Anyone have an outlook for old Sports Series range?
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Pflanzgarten said:
There's always owners saying the same as what you've just posted though Sarnie 
I had a good look round the orange Glasgow car last week and it is both mint, and stunning to my eyes. Maybe the yellow one at Imperials is dog rough but it looks bloody nice in the photos and the spec is great.
So two lovely Spiders at £99k and £106k at dealers, what's wrong with that?
Go for it! Send pics when brought.I had a good look round the orange Glasgow car last week and it is both mint, and stunning to my eyes. Maybe the yellow one at Imperials is dog rough but it looks bloody nice in the photos and the spec is great.
So two lovely Spiders at £99k and £106k at dealers, what's wrong with that?
macdeb said:
You get what you pay for, if it's cheap it's usually for a reason... ...
I could have saved myself a lot of hassle and dissapointment had I considered this old adage, and thought a bit more carefully why a 570s seemed like such good value before I purchased one last year.I purchased at the top end of the 570s spider market from an approved dealer thinking it would assure me a good quality car, unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong. I owned it for just under a year and it was constantly going back on a flatbed, always something related to electrics / electronics that would render it undriveable. In the end I lost confidence in it, not wanting to drive it anywhere, I sold it back to dealer. Absolutely incredible to drive when it worked though it must be said.
Everyone I spoke to at the dealership was completely unsurprised by the constant faults, it felt very much like this is just the way it is.
They are just such a tempting prospect, even now I find myself looking at the 720s and thinking "maybe this one would be different".
l0hn said:
macdeb said:
You get what you pay for, if it's cheap it's usually for a reason... ...
I could have saved myself a lot of hassle and dissapointment had I considered this old adage, and thought a bit more carefully why a 570s seemed like such good value before I purchased one last year.I purchased at the top end of the 570s spider market from an approved dealer thinking it would assure me a good quality car, unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong. I owned it for just under a year and it was constantly going back on a flatbed, always something related to electrics / electronics that would render it undriveable. In the end I lost confidence in it, not wanting to drive it anywhere, I sold it back to dealer. Absolutely incredible to drive when it worked though it must be said.
Everyone I spoke to at the dealership was completely unsurprised by the constant faults, it felt very much like this is just the way it is.
They are just such a tempting prospect, even now I find myself looking at the 720s and thinking "maybe this one would be different".
l0hn said:
I could have saved myself a lot of hassle and dissapointment had I considered this old adage, and thought a bit more carefully why a 570s seemed like such good value before I purchased one last year.
I purchased at the top end of the 570s spider market from an approved dealer thinking it would assure me a good quality car, unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong. I owned it for just under a year and it was constantly going back on a flatbed, always something related to electrics / electronics that would render it undriveable. In the end I lost confidence in it, not wanting to drive it anywhere, I sold it back to dealer. Absolutely incredible to drive when it worked though it must be said.
Everyone I spoke to at the dealership was completely unsurprised by the constant faults, it felt very much like this is just the way it is.
They are just such a tempting prospect, even now I find myself looking at the 720s and thinking "maybe this one would be different".
That sounds particularly bad surely you had grounds to reject the car which you can do up to six months after purchasing from any dealer? I purchased at the top end of the 570s spider market from an approved dealer thinking it would assure me a good quality car, unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong. I owned it for just under a year and it was constantly going back on a flatbed, always something related to electrics / electronics that would render it undriveable. In the end I lost confidence in it, not wanting to drive it anywhere, I sold it back to dealer. Absolutely incredible to drive when it worked though it must be said.
Everyone I spoke to at the dealership was completely unsurprised by the constant faults, it felt very much like this is just the way it is.
They are just such a tempting prospect, even now I find myself looking at the 720s and thinking "maybe this one would be different".
l0hn said:
I could have saved myself a lot of hassle and dissapointment had I considered this old adage, and thought a bit more carefully why a 570s seemed like such good value before I purchased one last year.
I purchased at the top end of the 570s spider market from an approved dealer thinking it would assure me a good quality car, unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong. I owned it for just under a year and it was constantly going back on a flatbed, always something related to electrics / electronics that would render it undriveable. In the end I lost confidence in it, not wanting to drive it anywhere, I sold it back to dealer. Absolutely incredible to drive when it worked though it must be said.
Everyone I spoke to at the dealership was completely unsurprised by the constant faults, it felt very much like this is just the way it is.
They are just such a tempting prospect, even now I find myself looking at the 720s and thinking "maybe this one would be different".
Sports series car are built to a budget and renowned for electrical issues sadly.I purchased at the top end of the 570s spider market from an approved dealer thinking it would assure me a good quality car, unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong. I owned it for just under a year and it was constantly going back on a flatbed, always something related to electrics / electronics that would render it undriveable. In the end I lost confidence in it, not wanting to drive it anywhere, I sold it back to dealer. Absolutely incredible to drive when it worked though it must be said.
Everyone I spoke to at the dealership was completely unsurprised by the constant faults, it felt very much like this is just the way it is.
They are just such a tempting prospect, even now I find myself looking at the 720s and thinking "maybe this one would be different".
Some might be better than others but they all seem to have small niggles.
Might not be catastrophic but its still bl00dy annoying.
I only had key not recognised and window dropping issues but needless to say after a year I px'd it for a 2020 720S which was much better
fridaypassion said:
600LT is the darling of the range. We barely get any issues with them. In 13 months I've managed to get a slight heat shield rattle that the dealer couldn't even find. That's it.
Ditto, so far so good, only dealer visits have been for known issues and at my discretion, so door hinges and an undertray rattle, both done as promised with exceptional service. The 600 so far is proving to be a dream.I think attempts to say that one model is more reliable than another are largely the human tendency to try to see patterns in randomness, based on sample sizes too small to draw valid conclusions from.
Part of the nature of poor quality seems to be that some cars are much more satisfactory than others, even the same model built in the same year. FWIW my 570GT has been good so far with zero electrical issues (touch wood!). I had a problem with the rear hatch not shutting, but V Engineering did a quick fettle of the latch when it was in for service and that was that.
Obviously if you have a bad car with repeated issues despite multiple dealer visits that's incredibly frustrating and demoralising, and quickly puts someone into the camp of ex-McLaren owners.
I think the biggest thing is how good the mechanics are who service it, good ones can get to the bottom of problems and resolve them, less good ones can turn a simple issue into an ongoing saga.
RSbandit said:
That sounds particularly bad surely you had grounds to reject the car which you can do up to six months after purchasing from any dealer?
In hindsight this is what I should have done. Some naivety on my part not to have cut ties sooner, being my first supercar and the realisation of a life long dream probably clouded my judgement. I just wanted it to work out as it really was incredible when it did work.McLarens have had a bad rep for these reasons
Old Mp4 was their first car and a LOT of those cars had replacement engines and transmissions. Some multiples of both. The ones that are around now should have calmed down a bit but the image did suffer a bit for these issues.
The big one for me I thinks the 720 I think this car has damaged McLaren image more than any other. Very complicated car with lots of issues that are well documented.
The 570 have had their issues but then there are a lot of these so you would logically think that will produce more problems.
I did a lot of research when I was buying and the 600LT is definitely the best car they have made. The only real issues with them are the dreaded door hinges and there are a few that have had transmission changes but in the main they do seem to be just like a normal car really!
Old Mp4 was their first car and a LOT of those cars had replacement engines and transmissions. Some multiples of both. The ones that are around now should have calmed down a bit but the image did suffer a bit for these issues.
The big one for me I thinks the 720 I think this car has damaged McLaren image more than any other. Very complicated car with lots of issues that are well documented.
The 570 have had their issues but then there are a lot of these so you would logically think that will produce more problems.
I did a lot of research when I was buying and the 600LT is definitely the best car they have made. The only real issues with them are the dreaded door hinges and there are a few that have had transmission changes but in the main they do seem to be just like a normal car really!
fridaypassion said:
McLarens have had a bad rep for these reasons
Old Mp4 was their first car and a LOT of those cars had replacement engines and transmissions. Some multiples of both. The ones that are around now should have calmed down a bit but the image did suffer a bit for these issues.
The big one for me I thinks the 720 I think this car has damaged McLaren image more than any other. Very complicated car with lots of issues that are well documented.
The 570 have had their issues but then there are a lot of these so you would logically think that will produce more problems.
I did a lot of research when I was buying and the 600LT is definitely the best car they have made. The only real issues with them are the dreaded door hinges and there are a few that have had transmission changes but in the main they do seem to be just like a normal car really!
Don’t the 600lt have a recall on them?Old Mp4 was their first car and a LOT of those cars had replacement engines and transmissions. Some multiples of both. The ones that are around now should have calmed down a bit but the image did suffer a bit for these issues.
The big one for me I thinks the 720 I think this car has damaged McLaren image more than any other. Very complicated car with lots of issues that are well documented.
The 570 have had their issues but then there are a lot of these so you would logically think that will produce more problems.
I did a lot of research when I was buying and the 600LT is definitely the best car they have made. The only real issues with them are the dreaded door hinges and there are a few that have had transmission changes but in the main they do seem to be just like a normal car really!
Pflanzgarten said:
Aren’t a lot of the super series woes simply corrosion and paint related?
McLaren could solve most of that in a stroke by releasing the paint codes which they illegally keep out of the aftermarket’s hands.
A bit odd to associate the corrosion issues with super series. Yes, they can / do suffer from it - but it happens on the aluminium panels. Super series have some aluminium panels but a lot of the car is composite. Sports series are entirely aluminium so if anything it's a bigger issue on them.McLaren could solve most of that in a stroke by releasing the paint codes which they illegally keep out of the aftermarket’s hands.
Pflanzgarten said:
Aren’t a lot of the super series woes simply corrosion and paint related?
McLaren could solve most of that in a stroke by releasing the paint codes which they illegally keep out of the aftermarket’s hands.
Paint codes are available, but it’s only half the story.McLaren could solve most of that in a stroke by releasing the paint codes which they illegally keep out of the aftermarket’s hands.
I have them, but getting the mix, then for example the type and amount of pearl in a 3 stage elite paint is a mildly more complicated process
davek_964 said:
A bit odd to associate the corrosion issues with super series. Yes, they can / do suffer from it - but it happens on the aluminium panels. Super series have some aluminium panels but a lot of the car is composite. Sports series are entirely aluminium so if anything it's a bigger issue on them.
Hmmmmm, not quiet correct, from Thorney site..Super Series Cars (12c, 650, 675, 720)
The majority of panels on super series cars are composite, on these panels the issue is moisture inside the laminate structure which expands and bubbles up the paint, it can be repaired (digging out the issue, filling and painting) but Mclaren simply replace the panel and repaint.
The sports series cars (540, 570, 600, GT) have more aluminum panels and here the issue is that the surface was not properly treated before painting so over time the bubble pops up, again its not the paint as such but the material underneath. Again, these can be repaired (strip down and paint) but Mclaren again simply replace the panel and repaint.
Not sure Mclaren are still replacing panels as much as they used to..
fridaypassion said:
I should have added this to my list.
Why are McLaren incapable of painting a car!? And they changed the terms of the warranty restricting the cover given on this aluminum painting thing. Not good PR you hear of arches going on 458s but only when they are old not a year old!
Yeah my 2014 458 rear drivers side arch went bad in 2021 so 7 years and about 24,000 miles driven year round. The other arches are OK but I now also avoid Winter driving.Why are McLaren incapable of painting a car!? And they changed the terms of the warranty restricting the cover given on this aluminum painting thing. Not good PR you hear of arches going on 458s but only when they are old not a year old!
My 600 LT has some corrosion but happy to leave it in hope more appears to blag a full respray and all fresh PPF.
Its also not the first time as panels have been changed before for corrosion, car is a 2020 and just over 15,000 miles now.
I love my 600 LT though, they are not worse than other brands, owners are just more vocal with it been a younger brand, my 458 has had more issues and actual failures requiring recovers, so far so good with the Mclaren.
Porsches have had many models with chocolate engines and engines going pop, so considering how young Mclaren is a road car brand I'd say they are pretty decent, the real evidence will be when the cars are 20+ years old and how they are fairing.
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