Well here it is - the 720S
Discussion
isaldiri said:
Am I missing something? How do people get 1100 675s? There's 500 coupes, 500 spiders, 25 carbon series spiders and maybe 20 prototype cars......
I'm guessing it's andy74b that is the person in question, well, the dealership are the ones that arrange the invites. It's up to them to invite people who by and large all have deposits on the P14, the factory afaik hasn't got involved in this. Much the same exists for allocations I'd imagine. MSO told the dealerships who were getting the HS but that's a somewhat different case compared to say the 675s which weren't difficult to get early on anyway and Mclaren were hardly going to insist on not selling him a 675 at the time and even if they had been unhappy with him, they were unlikely to be £2m unhappy with him not to sell him a P1GTR
20 I'm guessing it's andy74b that is the person in question, well, the dealership are the ones that arrange the invites. It's up to them to invite people who by and large all have deposits on the P14, the factory afaik hasn't got involved in this. Much the same exists for allocations I'd imagine. MSO told the dealerships who were getting the HS but that's a somewhat different case compared to say the 675s which weren't difficult to get early on anyway and Mclaren were hardly going to insist on not selling him a 675 at the time and even if they had been unhappy with him, they were unlikely to be £2m unhappy with him not to sell him a P1GTR
I am also interested where the 1,100 number comes from.Can't wait to see more of this P14, particularly in person!
koorby said:
It's growing on me, but I really, really want big air intakes behind the doors on a supercar, and having just body skin there is what throws the impression to the negative.
Interesting how the bowed roof flowing down to a rounded lower rear window borrows directly from the 570GT.
I need to see it in the flesh before making my mind up but I agree with this, a supercar should have big shoulders with air intakes that make whooshing noises and threaten to suck the scenery in. It needs to make kids want to peer down inside and from these pictures I'm concerned that McLaren have done the MP4-12C thing again - incredible performance but no soul. I'm not sure this will ever be a poster car and that's a shame because performance does sound incredible.Interesting how the bowed roof flowing down to a rounded lower rear window borrows directly from the 570GT.
That front still looks 'unfinished' to me. I'm sure it's performance optimised but it's ain't pretty. There just doesn't appear to be enough design going on - it's like hot air has been blown over it and melted away some bits in the name of aerodynamics. I do hope I'm wrong and it works in the flesh, otherwise it's kinda turtle like ..
I think we'll look back on this era of supercar design and regret that we got so obsessed with 0-60 and Nurburgring times and so produced cars that could never be exploited on the road and made sense only in youtube videos and instagram selfies uploaded by the same 7 "I don't live in the real world' journalists and numerous enthusiastic but spotty teenagers. (ok - unfair but you know what I mean). C'mon McLaren - and the rest of you - lets get back to the real world inhabited by folk who don't do Leaderboard laps at Anglesey every weekend. Build us a car that will have us giggling and whooping making 'rapid progress' down the B4025 (Don't google that - I made it up) when bunking off for an afternoon buzz, one that will rip your face off off just looking at it. I dare you. (Les, don't let us down)
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Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 5th February 16:40
I think it will please most people when we get to see it in the flesh.
But the great news, assuming the rumoured performance leaks are close to the truth, is how fast McLaren is setting the bar at this end of the market, and for someone looking to join the owners club, will hopefully depress prices further for their existing line up.
I know the 675LT is "limited" but every car manufacturer has begun to catch on to the "give it a limited badge" to guarantee a sell out, create a buzz. But when there are now so many subsets of "limited edition" models how limited are they?! I think the 650s is the most mispriced car in their range. Is a 675LT really worth £200k more?
OT but in general I do think the nearly 10 years of QE and with it a zero interest rate environment, has dulled the senses of this community with respect to long term market value and risk. Especially when a very sizeable majority of the market place and hence marginal buyer is highly leveraged. If interest rates return to long run averages this market will take a big bath. I won't forget because I was too slow to respond, but in the 2008 crash getting the call from a dealer offering me a F40 for £125k!.
But the great news, assuming the rumoured performance leaks are close to the truth, is how fast McLaren is setting the bar at this end of the market, and for someone looking to join the owners club, will hopefully depress prices further for their existing line up.
I know the 675LT is "limited" but every car manufacturer has begun to catch on to the "give it a limited badge" to guarantee a sell out, create a buzz. But when there are now so many subsets of "limited edition" models how limited are they?! I think the 650s is the most mispriced car in their range. Is a 675LT really worth £200k more?
OT but in general I do think the nearly 10 years of QE and with it a zero interest rate environment, has dulled the senses of this community with respect to long term market value and risk. Especially when a very sizeable majority of the market place and hence marginal buyer is highly leveraged. If interest rates return to long run averages this market will take a big bath. I won't forget because I was too slow to respond, but in the 2008 crash getting the call from a dealer offering me a F40 for £125k!.
If all the performance figures are true and the cabin and car in general is that good
If I was a 650/675 owner I think I'd be selling before the p14 is released as I see residuals taking a dive! Especially when they will bring a 720s lt out at some point!
Imagine paying 300/350k for a 675lt only for the 720 at 220k absolutely trounce it!!
If I was a 650/675 owner I think I'd be selling before the p14 is released as I see residuals taking a dive! Especially when they will bring a 720s lt out at some point!
Imagine paying 300/350k for a 675lt only for the 720 at 220k absolutely trounce it!!
lee_fr200 said:
If all the performance figures are true and the cabin and car in general is that good
If I was a 650/675 owner I think I'd be selling before the p14 is released as I see residuals taking a dive! Especially when they will bring a 720s lt out at some point!
Imagine paying 300/350k for a 675lt only for the 720 at 220k absolutely trounce it!!
That's a good point Lee. What are 650/675 owners on here currently thinking - are you considering the upgrade or happy with your current car? McLaren are doing an incredible job of raising the bar but so many new cars with such a step forward in performance is going to hammer residuals. I think I see a 'carbon tubbed' car in my future - picked up at a cheeky bargain basement price If I was a 650/675 owner I think I'd be selling before the p14 is released as I see residuals taking a dive! Especially when they will bring a 720s lt out at some point!
Imagine paying 300/350k for a 675lt only for the 720 at 220k absolutely trounce it!!
lee_fr200 said:
Imagine paying 300/350k for a 675lt only for the 720 at 220k absolutely trounce it!!
The LT is a much more focused car than this new 720S right? I happen to think the LT looks nicer and will outperform almost everything else with the right driver behind the wheel, if that's your bag. Sounds like the 720S might have it beaten in certain areas (compliance/top speed) but does that mean it's better? No doubt that buyers paying big overs for LT's might take a bath at some point but wasn't that always potentially the case?
Me - if I did have an LT I think I'd keep it over swapping into this 720. The 720 Coupe will be bettered by the 720 Spider and that by the LT and that by the LT Spider and so the cycle goes on...
I was thinking about a used 675LT but ultimately you buy a McLaren for performance/technology imho, and there in lies the rub. It will take a long time before there is enough road car history to buy a McLaren for nostalgia or provenance (F1 excluded of course), so a used 650 or the upcoming 720s are really where it is at for me. This car leaves the 675 in a bit of a limbo, especially when 650's are such good value right now if budget constrained.
thecook101 said:
koorby said:
It's growing on me, but I really, really want big air intakes behind the doors on a supercar, and having just body skin there is what throws the impression to the negative.
Interesting how the bowed roof flowing down to a rounded lower rear window borrows directly from the 570GT.
I need to see it in the flesh before making my mind up but I agree with this, a supercar should have big shoulders with air intakes that make whooshing noises and threaten to suck the scenery in. It needs to make kids want to peer down inside and from these pictures I'm concerned that McLaren have done the MP4-12C thing again - incredible performance but no soul. I'm not sure this will ever be a poster car and that's a shame because performance does sound incredible.Interesting how the bowed roof flowing down to a rounded lower rear window borrows directly from the 570GT.
That front still looks 'unfinished' to me. I'm sure it's performance optimised but it's ain't pretty. There just doesn't appear to be enough design going on - it's like hot air has been blown over it and melted away some bits in the name of aerodynamics. I do hope I'm wrong and it works in the flesh, otherwise it's kinda turtle like ..
I think we'll look back on this era of supercar design and regret that we got so obsessed with 0-60 and Nurburgring times and so produced cars that could never be exploited on the road and made sense only in youtube videos and instagram selfies uploaded by the same 7 "I don't live in the real world' journalists and numerous enthusiastic but spotty teenagers. (ok - unfair but you know what I mean). C'mon McLaren - and the rest of you - lets get back to the real world inhabited by folk who don't do Leaderboard laps at Anglesey every weekend. Build us a car that will have us giggling and whooping making 'rapid progress' down the B4025 (Don't google that - I made it up) when bunking off for an afternoon buzz, one that will rip your face off off just looking at it. I dare you. (Les, don't let us down)
As I approach my 56 birthday I have been around long enough to see the birth and development of the supercar. McLaren really excites me at the moment. The 720s which let’s not forget is not a special appears like it might show an LT, a 488 and even the new Ford GT a clean pair of heals. If correct what does the opposition do next?
The Ford GT I think could be obsolete before the first customer even receives their car, those I suspect holding deposits might be a bit nervous at this point especially if you consider how much one is likely to cost. As the saying goes “We live in interesting times”
As for your desire for a car designed to be fun on the road McLaren have that covered for you with the 570S and GT both of which are optimised to feel and work best at road speeds, these are not major track weapons. I have yet to read a review that says differently or has not been full of praise for them
Edited by Streetrod on Friday 3rd February 14:02
Streetrod said:
May I comment on what you said about scoops? Super car design has failed to move on in this area for nearly 30 years, the same goes for bolt on wings. We are all so used to seeing huge scoops it jars when all of a sudden a design comes along that eliminates them and comes up with an innovative alternative. This I have to celebrate. Great car design should be looking to move the game on and so far I am really buying into the new McLaren design language, it gives the designers much more options and I think the P14 looks flipping cool and will have a huge road presence.
As I approach my 56 birthday I have been around long enough to see the birth and development of the supercar. McLaren really excites me at the moment. The 720s which let’s not forget is not a special appears like it might show an LT, a 488 and even the new Ford GT a clean pair of heals. If correct what does the opposition do next?
The Ford GT I think could be obsolete before the first customer even receives their car, those I suspect holding deposits might be a bit nervous at this point especially if you consider how much one is likely to cost. As the saying goes “We live in interesting times”
What does the competition do?As I approach my 56 birthday I have been around long enough to see the birth and development of the supercar. McLaren really excites me at the moment. The 720s which let’s not forget is not a special appears like it might show an LT, a 488 and even the new Ford GT a clean pair of heals. If correct what does the opposition do next?
The Ford GT I think could be obsolete before the first customer even receives their car, those I suspect holding deposits might be a bit nervous at this point especially if you consider how much one is likely to cost. As the saying goes “We live in interesting times”
The same thing McLaren have done in the face of competition... keep pushing and going further.
In terms of stats the game is nearly up unless they can produce a passenger cell that'll allow 0-60 in 0.1 sec
The game in terms of feel and emotional engagement should still run though.
It is indeed interesting... watched Bovingdon take a passenger ride in the Chiron... it's just nuts.
The more these hyper cars perform at such stratospheric levels at stratospheric prices the more I think there is room for the more moderate, more engaging drive within, or closer to legal limits.
Streetrod said:
May I comment on what you said about scoops? Super car design has failed to move on in this area for nearly 30 years, the same goes for bolt on wings. We are all so used to seeing huge scoops it jars when all of a sudden a design comes along that eliminates them and comes up with an innovative alternative. This I have to celebrate. Great car design should be looking to move the game on and so far I am really buying into the new McLaren design language, it gives the designers much more options and I think the P14 looks flipping cool and will have a huge road presence.
As I approach my 56 birthday I have been around long enough to see the birth and development of the supercar. McLaren really excites me at the moment. The 720s which let’s not forget is not a special appears like it might show an LT, a 488 and even the new Ford GT a clean pair of heals. If correct what does the opposition do next?
The Ford GT I think could be obsolete before the first customer even receives their car, those I suspect holding deposits might be a bit nervous at this point especially if you consider how much one is likely to cost. As the saying goes “We live in interesting times”
As for your desire for a car designed to be fun on the road McLaren have that covered for you with the 570S and GT both of which are optimised to feel and work best at road speeds, these are not major track weapons. I have yet to read a review that says differently or has not been full of praise for them
Valid points I agree - I remember how I disliked the Bangle BMWs when they first arrived but his inverted curves have dominated car design for 30 years now too. I'd only question one point you make in that I don't agree that better performance than the Ford GT for example makes it a better car. I'm pretty sure that those lucky enough to have been allocated a slot for the new GT are not looking at 0-60 times - LeMans winning provenance and just look at it!As I approach my 56 birthday I have been around long enough to see the birth and development of the supercar. McLaren really excites me at the moment. The 720s which let’s not forget is not a special appears like it might show an LT, a 488 and even the new Ford GT a clean pair of heals. If correct what does the opposition do next?
The Ford GT I think could be obsolete before the first customer even receives their car, those I suspect holding deposits might be a bit nervous at this point especially if you consider how much one is likely to cost. As the saying goes “We live in interesting times”
As for your desire for a car designed to be fun on the road McLaren have that covered for you with the 570S and GT both of which are optimised to feel and work best at road speeds, these are not major track weapons. I have yet to read a review that says differently or has not been full of praise for them
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 3rd February 14:02
Note: I am not saying it's a better car or not - it's just different and will pull on different strings.
Bangle was by no means the first to use inverted curves. He was the first to get a mainstream brand to deface almost their entire range with his questionable use of them though.... he had an impact no doubt about that...
Limited numbers and a sniff of history/pedigree are the Ford's only hope now for the GT.....plus for those that simply could not live with anything that looked in any way different...getting quite crowded at the top..
Limited numbers and a sniff of history/pedigree are the Ford's only hope now for the GT.....plus for those that simply could not live with anything that looked in any way different...getting quite crowded at the top..
Quickmoose said:
Streetrod said:
May I comment on what you said about scoops? Super car design has failed to move on in this area for nearly 30 years, the same goes for bolt on wings. We are all so used to seeing huge scoops it jars when all of a sudden a design comes along that eliminates them and comes up with an innovative alternative. This I have to celebrate. Great car design should be looking to move the game on and so far I am really buying into the new McLaren design language, it gives the designers much more options and I think the P14 looks flipping cool and will have a huge road presence.
As I approach my 56 birthday I have been around long enough to see the birth and development of the supercar. McLaren really excites me at the moment. The 720s which let’s not forget is not a special appears like it might show an LT, a 488 and even the new Ford GT a clean pair of heals. If correct what does the opposition do next?
The Ford GT I think could be obsolete before the first customer even receives their car, those I suspect holding deposits might be a bit nervous at this point especially if you consider how much one is likely to cost. As the saying goes “We live in interesting times”
What does the competition do?As I approach my 56 birthday I have been around long enough to see the birth and development of the supercar. McLaren really excites me at the moment. The 720s which let’s not forget is not a special appears like it might show an LT, a 488 and even the new Ford GT a clean pair of heals. If correct what does the opposition do next?
The Ford GT I think could be obsolete before the first customer even receives their car, those I suspect holding deposits might be a bit nervous at this point especially if you consider how much one is likely to cost. As the saying goes “We live in interesting times”
The same thing McLaren have done in the face of competition... keep pushing and going further.
In terms of stats the game is nearly up unless they can produce a passenger cell that'll allow 0-60 in 0.1 sec
The game in terms of feel and emotional engagement should still run though.
It is indeed interesting... watched Bovingdon take a passenger ride in the Chiron... it's just nuts.
The more these hyper cars perform at such stratospheric levels at stratospheric prices the more I think there is room for the more moderate, more engaging drive within, or closer to legal limits.
Ultimate lap times I suspect will start to loose favor. What the 570 has shown us is that a well set up chassis with hydraulic steering can provide more fun on the road than anyone could want. If you want to track your car then buy a dedicated track car, it will be a hell of as lot cheaper, much faster and a lot more fun
I hope that the 720S learns lessons from the 570, but just turns up the dial to 11, if it manages to do this then I think McLaren will have a massive winner on its hands
Quickmoose said:
Bangle was by no means the first to use inverted curves. He was the first to get a mainstream brand to deface almost their entire range with his questionable use of them though.... he had an impact no doubt about that...
Limited numbers and a sniff of history/pedigree are the Ford's only hope now for the GT.....plus for those that simply could not live with anything that looked in any way different...getting quite crowded at the top..
Don't talk to me about Bangle bootsLimited numbers and a sniff of history/pedigree are the Ford's only hope now for the GT.....plus for those that simply could not live with anything that looked in any way different...getting quite crowded at the top..
Hideous!! I really worry about the Ford GT, its problem is that we have seen it now for years and we are still nowhere near to customer cars being delivered, An ecoboost V6 is never going to gain you bragging rights plus the interior I saw on what was supposed to be a near production ready car was so low rent as to be laughable.
Even at a conservative £300k to £400k it also looks really expensive. Personally I think its LeMans win will not be enough to save it and this comes from someone who really likes the external design. Only thing I think it has going for it now is that it will be rare
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