Well here it is - the 720S

[WDISMYL]

Should this even be a debate? It's choice. What's wrong with choices, especially when they have zero impact on anyone else.

The chap who said "I can't stand people who spec for resale" should probably take a walk around the block. Why does it upset him so much?! Bizarre.

My family daily driver which I tend to keep for 10 years, I always buy brand new and spec to whatever I want.

Supercars I try to buy 2-3 years old and am thankful for people who have specced for resale! I might break that rule with the 720s though and buy new - in which case of course I'm going to spec with resale in mind. I might want to sell it! What's more logical than that?

[Bunty Killa]

WDISMYL said:

Should this even be a debate? It's choice. What's wrong with choices, especially when they have zero impact on anyone else.

The chap who said "I can't stand people who spec for resale" should probably take a walk around the block. Why does it upset him so much?! Bizarre.

My family daily driver which I tend to keep for 10 years, I always buy brand new and spec to whatever I want.

Supercars I try to buy 2-3 years old and am thankful for people who have specced for resale! I might break that rule with the 720s though and buy new - in which case of course I'm going to spec with resale in mind. I might want to sell it! What's more logical than that?

Exactly! The other day I said £60k for an MSO paint was crazy but it was justified that some people like to spend that kind of money which is fair enough. But the exact same people on here criticising someone for having a free/low cost paint job - Go figure!

[Sarnie]

PurpleAki said:

MDL111 said:

Beefmeister said:

Craigwww said:

You would be mental to wrap a brand new 720S. Just choose a colour you like from the start, can't stand these people who are obsessed with speccing a car for the next owner and not themselves.

Not really. You buy it in a neutral or resale friendly colour and then get it wrapped it a more exciting colour. The paint is protected from new, you can always go back to a more sedate paint job at any time and of course you can change to another bright colour should you want to. It really is the best of both worlds.

Modern wraps can be polished to a proper finish and when they wrap into the door shuts etc nobody would know.

You're not speccing it for the next owner, you're getting the car you want and the car the market wants when you come to sell.

Seems strange to me. Could see a wrap if you wanted something that the factory can't/won't do (or only at prohibitive cost) but to spec a colour you don't want on something that costs 300k and then wrap it - which is inferior to paint - just because it might help resale is a very weird concept to me. Might as well buy a Speciale or an RS Porsche then at similar money as those might even appreciate in value as tthey are cars the market wants even more.

I agree. Speccing a £300k in a colour you don't want! Great advice...

+1............wrapping a £300k car!?!?

[mattf93]

Sarnie said:

PurpleAki said:

MDL111 said:

Beefmeister said:

Craigwww said:

You would be mental to wrap a brand new 720S. Just choose a colour you like from the start, can't stand these people who are obsessed with speccing a car for the next owner and not themselves.

Not really. You buy it in a neutral or resale friendly colour and then get it wrapped it a more exciting colour. The paint is protected from new, you can always go back to a more sedate paint job at any time and of course you can change to another bright colour should you want to. It really is the best of both worlds.

Modern wraps can be polished to a proper finish and when they wrap into the door shuts etc nobody would know.

You're not speccing it for the next owner, you're getting the car you want and the car the market wants when you come to sell.

Seems strange to me. Could see a wrap if you wanted something that the factory can't/won't do (or only at prohibitive cost) but to spec a colour you don't want on something that costs 300k and then wrap it - which is inferior to paint - just because it might help resale is a very weird concept to me. Might as well buy a Speciale or an RS Porsche then at similar money as those might even appreciate in value as tthey are cars the market wants even more.

I agree. Speccing a £300k in a colour you don't want! Great advice...

+1............wrapping a £300k car!?!?

Ok Put it this way, I would have thought with all the aero going on with this car that most owners will have their cars wrapped completely in Paint Protection Film by Topaz or a company of that calibre? Protect the paint and piece of mind. So what is different if someone wants to add a coloured wrap instead of a clear wrap? for the more special colours it does make sense as some people may not be able to justify 7-15k on paint but can justify 9k on carbon?

It just depends what each individual owner likes. Which is where PH is good - differing opinions. If I were in the position I love the idea of Fistral blue - in the back of my mind though I would think when spending 300k on a car - how can I protect the future value still. So wrapping it in fistral or similar makes a good point in relation to that point however you lot are right 'it will never recreate what the paint can' and I accept that. I'm just saying some would rather save a bit to spend on carbon and wrap the car instead.

Annoying that the configurator doesn't seem to let you do contrast stitching, MSO anodized switches etc? Interiors on the 720 configurator look slightly drab at the moment without being able to personalise them a little more...

All being said, Im thinking that the majority of owners will be going with white, silver, grey or black!

[isaldiri]

mattf93 said:

Annoying that the configurator doesn't seem to let you do contrast stitching, MSO anodized switches etc? Interiors on the 720 configurator look slightly drab at the moment without being able to personalise them a little more...

All being said, Im thinking that the majority of owners will be going with white, silver, grey or black!

Presumably anything not in the configurator means having to go to MSO to be done for the interior which probably means extra $$$ and delays.... Although I do remember the 12c having a lot more interior colour options actually so it's odd there are only the 3 colours outside of black available now (and none if you choose bucket seats).

If I do get a car it'll definitely be in black. Got to hide those blasted headlight intakes.....

[Sarnie]

mattf93 said:

Sarnie said:

PurpleAki said:

MDL111 said:

Beefmeister said:

Craigwww said:

You would be mental to wrap a brand new 720S. Just choose a colour you like from the start, can't stand these people who are obsessed with speccing a car for the next owner and not themselves.

Not really. You buy it in a neutral or resale friendly colour and then get it wrapped it a more exciting colour. The paint is protected from new, you can always go back to a more sedate paint job at any time and of course you can change to another bright colour should you want to. It really is the best of both worlds.

Modern wraps can be polished to a proper finish and when they wrap into the door shuts etc nobody would know.

You're not speccing it for the next owner, you're getting the car you want and the car the market wants when you come to sell.

Seems strange to me. Could see a wrap if you wanted something that the factory can't/won't do (or only at prohibitive cost) but to spec a colour you don't want on something that costs 300k and then wrap it - which is inferior to paint - just because it might help resale is a very weird concept to me. Might as well buy a Speciale or an RS Porsche then at similar money as those might even appreciate in value as tthey are cars the market wants even more.

I agree. Speccing a £300k in a colour you don't want! Great advice...

+1............wrapping a £300k car!?!?

Ok Put it this way, I would have thought with all the aero going on with this car that most owners will have their cars wrapped completely in Paint Protection Film by Topaz or a company of that calibre? Protect the paint and piece of mind. So what is different if someone wants to add a coloured wrap instead of a clear wrap?

For me, the difference is that one is ordering the car (spending £250k upwards in the process) for themselves and is investing in clear film to protect the car and it's paint.

The other is still spending similar money and then is choosing a colour they don't actually want and then spending a significant amount to change that colour to something they actually want. Seems odd to me. Also, and I may or may not be alone on this, but when I read in the classifieds "Was previously wrapped so paint is perfect"........I read "Was previously wrapped in chrome gold, hired out to all and sundry, thrashed up and down local high streets and may have significant paints defects where the local wrapper couldn't be bothered to remove it properly"..........whereas when I read that someone has invested £4-£5k on clear film to protect the car that gives me an image that the owner has gone to great and expensive lengths to keep the car perfect from the outset...........that may be just me though of course!!


I've got a 570s due in May.......in an MSO colour because I didn't want it in the usual white or grey......I could have wrapped it to the colour I wanted but makes no sense to me.......and yes, I'll be investing in PPF to protect the paint too!

[flemke]

mattf93 said:

Im thinking that the majority of owners will be going with white, silver, grey or black!

And they said that the mentality of Ron Dennis left McLaren when he did!

[Craigwww]

mattf93 said:

Sarnie said:

PurpleAki said:

MDL111 said:

Beefmeister said:

Craigwww said:

You would be mental to wrap a brand new 720S. Just choose a colour you like from the start, can't stand these people who are obsessed with speccing a car for the next owner and not themselves.

Not really. You buy it in a neutral or resale friendly colour and then get it wrapped it a more exciting colour. The paint is protected from new, you can always go back to a more sedate paint job at any time and of course you can change to another bright colour should you want to. It really is the best of both worlds.

Modern wraps can be polished to a proper finish and when they wrap into the door shuts etc nobody would know.

You're not speccing it for the next owner, you're getting the car you want and the car the market wants when you come to sell.

Seems strange to me. Could see a wrap if you wanted something that the factory can't/won't do (or only at prohibitive cost) but to spec a colour you don't want on something that costs 300k and then wrap it - which is inferior to paint - just because it might help resale is a very weird concept to me. Might as well buy a Speciale or an RS Porsche then at similar money as those might even appreciate in value as tthey are cars the market wants even more.

I agree. Speccing a £300k in a colour you don't want! Great advice...

+1............wrapping a £300k car!?!?

Ok Put it this way, I would have thought with all the aero going on with this car that most owners will have their cars wrapped completely in Paint Protection Film by Topaz or a company of that calibre? Protect the paint and piece of mind. So what is different if someone wants to add a coloured wrap instead of a clear wrap? for the more special colours it does make sense as some people may not be able to justify 7-15k on paint but can justify 9k on carbon?

It just depends what each individual owner likes. Which is where PH is good - differing opinions. If I were in the position I love the idea of Fistral blue - in the back of my mind though I would think when spending 300k on a car - how can I protect the future value still. So wrapping it in fistral or similar makes a good point in relation to that point however you lot are right 'it will never recreate what the paint can' and I accept that. I'm just saying some would rather save a bit to spend on carbon and wrap the car instead.

Annoying that the configurator doesn't seem to let you do contrast stitching, MSO anodized switches etc? Interiors on the 720 configurator look slightly drab at the moment without being able to personalise them a little more...

All being said, Im thinking that the majority of owners will be going with white, silver, grey or black!

It just doesn't compute with me.

Spend 300k on a car, choose the spec and colour. Then get it home and give it to someone for a week who is going to remove almost every panel on the car and cover the state of the art gleaming paintwork with a cheap vinyl in a different colour??

In the process risking damage to the paint (which you won't see until you take the wrap off). This will cost in the region of 5k for a McLaren done professionally. I don't care what anyone says, a wrap is not the same as paint, you do not have the same deep shine or depth of colour, it cannot be polished to the same extent and very few cars are successfully wrapped without a little damage somewhere on the bodywork. Not to mention the cost to remove the wrap, which isn't just like peeling a sticker off an apple btw. Also you are going to put off potential buyers if your honest about it having been wrapped.

All this cost and risk just so the next person down the line can get the colour they want? DO you think you will make back the 6k come resale ??

Madness.

Edited by Craigwww on Thursday 16th March 10:46

[Craigwww]

WDISMYL said:

Should this even be a debate? It's choice. What's wrong with choices, especially when they have zero impact on anyone else.

The chap who said "I can't stand people who spec for resale" should probably take a walk around the block. Why does it upset him so much?! Bizarre.

My family daily driver which I tend to keep for 10 years, I always buy brand new and spec to whatever I want.

Supercars I try to buy 2-3 years old and am thankful for people who have specced for resale! I might break that rule with the 720s though and buy new - in which case of course I'm going to spec with resale in mind. I might want to sell it! What's more logical than that?

Lol are you really going to choose a colour with the sole intent of selling it easier? Are McLaren's paint options that bad that if you don't choose a popular colour, come resale it's going to sit for months on end without any interest. I don't think so. McLaren offer a palette of colours that the market wants, some will sell better granted but all will sell.

[isaldiri]

flemke said:

mattf93 said:

Im thinking that the majority of owners will be going with white, silver, grey or black!

And they said that the mentality of Ron Dennis left McLaren when he did!

Maybe if the chief designer wasn't so hung up on his blasted biomimicry and squaliforme obsession and designed the front of the car better to work with another colour than dark grey or black, other colours might be chosen as they would look alright.....!

[WDISMYL]

Craigwww said:

Lol are you really going to choose a colour with the sole intent of selling it easier? Are McLaren's paint options that bad that if you don't choose a popular colour, come resale it's going to sit for months on end without any interest. I don't think so. McLaren offer a palette of colours that the market wants, some will sell better granted but all will sell.

You misunderstand the concept of "speccing a car with resale in mind". I'm just not going to choose options that may make re sale potentially difficult. Similarly I will add options such as "lift" even though I may not ever use it if the market perceives it as a must have. I may have to compromise but I won't choose anything I don't like myself. Subtle difference.

But again - you seem very angry about this. It's really not that important.

[Craigwww]

WDISMYL said:

You misunderstand the concept of "speccing a car with resale in mind". I'm just not going to choose options that may make re sale potentially difficult. Similarly I will add options such as "lift" even though I may not ever use it if the market perceives it as a must have. I may have to compromise but I won't choose anything I don't like myself. Subtle difference.

But again - you seem very angry about this. It's really not that important.

I'm not angry about this, it's nothing more than a fleeting moment of surprise really.

OK granted, but I was referring to colour rather than options.

Would you choose a colour that you don't particularity like just to make it easier to sell? Would you wrap a 300k supercar in a colour of your choice yet spec the car with a colour that someone else would like?

[WDISMYL]

No. I would never choose a colour I didn't like. And I have never wrapped a car. I will leave that for the youtube generation.

But to be somewhat contradictory I would add some carbon fibre, both inside and out even though I don't particularly like it! I just see it as a compromise. I don't dislike it enough to ruin the ownership experience but if I knew I was never going to sell I wouldn't bother with it.

Currently the market seems obsessed with the stuff, which is a pity.

Edited by WDISMYL on Thursday 16th March 11:14

[Craigwww]

WDISMYL said:

No. I would never choose a colour I didn't like. And I have never wrapped a car. I will leave that for the youtube generation.

But to be somewhat contradictory I would add some carbon fibre, both inside and out even though I don't particularly like it! I just see it as a compromise. I don't dislike it enough to ruin the ownership experience but if I knew I was never going to sell I wouldn't bother with it.

Currently the market seems obsessed with the stuff, which is a pity.

Edited by WDISMYL on Thursday 16th March 11:14

That is very different to the 'colour' discussion. I would call that just being smart.

[Streetrod]

Personally I find the whole wrapping thing a little odd. I come from a hot rodding and street rodding background where the quality of your paint job was paramount. Having painted a number of cars myself I know the good from the bad and the ugly.

Factory paint jobs are getting a lot better, especially after a good detailer has had a go at them.

To then cover them in an inferior quality wrap to me just sounds daft.

I feel confident that I can identify a wrapped car from about 10 meters away and I have yet to see a single one that stands up too close inspection compared to a good paint job.

By all means PPF your new car, that is a quality investment but forget the wraps, personally I think they cheapen the car, especially a super car like the 720s. This is all my personal opinion of course so please feel free to ignore

[flemke]

isaldiri said:

flemke said:

mattf93 said:

Im thinking that the majority of owners will be going with white, silver, grey or black!

And they said that the mentality of Ron Dennis left McLaren when he did!

Maybe if the chief designer wasn't so hung up on his blasted biomimicry and squaliforme obsession and designed the front of the car better to work with another colour than dark grey or black, other colours might be chosen as they would look alright.....!

Amen to that, brother!

[MDL111]

WDISMYL said:

No. I would never choose a colour I didn't like. And I have never wrapped a car. I will leave that for the youtube generation.

But to be somewhat contradictory I would add some carbon fibre, both inside and out even though I don't particularly like it! I just see it as a compromise. I don't dislike it enough to ruin the ownership experience but if I knew I was never going to sell I wouldn't bother with it.

Currently the market seems obsessed with the stuff, which is a pity.

Edited by WDISMYL on Thursday 16th March 11:14

Good example - I would never add that plasticky carbon stuff to my car (esp as the cost is a little hard to digest). Carbon for weight saving - good - carbon interior not so much imo. Resale be damned, who knows how often in my life I get to spec a new Supercar - if I buy one I will spec what I want and not a thing more or less (the price for the bucket seats, harness bar and harnesses is ridiculous btw - painful but necessary for me)

Luckily we are all different and I will happily own my unsellable spec - the only sad thing is that if I can't buy new, I doubt somebody else will spec like I would .... so no perfect used car for me

[stoatage17]

isaldiri said:

flemke said:

mattf93 said:

Im thinking that the majority of owners will be going with white, silver, grey or black!

And they said that the mentality of Ron Dennis left McLaren when he did!

Maybe if the chief designer wasn't so hung up on his blasted biomimicry and squaliforme obsession and designed the front of the car better to work with another colour than dark grey or black, other colours might be chosen as they would look alright.....!

Isaldiri, as a matter of interest have you seen the car in the flesh? I have along with quite a few yesterday, and all I spoke to thought the car looked fabulous overall. Nobody said the front look anything but great. Undoubtedly for me the best view, which most will see is the rear, but I think the frot is clever, and attractive! All a matter of opinion, but as all of those who have seen the car , it looks much better in the flesh.

[mattf93]

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I know this isn't to everyone's taste - but I personally think it looks the bks - unfortunately I am not in the position to be buying mind you - and I', sure many think itll look gopping in the flesh... Dare to be brave

Heres a 570 in fistral for comparison

Edited by mattf93 on Thursday 16th March 16:24

[Sarnie]

Not sure it looks so great when in the less sunny UK.........I like it though