600LT discounts
Discussion
RamboLambo said:
Speed.deman said:
I really don't understand why anyone responds to this chap? Just ignore him like another sub-forum did. He'll disappear here as he did there.
To be clear, I'm not responding him but just quoting his post as the context to the usual drivel he spouts. He's a fantasist or a troll. Potentially both.
If he replies to this post, I'm simply going to ignore him.
Well if you have nothing g of interest or constructive to add, bye bye thenTo be clear, I'm not responding him but just quoting his post as the context to the usual drivel he spouts. He's a fantasist or a troll. Potentially both.
If he replies to this post, I'm simply going to ignore him.
Jules360 said:
If that's the criteria, bye bye RL
Are you still here Jules ?At least when I leave I will switch off the lights as I will be the last man standing
All the Trolls will be long gone with their ridiculous gearbox and discount comments designed to do no more than wind up genuine posters
RamboLambo said:
Jules360 said:
If that's the criteria, bye bye RL
Are you still here Jules ?At least when I leave I will switch off the lights as I will be the last man standing
All the Trolls will be long gone with their ridiculous gearbox and discount comments designed to do no more than wind up genuine posters
Jules360 said:
So you are saying that McLaren gearboxes never leak and that you cannot get a discount on a new car ?
See exactly once again why you are a wind up merchant.Where have I said anything of the sort ?
You are just a mischievous mis quoting and twisting troll.
Apparently we know at least 4 WORLDWIDE out of 3,500 have had a failed oil seal 0.1%.
We can also see delivery mileage launch edition 720S at below list price but until recently 675LTs were as much as £80k over list price. Only due to McLarens rapid progress and new models combined with the general supercar market slow down have prices dropped.
No doubt 600LT will be epic. The sport series has been highly praised for being more involving so in LT form it's true to be a real winner.
675LT sold out in 2 weeks and demand for the cheaper and possibly better 600LT will be even greater.
If you name ain't down you won't be getting one so discount dreamers needn't apply and are more likely just trolling and attempting to bash the GREAT BRITISH brand ??? I do wonder why at times !
Is it McLaren wannabes or just the Italian propaganda brigade
RamboLambo said:
Jules360 said:
So you are saying that McLaren gearboxes never leak and that you cannot get a discount on a new car ?
See exactly once again why you are a wind up merchant.Where have I said anything of the sort ?
You are just a mischievous mis quoting and twisting troll.
Apparently we know at least 4 WORLDWIDE out of 3,500 have had a failed oil seal 0.1%.
We can also see delivery mileage launch edition 720S at below list price but until recently 675LTs were as much as £80k over list price. Only due to McLarens rapid progress and new models combined with the general supercar market slow down have prices dropped.
No doubt 600LT will be epic. The sport series has been highly praised for being more involving so in LT form it's true to be a real winner.
675LT sold out in 2 weeks and demand for the cheaper and possibly better 600LT will be even greater.
If you name ain't down you won't be getting one so discount dreamers needn't apply and are more likely just trolling and attempting to bash the GREAT BRITISH brand ??? I do wonder why at times !
Is it McLaren wannabes or just the Italian propaganda brigade
RamboLambo said:
See exactly once again why you are a wind up merchant.
Where have I said anything of the sort ?
You are just a mischievous mis quoting and twisting troll.
We can also see delivery mileage launch edition 720S at below list price but until recently 675LTs were as much as £80k over list price. Only due to McLarens rapid progress and new models combined with the general supercar market slow down have prices dropped.
I'm not really up to speed on RL's long term history so have no idea what's gone on much before this thread. However, having had three LTs for various reasons, and sold two of them, I'm pretty much up to speed on what they've been worth since they came out. And its never been 80k over list. i'm pretty loyal to the brand and keep buying them despite taking hits on every one I've owned, but you go into the deals eyes open. You also expect them to bring out a new variant of whatever it is that you've just bought every few days/weeks/months.Where have I said anything of the sort ?
You are just a mischievous mis quoting and twisting troll.
We can also see delivery mileage launch edition 720S at below list price but until recently 675LTs were as much as £80k over list price. Only due to McLarens rapid progress and new models combined with the general supercar market slow down have prices dropped.
The only time I've baulked at buying is when a dealer wouldn't give any discount on a 720s which listed to 280k and gave me the usual bull about it being the last car they could get. Suddenly they found others when I asked for a different colour. Now, prob 8 months later, that same car would be worth less than 200k for a trade bid. So yes McL have made huge progress in tech terms (though I much prefer LT to 720 by the way), but whilst their depreciation isn't helped by the wider slowdown as you say, its a lot worse than others. This is what others are getting at here, and talking your own book might be fun but seems to ignore the realties of the market
The Surveyor said:
Jules360 said:
He's gonna call you a troll .....
Or maybe he's more likely to compliment him on his brand loyalty. Somebody buying McLarens with their eyes open on the future values just reinforces the view to many that they are simply worth it.... maybe!Unless they have a V10 NA engine, which is occasionally the best car in the world also.
Unfortunately I have to make do with my 458, not manual, without capristo. Can't afford a McLaren, i'm told.
What has happened to buying a car because of the aesthetics and the drive of the car? Yes we have all worked hard for our money (some more than others), and we do not want to piss it all away on a car, however, despite all the niggles, the McLaren's are simply the nicest looking super car on the road, oh, and lets not forget they also out perform most other 'super cars'.
Yes McLaren need to control their market a little better to protect us as customers, however, Ferrari owners can stay in their little holes and continue to slag off the McLaren brand, just because they have nothing better to do.. it is probably also because most've them are retired and they are living off their pensions, so they all buy an old Ferrari because 'it is going to hold its money'...… it's amazing how they never mention how the 488's are at below list price?
Yes McLaren need to control their market a little better to protect us as customers, however, Ferrari owners can stay in their little holes and continue to slag off the McLaren brand, just because they have nothing better to do.. it is probably also because most've them are retired and they are living off their pensions, so they all buy an old Ferrari because 'it is going to hold its money'...… it's amazing how they never mention how the 488's are at below list price?
mcl570 said:
What has happened to buying a car because of the aesthetics and the drive of the car? Yes we have all worked hard for our money (some more than others), and we do not want to piss it all away on a car, however, despite all the niggles, the McLaren's are simply the nicest looking super car on the road, oh, and lets not forget they also out perform most other 'super cars'.
Yes McLaren need to control their market a little better to protect us as customers, however, Ferrari owners can stay in their little holes and continue to slag off the McLaren brand, just because they have nothing better to do.. it is probably also because most've them are retired and they are living off their pensions, so they all buy an old Ferrari because 'it is going to hold its money'...… it's amazing how they never mention how the 488's are at below list price?
Why do you McLaren owners feel the need to be so abusive ? I have a Ferrari, but I'm not in a little hole, whatever that means, nor am I retired or give a monkeys about residuals. At the time of buying my first 458, I had my heart set on a 12c. However, after a day in the car and then another day in a 458, I knew which car was for me. And I wouldn't swap it for a 488 either, so i care even less about their residuals. Yes McLaren need to control their market a little better to protect us as customers, however, Ferrari owners can stay in their little holes and continue to slag off the McLaren brand, just because they have nothing better to do.. it is probably also because most've them are retired and they are living off their pensions, so they all buy an old Ferrari because 'it is going to hold its money'...… it's amazing how they never mention how the 488's are at below list price?
Oh, and looks are subjective and performance of either brand "on the road" is irrelevant since they are both too quick to be used legally.
mcl570 said:
What has happened to buying a car because of the aesthetics and the drive of the car? Yes we have all worked hard for our money (some more than others), and we do not want to piss it all away on a car, however, despite all the niggles, the McLaren's are simply the nicest looking super car on the road, oh, and lets not forget they also out perform most other 'super cars'.
Yes McLaren need to control their market a little better to protect us as customers, however, Ferrari owners can stay in their little holes and continue to slag off the McLaren brand, just because they have nothing better to do.. it is probably also because most've them are retired and they are living off their pensions, so they all buy an old Ferrari because 'it is going to hold its money'...… it's amazing how they never mention how the 488's are at below list price?
It surprises me on here that its almost as if you have to hate certain brands if you drive their rivals cars. As a rule I prefer Ferrari's to McLaren, have owned more of the former than the latter so my money is where mouth is, yet it seems almost newsworthy that someone should like them both. Yes McLaren need to control their market a little better to protect us as customers, however, Ferrari owners can stay in their little holes and continue to slag off the McLaren brand, just because they have nothing better to do.. it is probably also because most've them are retired and they are living off their pensions, so they all buy an old Ferrari because 'it is going to hold its money'...… it's amazing how they never mention how the 488's are at below list price?
Some commentators make me laugh at times by describing which cars have more "emotion" as though one expects to see a Ferrari actually shedding tears because its Italian and therefore must be passionate. What total bs. Like everything in life cars mean different things to different people. Some buy convertibles because they like to be seen posing around in them. Some spec cars without air con because it saves seventeen grammes of weight and therefore means they think they'll lap a nanosecond faster. Some spec ceramic brakes because they need them for the circuit, others like the yellow callipers (obviously thinking Porsche here) and the fact that it represents PCCB not standard brakes. Some of that makes me laugh, but each to their own.
Its easy to lose money on Ferrari's, ok maybe not as easy as it is on McLaren's but anyone who has run production V12 cars knows they're letting themselves in for a hammering when they come to sell. When I tried to sell my early FF the challenge was finding a dealer who would bid me on it - ended up doing a deal with a great little dealership in Exeter who I'd never dealt with until then. So why do people take huge offence when other point out that McLaren's are depreciation heavy too? When I tried to sell my first 12c there wasn't a dealer who would touch it, so it went to the independents who had the balls to do the deal.
Ferrari however also have these halo limited edition models which have become like the manufacturer giving the buyer a cheque when the car is new. No one (sane) is going to turn their nose up at that, and equally its bound to lead to fights for allocations (a Ferrari DP recently told me he'd been physically threatened unless he allocated a Pista to a certain punter). Its insane.
I think McLaren have come a long way from early 12C's (my first car went back god knows how many times to MTC), but expecting them to compete for brand value with Ferrari is unrealistic. Their halo car remains the F1. P1 is such an illiquid market its hard to know what the values really are, but having tried to buy one fairly recently it seems to me as though they're within 10/15% of list. That's incomparable to the 100% overs that a LaFerrari commands.
They're both superb cars in their own ways though. I love the LT. Do I prefer it to the Speciale? Probably, but its so close as not to matter. I preferred 12c to 458 at the time, so I'm pretty inconsistent anyway, and I'm not arrogant enough to think my driving can get anywhere near the limits of any of these things anyway. That's where I disagree with some of the posts from RLambo I've seen - seems to be his way or car oblivion. As it happens I've never owned a Lambo, don't really like them, but neither do I think all the owners are idiots for choosing them. Apart from Rambo Lambo obviously (JOKE before anyone takes offence).
Jules360 said:
If that's the criteria, bye bye RL
I promise you, he just stopped this nonsense when he got the silent treatment. You cannot have a reasonable discussion with someone who does not have an open mind. You're just wasting time. It is such posts that has reduced the quality of PH to the point that many long term and helpful posters have just stopped contributing.Jules360 said:
Why do you McLaren owners feel the need to be so abusive ? I have a Ferrari, but I'm not in a little hole, whatever that means, nor am I retired or give a monkeys about residuals. At the time of buying my first 458, I had my heart set on a 12c. However, after a day in the car and then another day in a 458, I knew which car was for me. And I wouldn't swap it for a 488 either, so i care even less about their residuals.
Oh, and looks are subjective and performance of either brand "on the road" is irrelevant since they are both too quick to be used legally.
Pure comedy gold from the most abusive brand bashing troll out there lol.Oh, and looks are subjective and performance of either brand "on the road" is irrelevant since they are both too quick to be used legally.
All you ever do is slag off McLaren and we all get you don't like them cud you have an old 458.
McLarens are reserved for those who appreciate and can afford the finer things in life with not stressing about it's value if you drive it.
My advice is stick to your Ferrari and let others enjoy their McLarens in peace.
I'm not constantly belittling and criticising the 458 although I could easily do so if I wanted.
You like Ferraris full stop whilst I appreciate the best of all Ferraris Lamborghini and McLarens when merited
Edited by RamboLambo on Wednesday 4th July 14:38
RamboLambo said:
Pure comedy gold from the most abusive brand bashing troll out there lol.
All you ever do is am at off McLaren and we all get you don't like them cud you have an old 458.
McLarens are reserved for those who appreciate and can afford the finer things in life with not stressing about it's value if you drive it.
My advice is stick to your Ferrari and let others enjoy their McLarens in peace.
I'm not constantly belittling and criticising the 458 although I could easily do so if I wanted.
You like Ferraris full stop whilst I appreciate the best of all Ferraris Lamborghini and McLarens when merited
Show me a post where i'm bashing McLaren. I like them, they look good, but I just don't want one. I could point to your endless links to articles/youtubes supposingly proving the 650 is better than the 458./488, but I really can't be bothered.All you ever do is am at off McLaren and we all get you don't like them cud you have an old 458.
McLarens are reserved for those who appreciate and can afford the finer things in life with not stressing about it's value if you drive it.
My advice is stick to your Ferrari and let others enjoy their McLarens in peace.
I'm not constantly belittling and criticising the 458 although I could easily do so if I wanted.
You like Ferraris full stop whilst I appreciate the best of all Ferraris Lamborghini and McLarens when merited
And I wasn't aware McLarens were reserved for anyone. . But perhaps that's part of your delusion of grandeur.
Keep making a fool of yourself old son, you never fail to make me cringe.
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