570s - Reviews/ Videos/ Comparisons.

[mattf93]

br d said:

It's like talking to a fridge freezer.

I don't care about "Brand recognition" or "crap residuals", I buy the most exciting car available and enjoy every minute of it while I'm still breathing.
It's a Supercar, why the hell are you even thinking about residuals?

If you're sweating over every penny the car is losing then you really shouldn't be shopping in this market. These things plummet like a lift with the cable cut, all of them. I mean we could all buy an F40 or an SV and stick it in our temperature controlled garage while we tap the keys on our calculators and work out how much lovely money we're making sure. However, if we want a ridiculously fast car to blast around Europe in before:

A: We die
B: We're not allowed any more
C: Our businesses fail and we have to sell it

then we don't give a flying fook about depreciation!

You don't like Mclarens, we get that but please stop wittering on about how much money they're losing on a daily basis because we don't care! If we did we wouldn't buy them, just like you clearly haven't!

Brands are irrelevant to me, I have owned all the main marques and I buy on joy, not on whether some fking judgemental idiot in the High Street thinks he's seen my car on YouTube.

Edited by br d on Sunday 8th November 22:07

[TISPKJ]

NickOrangeCars said:

TISPKJ said:

Now I see that totally the reverse, the 570 only looks value at 140k, as above once you option a few bits and its 175k.
So new 570 or used 650 ?

Agree the 12c needs some cubby holes ...... Could get loads in those carbon sills

I still see a big gap -

• Hydraulic Suspension - However good they have made the 570S with traditional setup it is never going to be the super comfort / rigid on track that the 650S has.
• Active Aero
• Power
• More Traction - btw - I don't buy this crap about slower speed = more fun, I can (and do) go karting for low speed thrills.

I didn't buy a supercar because of cubby holes / space! I wanted stupid fast performance + precision steering + agility. The 570S is a compromise to meet the demands of 911 drivers, a 911 is also not a supercar (I love the way btw that McLaren says the 570S is not a supercar - and thus basically is saying the same about Porsche etc)

Think we are at cross purposses here, I am saying to me the almost new 650 v a new 570 at level money I would go for the 650, I said before and got shot for it the 570 should be 120k starter money. all IMO of course.

[mattf93]

TISPKJ said:

Think we are at cross purposses here, I am saying to me the almost new 650 v a new 570 at level money I would go for the 650, I said before and got shot for it the 570 should be 120k starter money. all IMO of course.

£120k for a carbon tubbed car? (excluding the 4c) When an R8 v10 plus and a Turbo S is more than that? I can't see how they would? Or more to the point - why they would?
Admittedly they have the 540c which cuts power, brakes and a few other bits down.
I think they have priced the 540c/570s well although I'm sure it would be better if it was £120k and £135k respectively thus undercutting a turbo s?

Edited by mattf93 on Monday 9th November 19:56

[TISPKJ]

mattf93 said:

TISPKJ said:

Think we are at cross purposses here, I am saying to me the almost new 650 v a new 570 at level money I would go for the 650, I said before and got shot for it the 570 should be 120k starter money. all IMO of course.

£120k for a carbon tubbed car? (excluding the 4c) When an R8 v10 plus and a Turbo S is more than that? I can't see how they would?
Admittedly they have the 540c which cuts power, brakes and a few other bits down.
I think they have priced the 540c/570s well although I'm sure it would be better if it was £120k and £135k respectively thus undercutting a turbo s?

Ok then spin my comment the other way if you prefer, the 650 is to cheap v a 570 at the same money.

[baypond]

TP321. you do not appear to have initiated a topic, but ambush topics with only negative comments. What cars do you own or aspire to? What criteria do you value most when judging a car? You seem to have more of a Bias Blind Spot than most of us on here.

[TP321]

baypond said:

TP321. you do not appear to have initiated a topic, but ambush topics with only negative comments. What cars do you own or aspire to? What criteria do you value most when judging a car? You seem to have more of a Bias Blind Spot than most of us on here.

Well if you insist Baypond...I only tell it as it is. If people wish to believe that the 570 is the best thing since sliced bread, then the old saying "a fool and his money are easily parted"! I have heard of 570s specced to £160-£170k - are they mad?? This is supposed to be the cheap McLaren - the Peoples McLaren. The 12C was listed at £169k in 2012. Nearly new Huracans are available for £175k - V10 normally aspirated, a noise to die for, and drop gorgeous looks. People have the wrong priorities when buying road cars - lap times don't matter - you don't have the balls or the skill to have it going sideways..(yes that carbon tub will mean nothing to you mate ). Its just a A-B machine which after a few years you will get bored and want to move it on for another.

And here lies the problem....you wont be able to because no one will bid you anything for it. Even Webuyanycar wont take it off you - go on, go on their site and see if you can get a quote as you can with Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, ...They will buy a TVR or a SSANGYONG (FFS) but not touch a McLaren....I wonder why that is?

I want to buy a car, drive and enjoy it, and after a year or two, i want to move on. Happy to lose £15-25K, but not £50k..

Edited by TP321 on Wednesday 11th November 23:04

Edited by TP321 on Wednesday 11th November 23:22

[mb1]

TP321 said:

baypond said:

TP321. you do not appear to have initiated a topic, but ambush topics with only negative comments. What cars do you own or aspire to? What criteria do you value most when judging a car? You seem to have more of a Bias Blind Spot than most of us on here.

Well if you insist Baypond...I only tell it as it is. If people wish to believe that the 570 is the best thing since sliced bread, then the old saying "a fool and his money are easily parted"! I have heard of 570s specced to £160-£170k - are they mad?? This is supposed to be the cheap McLaren - the Peoples McLaren. The 12C was listed at £169k in 2012. Nearly new Huracans are available for £175k - V10 normally aspirated, a noise to die for, and drop gorgeous looks. People have the wrong priorities when buying road cars - lap times don't matter - you don't have the balls or the skill to have it going sideways..(yes that carbon tub will mean nothing to you mate ). Its just a A-B machine which after a few years you will get bored and want to move it on for another.

And here lies the problem....you wont be able to because no one will bid you anything for it. Even Webuyanycar wont take it off you - go on, go on their site and see if you can get a quote as you can with Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, ...They will buy a TVR or a SSANGYONG (FFS) but not touch a McLaren....I wonder why that is?

I want to buy a car, drive and enjoy it, and after a year or two, i want to move on. Happy to lose £15-25K, but not £50k..

I guess that answers your queries Baypond.........

[mattf93]

mb1 said:

I guess that answers your queries Baypond.........

I think that answers none of the proposed questions. Merely that he is reiterating about Values - you sure its not rambo lambos cousin? Also keeps rubbishing Mclaren.

Yes of course Mclaren cannot enjoy the brand integrity/value of Ferrari (and therefore the slower depreciation) - 650s haven't suddenly lost £50k? and Mentioning a 12c started at £169k - Most were 190-200k or more specced. A different car. How is that relevant to the 570s as it isn't in production. I personally like the 12c - not everyone else does!

What some people look for are clearly different to what TP wants. But some people have had Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche etc and wants something new and different - to call someone a fool because they want a bit of something new (and lets not forget BRITISH) is quite frankly absurd (TP Im talking to you!). You can rave on about the huracan having a v10 - the 488 has a turbo too whether you like that or not it will still appeal to a great deal of people.

The fact of the matter is 'each to their own' applies here, its other peoples money and I'm sure they've calculated depreciation and so on if they have £150-£200k to spend on a toy - they're not going to be stupid people. It is their money their choice, their opinion - not yours so show some people a little courtesy - manners don't cost anything.

I know this is PH and I'm all for healthy discussion, but personal derogatory comments are unnecessary.

[TP321]

mattf93 said:

650s haven't suddenly lost £50k?

Of course they have. A normal spec 650s Spider is £240k. I see loads for sale for £175k-190k. That equals £50-65k loss just on sticker price. The owner will get £15k less than that. So anyone buying new and paying list will end up losing £65-80k in a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry but only a fool walks into that knowingly.

A friend of mine was offered £90k for his 2012 12C as px only a month ago. The Trade just doesn't like these. I see nothing changing with the 570s especially if they flood the market, which is what their game plan with this car is.

You might not like what i say, if you a Mclaren fan (which i am by the way), or a 570s depositor, but i speak from experience.

And one last thing...whilst you wait patiently for your car that may be months away, your dealer will be selling and changing his "demonstrator" every week..

[The Italian]

Br D
Thank you.
I am a lurker, planning to buy in 2016, a Mac.
Every friend that has owned a "super car" has either broke even (not really) or lost money. All of them are successful people, so you are correct, they are not stupid.
It's not an investment, it's a car you have fun with, you deserve it for all the work you have logged-in and screw all the negatives, you want it.
We have all spent many years counting coins, now it's time to use those dollars or Euros-we like cars, and accounting is no place for enjoyment.
My close friend is an audiophile, he has enough money in his gear to buy a super car of his own, if he were to sell off his goods, he couldn't wipe his arse with the monetary recovery,
it's all in what you enjoy. My close friend died last year, suddenly and I am very happy he bought all that st.

[mb1]

mattf93 said:

I think that answers none of the proposed questions. Merely that he is reiterating about Values - you sure its not rambo lambos cousin? Also keeps rubbishing Mclaren.

Yes of course Mclaren cannot enjoy the brand integrity/value of Ferrari (and therefore the slower depreciation) - 650s haven't suddenly lost £50k? and Mentioning a 12c started at £169k - Most were 190-200k or more specced. A different car. How is that relevant to the 570s as it isn't in production. I personally like the 12c - not everyone else does!

What some people look for are clearly different to what TP wants. But some people have had Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche etc and wants something new and different - to call someone a fool because they want a bit of something new (and lets not forget BRITISH) is quite frankly absurd (TP Im talking to you!). You can rave on about the huracan having a v10 - the 488 has a turbo too whether you like that or not it will still appeal to a great deal of people.

The fact of the matter is 'each to their own' applies here, its other peoples money and I'm sure they've calculated depreciation and so on if they have £150-£200k to spend on a toy - they're not going to be stupid people. It is their money their choice, their opinion - not yours so show some people a little courtesy - manners don't cost anything.

I know this is PH and I'm all for healthy discussion, but personal derogatory comments are unnecessary.

Matt, that was an ironic comment... Whatever the thread, the query or the subject, one user seems on a mission to take down McLaren for no good reason whatsoever... I guess we needed RamboLambo dark matter to balance the forum

[ferdi p]

TP321 said:

Well if you insist Baypond...I only tell it as it is. If people wish to believe that the 570 is the best thing since sliced bread, then the old saying "a fool and his money are easily parted"! I have heard of 570s specced to £160-£170k - are they mad?? This is supposed to be the cheap McLaren - the Peoples McLaren. The 12C was listed at £169k in 2012. Nearly new Huracans are available for £175k - V10 normally aspirated, a noise to die for, and drop gorgeous looks. People have the wrong priorities when buying road cars - lap times don't matter - you don't have the balls or the skill to have it going sideways..(yes that carbon tub will mean nothing to you mate ). Its just a A-B machine which after a few years you will get bored and want to move it on for another.

And here lies the problem....you wont be able to because no one will bid you anything for it. Even Webuyanycar wont take it off you - go on, go on their site and see if you can get a quote as you can with Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, ...They will buy a TVR or a SSANGYONG (FFS) but not touch a McLaren....I wonder why that is?

I want to buy a car, drive and enjoy it, and after a year or two, i want to move on. Happy to lose £15-25K, but not £50k..

Edited by TP321 on Wednesday 11th November 23:04

Edited by TP321 on Wednesday 11th November 23:22

Recently sold my 12C Spider, loved it...

Bought for 144k in December 2014, sold for 142k, so after fee's & 1 service, I've done 5.5k, not cheap but not too bad for supercar ownership. Well you cant hire one for £500pcm I suppose!!

Car was superb & I certainly didnt lose the sort of figures you mention!

& lets be honest, very few people paid anything like 240/250k for a new 650

[Streetrod]

So TP321, you appear to know the inner workings of the McLaren machine and are privy to their future marketing strategy. As an obvious expert on these matters and assuming that anyone buying a new car and expecting it to hold its value is an idiot, how would you advise the McLaren board move forward?

From my perspective I see a brand new company that has entered into what has to be one of the most difficult markets to crack only four years ago and has managed to become profitable within two years. After a couple of a shaky moments they are now producing world class cars, are mentioned in the same breath as the established brands that have all been around for at least 40 years, and with the 570S have produced a car that has garnered universal acclaim from all those that have driven it with current deposits sitting at over 1000 at the moment.

So I ask again, where have they gone wrong and why would I be a fool to buy one?

Edited by Streetrod on Thursday 12th November 11:50

[TISPKJ]

ferdi p said:

& lets be honest, very few people paid anything like 240/250k for a new 650

Possibly not, but for the ones that did and now looking to sell or change the offers being offered on a new 650 make selling an additional residual kick in the gonads !

imagine lets say 12 months down the line after waiting for your £140/160k 570 that Mclaren struggle to sell as many as they thought and start to offer at say either 120 basic (unlikely) or fully optioned at £140 ..... you would be pretty miffed to say the least.

[TP321]

ferdi p said:

Recently sold my 12C Spider, loved it...

Bought for 144k in December 2014, sold for 142k, so after fee's & 1 service, I've done 5.5k, not cheap but not too bad for supercar ownership. Well you cant hire one for £500pcm I suppose!!

Car was superb & I certainly didnt lose the sort of figures you mention!

& lets be honest, very few people paid anything like 240/250k for a new 650

Well done - You bought a heavily discounted (summer)product in the Winter and sold it 6 months later in the summer with minimal depreciation. That is the way to do it with a Mclaren car.

Now go and repeat that with a new 570s paying £160k with some spec.....

You only have managed to prove my point - crap residuals will inevitably kill off new car sales at the LIST price.

How will all those 570s depositors feel if in 6 months time, discounts of £30k are being handed out on a new 570s?

I am not saying the product is at fault - but the marketing is, as is the volumes. Their brand recognition is too low to support 4000 annual units.

At least price the cars at the level that dealers are selling them - i.e price the 650s at £200k with spec not £245k.

[TP321]

Streetrod said:

From my perspective I see a brand new company that has entered into what has to be one of the most difficult markets to crack only four years ago and has managed to become profitable within two years. After a couple of a shaky moments they are now producing world class cars, are mentioned in the same breath as the established brands that have all been around for at least 40 years, and with the 570S have produced a car that has garnered universal acclaim from all those that have driven it with current deposits sitting at over 1000 at the moment.

So I ask again, where have they gone wrong and why would I be a fool to buy one?

Edited by Streetrod on Thursday 12th November 11:50

Buy one if you have happy to lose £50k in the first year. This wont happen with the 911 Turbo or the R8.

But if you must have those doors and the Huracan front end look......

[TP321]

TISPKJ said:

Possibly not, but for the ones that did and now looking to sell or change the offers being offered on a new 650 make selling an additional residual kick in the gonads !

imagine lets say 12 months down the line after waiting for your £140/160k 570 that Mclaren struggle to sell as many as they thought and start to offer at say either 120 basic (unlikely) or fully optioned at £140 ..... you would be pretty miffed to say the least.

This is exactly what will happen - its been happening since summer 2012. The iniitial depositors of the "new" model are all kept waiting, the cars will surge on to the market all at once, and in 6 months time from first deliveries expect to see the discounts. This will be repeated with every 540/570 variant - GT, Spider etc..

[mb1]

Did 1/2h of driving this morning in my 12C. Like every morning and evening. I am still smiling
20,500 miles of pure joy in total.

Joy has no cost.

Yes, McLaren might depreciate a bit more, and even if there are, it is not as much as you might have convinced yourself, but it is well worth it. When you can afford it, which when you buy a car like that you can.

You can keep trying to bring your clouds around here. At the end of the day, we are the ones driving one of the best cars ever made and having a laugh.

[mb1]

Why don't we go back to some more constructive discussions.

Who on here is getting their 570 first ?

[ferdi p]

TISPKJ said:

ferdi p said:

& lets be honest, very few people paid anything like 240/250k for a new 650

Possibly not, but for the ones that did and now looking to sell or change the offers being offered on a new 650 make selling an additional residual kick in the gonads !

imagine lets say 12 months down the line after waiting for your £140/160k 570 that Mclaren struggle to sell as many as they thought and start to offer at say either 120 basic (unlikely) or fully optioned at £140 ..... you would be pretty miffed to say the least.

But you could say the same for many 'high end' non limited production cars, if you wanna have one of the 1st few cars, then your taking a risk that best you can afford!!

See what Ferrari offer you for a 6/12 month old F12

& try the same with a big AMG Merc, Roller, etc etc...

It's not exclusive to McLaren!!