McLaren 570S or GT?
Discussion
jonah35 said:
S for me
But beware of residuals compared to a huracan or Ferrari for example
Imho Mclaren are building far too quickly and need to slow down
Rolex and Porsche with Gt3s etc have it right, supply a few less than demand to keep buyers interested
If they keep churning out this many people will stop buying as used values drop
Agreed, residuals are bit of a concern but I'm hoping the depreciation curve is flattening after 12-18 months. It seems as though a nice 2017 570S that listed at around £170/£175k can be picked up for £140k today and a similar early 2016 car is £130k. I can live with £10k PA depreciation but £30K+ PA would give me restless nights. But beware of residuals compared to a huracan or Ferrari for example
Imho Mclaren are building far too quickly and need to slow down
Rolex and Porsche with Gt3s etc have it right, supply a few less than demand to keep buyers interested
If they keep churning out this many people will stop buying as used values drop
Huracan was a contender (I owned a Gallardo some time ago and loved the drama) but a hypothetical £140k budget only buys the very earliest 2014 car with 20K+ miles compared with a 2017 Mac with 5K miles. I also struggle to justify the big premium over the R8 V10+ with near identical mechanicals. I'm more of a Lambo than Ferrari man and the 488 is right out of budget. Although I could get into a 458 it would be an early car with little or no warranty left and they are mileage sensitive. Plus the Mac is streets ahead in terms of tech and usability.
But granted, it's likely that total cost of ownership would be less with the Italians. If only for crystal balls...
OP, don't think the 'S' is some kind of rock-hard compromised track weapon which is going to break your spine on normal roads. The 'S' in 'normal' settings is a really compliant ride and covers long distances effortlessly. We did a run down to Waterford in Southern Ireland from Newcastle in March without any difficulty or discomfort, fully loaded including soft bags on the (surprisingly useful) parcel shelf. Ditto for Le Mans last year.
Whether you prefer the looks of the GT or the S is subjective. Some people think the rear of the S is fussy, although I like the flying buttress and 'Dino' like concave rear screen for that little extra drama.
My thoughts (hopes) on residuals, the 570 will drop in value much more than a GT Porsche or anything from Ferrari, however I'm working on the basis that it's depreciation curve will be similar to it's main rivals from Audi (the R8 V10) and the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Whether you prefer the looks of the GT or the S is subjective. Some people think the rear of the S is fussy, although I like the flying buttress and 'Dino' like concave rear screen for that little extra drama.
My thoughts (hopes) on residuals, the 570 will drop in value much more than a GT Porsche or anything from Ferrari, however I'm working on the basis that it's depreciation curve will be similar to it's main rivals from Audi (the R8 V10) and the Porsche 911 Turbo.
Dazmo said:
Targarama said:
They are both awesome. I have a GT with a Larini exhaust which looks and sounds the best. Mine was bought for regular use, not just track days and weekends, and the GT meets my needs perfectly.
Buy whichever you prefer, it sounds like you’re already looking at cars which have sufferered their first big drop in value anyway. Get as much warranty as possible, while mine has had no problems I think this is wise to have.
Thanks Targarama. Any warranty issues upgrading the exhaust? If not, I would probably be tempted.Buy whichever you prefer, it sounds like you’re already looking at cars which have sufferered their first big drop in value anyway. Get as much warranty as possible, while mine has had no problems I think this is wise to have.
I'm looking at cars 12-18 months old, so with a reasonable amount of warranty remaining. I gather it's possible to extend the warranty for £3500 PA. Not cheap, but probably worth it, especially with no independent specialist dealers to help take some of the financial pain out of longer-term ownership like Ferrari, Porsche etc.
After many years of TVRs I fancied something a bit more useable, and the GT just looks so much better in my eyes. Check out Chris Harris's Youtube video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63HFjBi0oAQ ), he prefers it too. Unless you're only using the car for sunny weekend blasts or trackdays it makes more sense IMHO. But I fully get why people go for a S, or a GT3, or a Lotus Exige etc. The world would be boring if we all drove the same car!
OP I have driven 570S / GT & 12C all on the same roads one after another and there is a noticeable difference. The 570 feels very alive and very quick. I have also driven on track where it felt ballistic. They are very, very special cars. In comparison the fist thing I noticed about the GT was the slower steering, just a couple of percent but i felt it. The gearbox was also not as crsip or eager. The S is just 5-10% sharper than the GT on all inputs. Strangely I felt little difference with suspension.
I prefer the look of the GT but the S drives better. I have also driven a GT for 500 miles and in isolation it was amazing but in my mind was the nagging feeling that the 570S would be better.
And that was the dilema, the S drives better and the GT looks better so I didn't get either. Instead I stuck with the 12C which in a direct comparison was even faster at the upper rev range but lost out in driving fun below 50 mph. The 12C more luggace capacity than both and has the trick aero. It only loses out at low speed fun where the S is better.
However I also drove the GT a 3rd time in torrential rain and it must have been the softer settings but it was very planted and secure, possibly the best car I have ever driven in the rain, I got a lot of confidence from it.
I have now sold my 12C and purchased a Lotus Exige 350. I just fancied a manual box fro a while. When I have finished with the Exige i will get another Mac but which one is the toughest decison. 570S for fun, GT for the glass roof, 12C for amazing value. If I up the budget and its 675 v 720, a whole other argument. Not forgetting the best all round McLaren ever made, the 650S which drives superbly, as well as a 570 but quicker and also the most 'resolved' Mac in terms of possible issues. The 650S has much fewer faults than any other Mac and is probably fastest on a 'normal' uk road.
I prefer the look of the GT but the S drives better. I have also driven a GT for 500 miles and in isolation it was amazing but in my mind was the nagging feeling that the 570S would be better.
And that was the dilema, the S drives better and the GT looks better so I didn't get either. Instead I stuck with the 12C which in a direct comparison was even faster at the upper rev range but lost out in driving fun below 50 mph. The 12C more luggace capacity than both and has the trick aero. It only loses out at low speed fun where the S is better.
However I also drove the GT a 3rd time in torrential rain and it must have been the softer settings but it was very planted and secure, possibly the best car I have ever driven in the rain, I got a lot of confidence from it.
I have now sold my 12C and purchased a Lotus Exige 350. I just fancied a manual box fro a while. When I have finished with the Exige i will get another Mac but which one is the toughest decison. 570S for fun, GT for the glass roof, 12C for amazing value. If I up the budget and its 675 v 720, a whole other argument. Not forgetting the best all round McLaren ever made, the 650S which drives superbly, as well as a 570 but quicker and also the most 'resolved' Mac in terms of possible issues. The 650S has much fewer faults than any other Mac and is probably fastest on a 'normal' uk road.
The Surveyor said:
650s with no warranty or 570s with 3 years of free factory waranty, I bought the 570s.
..650S is also available with warranty. Don’t get that decision making argument. Surely you decide on what car you prefer first then sort the bundle it comes with? Rather than choosing the bundle and getting the car that comes with it...Superleg48 said:
The Surveyor said:
650s with no warranty or 570s with 3 years of free factory waranty, I bought the 570s.
..650S is also available with warranty. Don’t get that decision making argument. Surely you decide on what car you prefer first then sort the bundle it comes with? Rather than choosing the bundle and getting the car that comes with it...Yes, you can get the £5k factory warranty added to the 650s but that doesn't mean the warranty is free does it.
And also yes, some people may prefer the 650s and for the same money you are buying a slightly faster car which is however slightly older, slightly more complicated, slightly less developed, and slightly more expensive to maintain.
I did have a newer 570S coupe alongside my 650S spider for 9 months but when one had to go there was no hesitation between the 2.
Not my words but the missus said the 570S felt cheap and not as sophisticated as the 650S spider ? The extra performance, trick aero and hydraulic suspension etc of the super series over sports series car never entered her mind nor would she know what it does.
At the time the 650S spider was worth more than the 570S and despite being 18 months older it was still the better car and better value for me.
A 3 year newer 570S Spider may have been closer but I still think I would chose the 650S spider TBH
A lot of these "used" cars are low mileage and lived pampered lives like my own so stick a personal plate on it and 99% of public think its brand new anyway. The number of times people have come up to me in the 650S spider and said is that a brand new P1 lol
Not my words but the missus said the 570S felt cheap and not as sophisticated as the 650S spider ? The extra performance, trick aero and hydraulic suspension etc of the super series over sports series car never entered her mind nor would she know what it does.
At the time the 650S spider was worth more than the 570S and despite being 18 months older it was still the better car and better value for me.
A 3 year newer 570S Spider may have been closer but I still think I would chose the 650S spider TBH
A lot of these "used" cars are low mileage and lived pampered lives like my own so stick a personal plate on it and 99% of public think its brand new anyway. The number of times people have come up to me in the 650S spider and said is that a brand new P1 lol
RamboLambo said:
I did have a newer 570S coupe alongside my 650S spider for 9 months but when one had to go there was no hesitation between the 2.
Not my words but the missus said the 570S felt cheap and not as sophisticated as the 650S spider ? The extra performance, trick aero and hydraulic suspension etc of the super series over sports series car never entered her mind nor would she know what it does.
At the time the 650S spider was worth more than the 570S and despite being 18 months older it was still the better car and better value for me.
A 3 year newer 570S Spider may have been closer but I still think I would chose the 650S spider TBH
A lot of these "used" cars are low mileage and lived pampered lives like my own so stick a personal plate on it and 99% of public think its brand new anyway. The number of times people have come up to me in the 650S spider and said is that a brand new P1 lol
Since 99% of people have no idea what a P1 is and those that do would hardly mistake a 650S for one, I'm guessing the answer is once.Not my words but the missus said the 570S felt cheap and not as sophisticated as the 650S spider ? The extra performance, trick aero and hydraulic suspension etc of the super series over sports series car never entered her mind nor would she know what it does.
At the time the 650S spider was worth more than the 570S and despite being 18 months older it was still the better car and better value for me.
A 3 year newer 570S Spider may have been closer but I still think I would chose the 650S spider TBH
A lot of these "used" cars are low mileage and lived pampered lives like my own so stick a personal plate on it and 99% of public think its brand new anyway. The number of times people have come up to me in the 650S spider and said is that a brand new P1 lol
Jules360 said:
RamboLambo said:
I did have a newer 570S coupe alongside my 650S spider for 9 months but when one had to go there was no hesitation between the 2.
Not my words but the missus said the 570S felt cheap and not as sophisticated as the 650S spider ? The extra performance, trick aero and hydraulic suspension etc of the super series over sports series car never entered her mind nor would she know what it does.
At the time the 650S spider was worth more than the 570S and despite being 18 months older it was still the better car and better value for me.
A 3 year newer 570S Spider may have been closer but I still think I would chose the 650S spider TBH
A lot of these "used" cars are low mileage and lived pampered lives like my own so stick a personal plate on it and 99% of public think its brand new anyway. The number of times people have come up to me in the 650S spider and said is that a brand new P1 lol
Since 99% of people have no idea what a P1 is and those that do would hardly mistake a 650S for one, I'm guessing the answer is once.Not my words but the missus said the 570S felt cheap and not as sophisticated as the 650S spider ? The extra performance, trick aero and hydraulic suspension etc of the super series over sports series car never entered her mind nor would she know what it does.
At the time the 650S spider was worth more than the 570S and despite being 18 months older it was still the better car and better value for me.
A 3 year newer 570S Spider may have been closer but I still think I would chose the 650S spider TBH
A lot of these "used" cars are low mileage and lived pampered lives like my own so stick a personal plate on it and 99% of public think its brand new anyway. The number of times people have come up to me in the 650S spider and said is that a brand new P1 lol
I tell them I'm a pauper.
Jules360 said:
Since 99% of people have no idea what a P1 is and those that do would hardly mistake a 650S for one, I'm guessing the answer is once.
Well I hate to inform you are wrong again but if I had a £1 for everytime its happened I could buy all your cars 
.Seriously I think the only car the general public know McLaren make is the P1.
They do not know the range like they would with say a ferrari
I doubt most people would know a Ferrari from a Lamborghini or McLaren. Unless you are a car nut, as we all are, there is very little knowledge or awareness.
However there is awareness of the Ferrari brand and that’s why most non-car people ask “is that a Ferrari”? It’s the one supercar brand that know.
I even used to get asked if my Audi R8 was a new Ferrari.
Nuff said!
However there is awareness of the Ferrari brand and that’s why most non-car people ask “is that a Ferrari”? It’s the one supercar brand that know.
I even used to get asked if my Audi R8 was a new Ferrari.
Nuff said!
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