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Well then, after a tour that has taken us through Lamborghini, Maserati, De Tomaso, Alfa, Lancia, Fiat, Citroen, Intermecannica, Monteverdi, Cristalia, Pegaso and much more it seems that the majority favor the Miura as #1 and I think they are probably right.
Great works of art should not be tampered with though, so why coat the Miura with bits of zinc? Anyway here’s something of an oddity, the Miura ZN75
Then of course there are the cars we were robbed of, mix together the words Bertone and Stratos (how could it be bad) and look
It was made in 1970…………..scary. Now if somebody actually had the danglies to build the thing I have a sneaky feeling they might shift one or two of them. Its 34 years old for Christ sake and look what we get now, a Lambo that looks like a Celica
Great works of art should not be tampered with though, so why coat the Miura with bits of zinc? Anyway here’s something of an oddity, the Miura ZN75
Then of course there are the cars we were robbed of, mix together the words Bertone and Stratos (how could it be bad) and look
It was made in 1970…………..scary. Now if somebody actually had the danglies to build the thing I have a sneaky feeling they might shift one or two of them. Its 34 years old for Christ sake and look what we get now, a Lambo that looks like a Celica
trackdemon said:
So clearly, Italy rocks.
While Ettore Bugatti was born Italian he settled in Alsace, an area located in FRANCE bordering Germany that was French then German then French then German then French again (see history books
) So, apart from the name there's hardly anything italian-related with Bugatti.
The beauty of Bugatti engineering is quite like that of Voisin and other car manufacturers from the late 1920s (full 'Art Deco' period).
>> Edited by Thom on Saturday 14th August 07:51
Take one perfectly acceptable Lancia Integrale and blend with exotic ingredients from the nice chaps at Zagato and what have you got?
The Hyena!!!
There was I recall one for sale recently for a very generous £50k, won’t see to many others in the golf club car park I would imagine.
Topsuff, Mangusta details to follow later but as I recall it wasn’t Tom Tjaarda who did the Pantera. It was a bit of a mix and match from Bizzarrini and Guigiaro who were trying to design a 2 door ISO but due to a lack of a workable chassis ditched the project which then got picked up by the cunning De Tomaso. Or something like that.
As for the SZ (or indeed the RZ, good call) what betters ways are there of spending £18k?
The Hyena!!!
There was I recall one for sale recently for a very generous £50k, won’t see to many others in the golf club car park I would imagine.
Topsuff, Mangusta details to follow later but as I recall it wasn’t Tom Tjaarda who did the Pantera. It was a bit of a mix and match from Bizzarrini and Guigiaro who were trying to design a 2 door ISO but due to a lack of a workable chassis ditched the project which then got picked up by the cunning De Tomaso. Or something like that.
As for the SZ (or indeed the RZ, good call) what betters ways are there of spending £18k?
And that Fiat Dino has made me consider selling the Chim! 
Well, we must go on. Nice Panteras:
Miura
www.motorlegend.com/dossiers/retrospective/saga_lambo/lambo12.php
www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/
So nice to see you all so enthusiastic. I'm curious to see muchos body variants by all those nice carrozzerias. What happend to Frua, Michellotti and all?
My god! Best looking Italo roadster ever: for Aston.
Or is it this Masser by Frua?
Miura
www.motorlegend.com/dossiers/retrospective/saga_lambo/lambo12.php
www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/
So nice to see you all so enthusiastic. I'm curious to see muchos body variants by all those nice carrozzerias. What happend to Frua, Michellotti and all?
My god! Best looking Italo roadster ever: for Aston.
Or is it this Masser by Frua?
While on the Zagato theme
The single 1996 Lamborghini Raptor Zagato prototype was auctioned by Brooks Europe during the March 2000 Geneva Auto Show. Closing bid for this one-of-a-kind automobile reached 360,000 Swiss Francs (CHF) = $216,371.88 USD = £117,000 approx., less than the price of a new Diablo. A rather low price for this very rare car but a great opportunity for the happy new owner, the car was shipped to the United States were it is now located in a private collection.
Raptor specifications
Wheelbase : 2650 mm
Length : 4380 mm
Width : 2020 mm
Height : 1095 mm
Weight : 1350 Kg
Engine type : DOHC V-12 mid mounted, four wheel drive
Displacement : 5700 cc
Max. power : 492 Bhp at 7000 rpm (620 Bhp with the compressor installed)
Max. Torque : 580 Nm (428Lbs Ft.) at 5200 rpm
Tyres : P-Zero front 245/35ZR18 - rear 335/30ZR18
Top speed : over 330 Km/h
0-62 km/h : under 4s
The single 1996 Lamborghini Raptor Zagato prototype was auctioned by Brooks Europe during the March 2000 Geneva Auto Show. Closing bid for this one-of-a-kind automobile reached 360,000 Swiss Francs (CHF) = $216,371.88 USD = £117,000 approx., less than the price of a new Diablo. A rather low price for this very rare car but a great opportunity for the happy new owner, the car was shipped to the United States were it is now located in a private collection.
Raptor specifications
Wheelbase : 2650 mm
Length : 4380 mm
Width : 2020 mm
Height : 1095 mm
Weight : 1350 Kg
Engine type : DOHC V-12 mid mounted, four wheel drive
Displacement : 5700 cc
Max. power : 492 Bhp at 7000 rpm (620 Bhp with the compressor installed)
Max. Torque : 580 Nm (428Lbs Ft.) at 5200 rpm
Tyres : P-Zero front 245/35ZR18 - rear 335/30ZR18
Top speed : over 330 Km/h
0-62 km/h : under 4s
For all of who have had the De Tomaso induced ‘road to Damascus’ experience there is good news. As far as I’m aware you can still actually order a brand new De tomaso in the shape of the Guara. I have to confess I’m not that familiar with what they are like but using the traditional backbone chassis and mid mounted V8 seems to put it on the right straight. BMW powered these days buy weighing about 1200 kg’s I can think its to shoddy.
Any way here’s a pic and a link to the folks who sell the beasts.
www.detomasouk.co.uk/pages/new.htm
Comments, thoughts? Come on Ted recognisance is required
Any way here’s a pic and a link to the folks who sell the beasts.
www.detomasouk.co.uk/pages/new.htm
Comments, thoughts? Come on Ted recognisance is required
Not elite, but...
So here's one specially for toppstuff...
And one strictly for me...
toppstuff, I lost touch with the owner of the Dino, but if you find one look for leakage around the cylinder heads. You had to take the camshafts out to tighten the heads down evenly, and a lot of people just didn't bother.
Isn't it extraordinary how much beauty the Italians design into their cars? Even the little X19 was a masterpiece.
So here's one specially for toppstuff...
And one strictly for me...
toppstuff, I lost touch with the owner of the Dino, but if you find one look for leakage around the cylinder heads. You had to take the camshafts out to tighten the heads down evenly, and a lot of people just didn't bother.
Isn't it extraordinary how much beauty the Italians design into their cars? Even the little X19 was a masterpiece.
Have only just returned from the land of the free and the home of the brave so forgive me joining the fray somewhat late.
The Lambo story is one to warm the cockles of any true enthusiasts heart - Ferrucio Lamborghini deciding that he wants a super-car so good that only he can build it so that's just what he does - brilliant.
The old man got to within cheque writing distance of butying an orange Espada out of a bizarre collection of an eccentric Norfolk zoo owner in the early 80's. Sadly Ma decreed said vehicle vulgar and another XJ-S turned up. I wanted him to spend the trifling £9,000 on the beast so much my bladder hurt and I haven't fully forgiven my lemon-sucking mother and her kill-joy presbytarian ways to this day.
But here's a thing about the eye-tie exotica: the newer it is the more obvious it seems. Give me a 350 GT, a Jarma or - the best looking lambo ever; the Silhouete.
The Lambo story is one to warm the cockles of any true enthusiasts heart - Ferrucio Lamborghini deciding that he wants a super-car so good that only he can build it so that's just what he does - brilliant.
The old man got to within cheque writing distance of butying an orange Espada out of a bizarre collection of an eccentric Norfolk zoo owner in the early 80's. Sadly Ma decreed said vehicle vulgar and another XJ-S turned up. I wanted him to spend the trifling £9,000 on the beast so much my bladder hurt and I haven't fully forgiven my lemon-sucking mother and her kill-joy presbytarian ways to this day.
But here's a thing about the eye-tie exotica: the newer it is the more obvious it seems. Give me a 350 GT, a Jarma or - the best looking lambo ever; the Silhouete.
McNab said:
Nice one McNab.
Now chaps, i appeal to you all.
Consider the different 4 seater GT coupes over the years. Is'nt this the most gorgeous car? I don't think its proportions and styling have been bettered yet.
Think of GT coupes these days - Celicas, Calibras, Ford Cougars and all that dross. And then feast on the Fiat Dino - its simply better looking is'nt it?
Progress? Pah !
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