lamborghini...
And Mario Andretti's old car with 36k KMs sold for just $68k (admittedly in need of re-commissioning)
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/fl20/online-onl...
It might be that a well bought US car could be more car for the same money and then turn a small profit when the time came to move on
There seems to be a lot of tosh spoken about these cars (usually by people who haven't driven them one suspects) with all sorts of suggestions about the weight of the steering, the supposed lack of visibility and some kind of grim reaper-esque ditch finding danger (not helped by one P.McGuiness)
To be clear:-
1) The steering IS heavy but perfectly manageable unless you are planning to three point turn your way round a multi story car park
2) The "big" dash is a little unsightly but far from a major issue with regards to visibility. I am 6"1 and the header rail is a much bigger obstruction to your visibility. You would need to be really quite vertically challenged to find it a major concern
3) The car is not in anyway dangerous to drive in normal situations. there are no electronic nannies but it is geared to 70mph in first and near as dammit 100mph in second. The power comes in in a linear fashion with a substantial amount of push from around 4,500; from memory in second gear that equates to around 60mph. If you are hoofing it in first gear you are a wally and deserve everything coming to you; if you have got your foot flat to the floor in 2nd at 60mph in a Diablo then you really need to have everything pointing in the right direction with excellent lines of sight because you are accelerating very hard indeed. At anything under 60mph you need to be an idiot or unlucky to get yourself in a pickle - frankly my TVR Griffith is far more spiteful and edgy
With regards to prices there is a huge range out there with some sellers having seemingly barmy expectations (there is one 1992 car on autotrader for £250k...).
Probably the best and most recent barometer was a car initially listed as sold on Collecting Cars in July last year (but which now seems to be listed as unsold) which was a 42k 1994 car bid to £98K.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-lamborghi...
Obviously this is visually mucked about with but had been sorted by Top Gear a few years back so was far from a poor example
They also sold a beautiful dark green SV and a seemingly perfect 15k VT for £132k per piece so no std 2WD should be anywhere close to that money. I would love an SV from a visual perspective, and suspect you may maintain any price differential, but £25k is a lot of additional money to wrap up in a very similar car
Depending on your comfort with an LHD car one thought that may be worth pursuing is looking across the pond. From what I have heard there are around 900 first gen Diablos of which no more than 50 are RHD. Waiting for one to come along and for the seller to have reasonable expectations may take a while. Given the state of the economy in Europe in the early 90s by far the largest proportion must have gone to the US and they seem to be cheaper there
This one sold on BAT last year for $125k - it was a 2 owner car with the last owner having owned it from 1996, a full luggage set, and a recent $23k overhaul, that seems like a lot of car for the money
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-lamborghini...
And Mario Andretti's old car with 36k KMs sold for just $68k (admittedly in need of re-commissioning)
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/fl20/online-onl...
It might be that a well bought US car could be more car for the same money and then turn a small profit when the time came to move on
Thanks George 500 that makes logical sense to me. Not sure what the shipping/ duty would be. I would also need to buy it unseen and arrange an inspection etc so not straight forward. It doesn't bother me it being LHD. Its more about the history and quality of the car. Also having some choice. Cost as well of course.
George 500 said:
Bit tardy in replying to this but can heartily recommend a 2WD Diablo
There seems to be a lot of tosh spoken about these cars (usually by people who haven't driven them one suspects) with all sorts of suggestions about the weight of the steering, the supposed lack of visibility and some kind of grim reaper-esque ditch finding danger (not helped by one P.McGuiness)
To be clear:-
1) The steering IS heavy but perfectly manageable unless you are planning to three point turn your way round a multi story car park
2) The "big" dash is a little unsightly but far from a major issue with regards to visibility. I am 6"1 and the header rail is a much bigger obstruction to your visibility. You would need to be really quite vertically challenged to find it a major concern
3) The car is not in anyway dangerous to drive in normal situations. there are no electronic nannies but it is geared to 70mph in first and near as dammit 100mph in second. The power comes in in a linear fashion with a substantial amount of push from around 4,500; from memory in second gear that equates to around 60mph. If you are hoofing it in first gear you are a wally and deserve everything coming to you; if you have got your foot flat to the floor in 2nd at 60mph in a Diablo then you really need to have everything pointing in the right direction with excellent lines of sight because you are accelerating very hard indeed. At anything under 60mph you need to be an idiot or unlucky to get yourself in a pickle - frankly my TVR Griffith is far more spiteful and edgy
With regards to prices there is a huge range out there with some sellers having seemingly barmy expectations (there is one 1992 car on autotrader for £250k...).
Probably the best and most recent barometer was a car initially listed as sold on Collecting Cars in July last year (but which now seems to be listed as unsold) which was a 42k 1994 car bid to £98K.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-lamborghi...
Obviously this is visually mucked about with but had been sorted by Top Gear a few years back so was far from a poor example
They also sold a beautiful dark green SV and a seemingly perfect 15k VT for £132k per piece so no std 2WD should be anywhere close to that money. I would love an SV from a visual perspective, and suspect you may maintain any price differential, but £25k is a lot of additional money to wrap up in a very similar car
Depending on your comfort with an LHD car one thought that may be worth pursuing is looking across the pond. From what I have heard there are around 900 first gen Diablos of which no more than 50 are RHD. Waiting for one to come along and for the seller to have reasonable expectations may take a while. Given the state of the economy in Europe in the early 90s by far the largest proportion must have gone to the US and they seem to be cheaper there
This one sold on BAT last year for $125k - it was a 2 owner car with the last owner having owned it from 1996, a full luggage set, and a recent $23k overhaul, that seems like a lot of car for the money
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-lamborghini...
And Mario Andretti's old car with 36k KMs sold for just $68k (admittedly in need of re-commissioning)
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/fl20/online-onl...
It might be that a well bought US car could be more car for the same money and then turn a small profit when the time came to move on
Agree with all above.There seems to be a lot of tosh spoken about these cars (usually by people who haven't driven them one suspects) with all sorts of suggestions about the weight of the steering, the supposed lack of visibility and some kind of grim reaper-esque ditch finding danger (not helped by one P.McGuiness)
To be clear:-
1) The steering IS heavy but perfectly manageable unless you are planning to three point turn your way round a multi story car park
2) The "big" dash is a little unsightly but far from a major issue with regards to visibility. I am 6"1 and the header rail is a much bigger obstruction to your visibility. You would need to be really quite vertically challenged to find it a major concern
3) The car is not in anyway dangerous to drive in normal situations. there are no electronic nannies but it is geared to 70mph in first and near as dammit 100mph in second. The power comes in in a linear fashion with a substantial amount of push from around 4,500; from memory in second gear that equates to around 60mph. If you are hoofing it in first gear you are a wally and deserve everything coming to you; if you have got your foot flat to the floor in 2nd at 60mph in a Diablo then you really need to have everything pointing in the right direction with excellent lines of sight because you are accelerating very hard indeed. At anything under 60mph you need to be an idiot or unlucky to get yourself in a pickle - frankly my TVR Griffith is far more spiteful and edgy
With regards to prices there is a huge range out there with some sellers having seemingly barmy expectations (there is one 1992 car on autotrader for £250k...).
Probably the best and most recent barometer was a car initially listed as sold on Collecting Cars in July last year (but which now seems to be listed as unsold) which was a 42k 1994 car bid to £98K.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-lamborghi...
Obviously this is visually mucked about with but had been sorted by Top Gear a few years back so was far from a poor example
They also sold a beautiful dark green SV and a seemingly perfect 15k VT for £132k per piece so no std 2WD should be anywhere close to that money. I would love an SV from a visual perspective, and suspect you may maintain any price differential, but £25k is a lot of additional money to wrap up in a very similar car
Depending on your comfort with an LHD car one thought that may be worth pursuing is looking across the pond. From what I have heard there are around 900 first gen Diablos of which no more than 50 are RHD. Waiting for one to come along and for the seller to have reasonable expectations may take a while. Given the state of the economy in Europe in the early 90s by far the largest proportion must have gone to the US and they seem to be cheaper there
This one sold on BAT last year for $125k - it was a 2 owner car with the last owner having owned it from 1996, a full luggage set, and a recent $23k overhaul, that seems like a lot of car for the money
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-lamborghini...
And Mario Andretti's old car with 36k KMs sold for just $68k (admittedly in need of re-commissioning)
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/fl20/online-onl...
It might be that a well bought US car could be more car for the same money and then turn a small profit when the time came to move on
Around town they are a good workout, which is no bad thing and keeps you alert.
The Andretti car was a good buy for someone.
Ferruccio said:
Personally I think that a 2WD should be worth more than a VT.
Longer term, definitely.
That would be nice - mine has sadly been allocated into a bucket marked school fees at a point in about five years time...Longer term, definitely.
That particular VT was immaculate, so think the price may be about that as much as anything - there is also no doubt that people seem to favour the lower dash and PAS?
There does seem to be some love returning for the rawer, purer original cars however. Not just the Harry's Garage Vid but also Jay Leno and I like this little write up
https://wearecurated.com/lamborghini-diablo-classi...
When I bought mine, Carlo at Top Gear Specialist Cars did say that the early 2wd cars were some of the fastest feeling Diablos. Given the weight of the car on Harry's Garage it may be that much of the supposed "lightweight" benefit of an SV is more paper based than real...
what do you guys think of this one? and how much would you say?
https://jeremycottingham.co.uk/Stock/13555/Lamborg...
https://jeremycottingham.co.uk/Stock/13555/Lamborg...
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